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This EVE Online Trailer Will Make You Want to Play EVE Online

It's not exactly representative of what it's like to actually play the game, but it definitely evokes the spirit of players' insane adventures.

Apr. 30 2013

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I remember a trailer like this making me want to play EVE years ago, so I tried it out (it was some free trial thing or whatever). Yeah... I was literally so confused I actually felt a weight off my shoulders when I turned it off.

I'd rather hear or read awesome stories about EVE than actually play it.

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I should not have watched that...sigh...sign me up

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Not gonna lie, every Eve trailer makes me want to play Eve. I did for a while, but I wasn't able to give it the time I needed to give it in order to get into it as deep as I wanted to.

I may not play it anymore, but I love the stories that come from it, and I love that it exists. I mean, any game in which players can form a corporation that espouses the ideas of Ayn Rand is pretty cool, right?

Only if they can go to war with a rabidly-Marxist organisation and finally settle this bickering once and for all.

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CCP sure knows how to make a trailer.

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That trailer is almost as bad as Dead Island's was.

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I stopped playing about half a decade ago. Seeing these trailers always makes me want to go back, but I know the gameplay is dull and tedious.

Looking at the expansions history I realize it has been 10 expansions since I played. I had such a bad ass ship and skills, but by now I guess that isn't even very good anymore.

A lot has happened since that trailer. Back then it was still running Directx 8. I remember that Exedus was when I really got into the game even if I had played before.

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I don't want to pay monthly fee for a game. Plus I don't have the time for Eve.

Otherwise I'd be all over this.

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@development said:

Too bad the whole "consiousness transferred upon body-death" thing wouldn't actually work. They'd be making copies and killing themselves; not living forever. And they'd be none the wiser. What a terrible existence.

I'm not sure about the none the wiser part. They wouldn't be the same continuous existence - the old clone could definitely die, but I don't see why the previous clones experiences couldn't be integrated into the next one's, making it "wiser", and possibly also think it is the same person as the previous entity - thus the latest clone in the chain would feel like it's been living forever, having the sum of all the knowledge and memories acquired by the clones before it. It would probably be achieved better by continuously storing that stuff in a machine, rather than trying to transfer it at the moment of death though, since there are bound to be numerous things, such as irreparable damage to the previous host's brain, that could cause problems if you haven't made preparations and backups beforehand.

Ultimately it would be the same issue as with teleporters - the previous entity could very well be terminated, and the new one may think it is the same continuous mind, but to an outside observer it would be a copy with the experiences of the old self, not the same entity. It's not even necessary to kill the previous host, since there isn't (and likely won't ever be) a way to transfer consciousness - just make a copy, after which you have two minds thinking they both are the same person.

Yeah that's what I was saying. They'd be none the wiser. Anyone familiar with how data is transferred understands how it would never work. When you move your porn from your laptop to your external hard drive you're not actually "moving" it; you're copying then deleting it. The original is maintained until the "transfer" is complete, and then it's deleted. That's why it would be terrifying if this entire civilization was built upon this.

It's also a trivial issue unless you attribute some supernatural significance to death. Really, as far as experience is concerned, death and unconsciousness are pretty much the same thing. If your complete mind-state is flawlessly backed up and transferred, the essence of who you are becomes immortal. The fact that one instance ceases is irrelevant provided the new one picks up where the other left off.

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@development said:

@fisk0 said:

@development said:

Too bad the whole "consiousness transferred upon body-death" thing wouldn't actually work. They'd be making copies and killing themselves; not living forever. And they'd be none the wiser. What a terrible existence.

I'm not sure about the none the wiser part. They wouldn't be the same continuous existence - the old clone could definitely die, but I don't see why the previous clones experiences couldn't be integrated into the next one's, making it "wiser", and possibly also think it is the same person as the previous entity - thus the latest clone in the chain would feel like it's been living forever, having the sum of all the knowledge and memories acquired by the clones before it. It would probably be achieved better by continuously storing that stuff in a machine, rather than trying to transfer it at the moment of death though, since there are bound to be numerous things, such as irreparable damage to the previous host's brain, that could cause problems if you haven't made preparations and backups beforehand.

Ultimately it would be the same issue as with teleporters - the previous entity could very well be terminated, and the new one may think it is the same continuous mind, but to an outside observer it would be a copy with the experiences of the old self, not the same entity. It's not even necessary to kill the previous host, since there isn't (and likely won't ever be) a way to transfer consciousness - just make a copy, after which you have two minds thinking they both are the same person.

Yeah that's what I was saying. They'd be none the wiser. Anyone familiar with how data is transferred understands how it would never work. When you move your porn from your laptop to your external hard drive you're not actually "moving" it; you're copying then deleting it. The original is maintained until the "transfer" is complete, and then it's deleted. That's why it would be terrifying if this entire civilization was built upon this.

It's also a trivial issue unless you attribute some supernatural significance to death. Really, as far as experience is concerned, death and unconsciousness are pretty much the same thing. If your complete mind-state is flawlessly backed up and transferred, the essence of who you are becomes immortal. The fact that one instance ceases is irrelevant provided the new one picks up where the other left off.

Are you speaking from the perspective of a robot or something? You realize if that was you, you'd be dead, right? You wouldn't live all those lives. That's like saying "my twin died, but it's okay because I'm still here."

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@pixeldemon said:

@development said:

@fisk0 said:

@development said:

Too bad the whole "consiousness transferred upon body-death" thing wouldn't actually work. They'd be making copies and killing themselves; not living forever. And they'd be none the wiser. What a terrible existence.

I'm not sure about the none the wiser part. They wouldn't be the same continuous existence - the old clone could definitely die, but I don't see why the previous clones experiences couldn't be integrated into the next one's, making it "wiser", and possibly also think it is the same person as the previous entity - thus the latest clone in the chain would feel like it's been living forever, having the sum of all the knowledge and memories acquired by the clones before it. It would probably be achieved better by continuously storing that stuff in a machine, rather than trying to transfer it at the moment of death though, since there are bound to be numerous things, such as irreparable damage to the previous host's brain, that could cause problems if you haven't made preparations and backups beforehand.

Ultimately it would be the same issue as with teleporters - the previous entity could very well be terminated, and the new one may think it is the same continuous mind, but to an outside observer it would be a copy with the experiences of the old self, not the same entity. It's not even necessary to kill the previous host, since there isn't (and likely won't ever be) a way to transfer consciousness - just make a copy, after which you have two minds thinking they both are the same person.

Yeah that's what I was saying. They'd be none the wiser. Anyone familiar with how data is transferred understands how it would never work. When you move your porn from your laptop to your external hard drive you're not actually "moving" it; you're copying then deleting it. The original is maintained until the "transfer" is complete, and then it's deleted. That's why it would be terrifying if this entire civilization was built upon this.

It's also a trivial issue unless you attribute some supernatural significance to death. Really, as far as experience is concerned, death and unconsciousness are pretty much the same thing. If your complete mind-state is flawlessly backed up and transferred, the essence of who you are becomes immortal. The fact that one instance ceases is irrelevant provided the new one picks up where the other left off.

Are you speaking from the perspective of a robot or something? You realize if that was you, you'd be dead, right? You wouldn't live all those lives. That's like saying "my twin died, but it's okay because I'm still here."

I understand what you're saying. I'm just offering a different perspective on death and the nature of "self". Suppose you're in a car accident, and everything goes black. You wake up in a hospital bed and you are informed that you died in the crash, but don't worry, you were backed up and everything is fine now in your new body... would it matter? If your mind-state is backed up at the moment of death and copied to a new body, your "self" continues even though the "former you" died. Continuity is preserved even though your new self is just a copy.

I know lots of people would object to this and say that "no, you died, and it's not made any better just because there is a new copy of you. There is a new person that is not you." This is valid, but I think this is due to people putting too much emphasis on one's physical/conscious instance, and not enough emphasis on what actually makes you who you really are (your memories, thoughts, beliefs, knowledge, skills, dispositions, relationships, etc, all of which are presumably preserved by duplicating your mind-state). Just a matter of perspective, I think there isn't necessarily a single "correct" answer here.

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Eve trailer rarely disappoint but this one was one of their best. Outstanding.

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Eve is a pretty tedious game to play unless you join a guild. That is where the content is mostly at.

On its own Eve is just a series of space missions that repeat themselves and about mining stuff which is a pretty boring activity.

Started playing Eve 2 separate times but I just couldnt get into the game. Could just be that I like a game more where one controls an actual character instead of a spaceship.

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@fobwashed: Started to play this my self the other day after trying it several times Im now hooked.

The good thing is that you can train skill while you are offline and there is no real grind so you can actually play this just one night a week or so and it works out. I listen to a podcast where one of the persons in it play eve two nights a week for 2hours and he earns 1-300 000 000 isk in that time, and that is ALOT. Sure he has played for a long time and know what he is doing but it is possible to actually play this with little time on your hands, it only takes longer time to do stuff.

you should try it :)

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I dunno, the space part of the trailer is pretty accurate if you do big fleet missions.

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@lightningproof: The corp I was in was actually peaceful. At least they tried to be. They weren't adverse to defending themselves, or paying a mercenary corp to defend them, but they never initiated conflict. A few people had combat alts to defend the corp, but for the most part it was a mining and industrial organization with a 0% tax rate.

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@pixeldemon: You're absolutely right, the transference of consciousness is actually the first version of you dying and another one being created.

Maybe you missed the part of the trailer where they said that for that power they payed the "Ultimate price" as in every capsuler has already sacrificed his life to let what is HIM become immortal. Its not a plot hole, its a feature :P

Also all you people make eve sound a lot more complicated and time consuming than it is.. All you need to do to have fun is log on, go to low sec/0.0 and roam for people to pew.

EDIT: Also when a lot of people talk about eve they are talking from the perspective of someone who has only done 1. carebear missions 2. carebear mining. Which is like playing farcry and limiting yourself to only fighting rabbits.

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I still think the best trailer was the one about betrayal and revenge. EVE is its own game, truly unlike anything else out there. I have played on and off since '06, and went from mining belts in 1.0 hi-sec while worrying about ganks, to being involved in the fall of BoB and the NC. There have been long stretches of boring gate camps, or holding on a titan waiting for the shouts of PUSH BUTAN over comms, but goddamn does the game have some of my most intense memories of gaming wrapped in it. SOV grinding for about 3 hours while posting porn links in local cause we were bored, only to have a bomber wing jump in and the elation of popping half the wing with one well-placed and properly timed bomb. Joining a corp, pretending I wanted nothing to do with management of the corp, and eventually stealing the corp from the director and removing all the assets (not that much unfortunately, but better than nothing.) Just remember, don't fly what you can't afford to lose, and trust no one absolutely.

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Oh Shit! Now I do want to play...

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"Not exactly representative." What an understatement!

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Playing Eve online is the Space Shuttle to the trailers Millennium Falcon. That is Eve online takes planing, hard work, and is a lot of waiting.

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left a good long while ago after they nerfed bombers to use torps instead of cruise missiles

EVE trailers have always been great

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Eve Forever is my favorite Wu-Tang Clan/Alan Parsons Project collab.

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This is such a powerful trailer. CCP really know how to make great ones!

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I am subscribed right now and, I tell you what, it's the players that make the game great. I was in a corp that had a cool leader, but nothing was ever organized. I ended up playing solo because no one was working together. It was a boring couple of weeks. That corp started falling apart. I stuck with it until the CEO himself left. I then went to join the corp of another player that I had in my contact list. Instantly, I got motivation to play more. Instead of coming home from work and thinking, "Meh, I don't really feel like playing EVE, but I should at least check my trades," I was waiting to get home so I could log on. Working towards goals with other players is the drive.

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All this Eve coverage... damn sure wish I had any idea what they hell this game is. Congrats to CCP and a game that lasted this long.

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This video seems over-representative of the women who play Eve. I mean, they deserve their voice as well, but only all two of them.

edit: OOOOOhhh, the sexy, that's why...

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I wish we could get like a quick look of EVE Online. I honestly have zero knowledge of what playing it even looks like, and yeah, I could just YouTube some stuff, but I'd be more curious as to GB's outlook on it.

There's a Scotsman on youtube who put out some good videos explaining the various systems and what it's like actually playing. He's also done some incredible things in Kerbal Space Program.

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@arkasai: Awesome thanks!

I've actually totally watched that guy's Kerbal videos before, showing how to achieve orbit and such. Really fantastic stuff.

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@development said:

@pixeldemon said:

@development said:

@fisk0 said:

@development said:

Too bad the whole "consiousness transferred upon body-death" thing wouldn't actually work. They'd be making copies and killing themselves; not living forever. And they'd be none the wiser. What a terrible existence.

I'm not sure about the none the wiser part. They wouldn't be the same continuous existence - the old clone could definitely die, but I don't see why the previous clones experiences couldn't be integrated into the next one's, making it "wiser", and possibly also think it is the same person as the previous entity - thus the latest clone in the chain would feel like it's been living forever, having the sum of all the knowledge and memories acquired by the clones before it. It would probably be achieved better by continuously storing that stuff in a machine, rather than trying to transfer it at the moment of death though, since there are bound to be numerous things, such as irreparable damage to the previous host's brain, that could cause problems if you haven't made preparations and backups beforehand.

Ultimately it would be the same issue as with teleporters - the previous entity could very well be terminated, and the new one may think it is the same continuous mind, but to an outside observer it would be a copy with the experiences of the old self, not the same entity. It's not even necessary to kill the previous host, since there isn't (and likely won't ever be) a way to transfer consciousness - just make a copy, after which you have two minds thinking they both are the same person.

Yeah that's what I was saying. They'd be none the wiser. Anyone familiar with how data is transferred understands how it would never work. When you move your porn from your laptop to your external hard drive you're not actually "moving" it; you're copying then deleting it. The original is maintained until the "transfer" is complete, and then it's deleted. That's why it would be terrifying if this entire civilization was built upon this.

It's also a trivial issue unless you attribute some supernatural significance to death. Really, as far as experience is concerned, death and unconsciousness are pretty much the same thing. If your complete mind-state is flawlessly backed up and transferred, the essence of who you are becomes immortal. The fact that one instance ceases is irrelevant provided the new one picks up where the other left off.

Are you speaking from the perspective of a robot or something? You realize if that was you, you'd be dead, right? You wouldn't live all those lives. That's like saying "my twin died, but it's okay because I'm still here."

I understand what you're saying. I'm just offering a different perspective on death and the nature of "self". Suppose you're in a car accident, and everything goes black. You wake up in a hospital bed and you are informed that you died in the crash, but don't worry, you were backed up and everything is fine now in your new body... would it matter? If your mind-state is backed up at the moment of death and copied to a new body, your "self" continues even though the "former you" died. Continuity is preserved even though your new self is just a copy.

I know lots of people would object to this and say that "no, you died, and it's not made any better just because there is a new copy of you. There is a new person that is not you." This is valid, but I think this is due to people putting too much emphasis on one's physical/conscious instance, and not enough emphasis on what actually makes you who you really are (your memories, thoughts, beliefs, knowledge, skills, dispositions, relationships, etc, all of which are presumably preserved by duplicating your mind-state). Just a matter of perspective, I think there isn't necessarily a single "correct" answer here.

I know what you're saying... I think, and I think you're not understanding a key part of biology at work, here. If the particles that make up your brain, hard drive, whatever are not exactly the same particles (i.e. physically picked up and placed elsewhere) then you can not be the same person. You would be dead. This is an important distinction to make when -- say -- some politician is advocating implementing some system like this, as in the fake future of EVE.

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@arkasai said:

@heatdrive88 said:

I wish we could get like a quick look of EVE Online. I honestly have zero knowledge of what playing it even looks like, and yeah, I could just YouTube some stuff, but I'd be more curious as to GB's outlook on it.

There's a Scotsman on youtube who put out some good videos explaining the various systems and what it's like actually playing. He's also done some incredible things in Kerbal Space Program.

I watched a bunch of his videos when I was into EVE for a couple months. He has a pretty good one of his 7 year-old daughter ganking someone who was just trying to peacefully mine some ore.