A beta backup loader just leaked for the wii allowing people without a mod chip to play burned iso.
Myself i would have preferred this to never release but then i highly doubt that this will have any significant influence on Nintendo's sales, the procedure is rather complicated if you're not knowledgeable about it (no i will not tell you how to do it nor will i provide links to it).

What will happen in your opinion?

Yarghhh there me hartey. I already know someone with a chipped wii, who plays ISO's on it.

There I was, confident of my decision to sell the Wii before the end of the year, and now this.
Edit Ah, seems this is still early alpha and doesnt work most of the time.

Eh, nothin will happen in my opinion, rampant easy to access piracy didn't exactly affect the Playstation or Playstation 2 in any real way. Companies still used it as the shovelware dumpster thanks to the profit % achievable thanks to the immense install base and the more decent studios still had that as the choice of platform for most of their titles for the same reason. If anything, piracy helped boost the Playstation to the top spot.

Meowayne, if the Wii has no worthy games then surely having those unworthy games for free via such immoral/illegal means shouldn't affect your decision to sell it.

The amount of casual gamers on the Wii will help prevent piracy on the system. The fact is casual gamers wouldnt have a clue on how to apply an iso file on the Wii using the service tool.

I might have to buy a Wii now.

If I were to buy one solely for piracy, wouldn't that mean I was supporting Nintendo? Since I wouldn't have otherwise purchased the console or any games.

It won't do anything on their massive sales. The casual will continue to buy games and the hardcore will continue to buy games.

"I might have to buy a Wii now.

If I were to buy one solely for piracy, wouldn't that mean I was supporting Nintendo? Since I wouldn't have otherwise purchased the console or any games."

Heh, and the rampant pirates didn't have a Wii anyway, they might get one now though, thus adding to the hardware sales even if they won't add to the software sales.

Edit: Well, what Demilich said. Not that I support that kind of attitude, it's still illegal and immoral to pirate games :)

It won't afffect Nintendo at all. Perhaps it will even improve the sales of the system but unfortunately it may obviously hurt the software sales. I know two people who have chipped Wiis. Fortunately I never bought and I will neve buy pirated games.

Yeah, people tend to NOT BUY pirated games, but I guess many are stupid enough to do so. It's one (shitty) thing to not support the developers of games you enjoy enough to play, and a whole different thing to pay some dodgy black market dealer with god knows what other types of activities and goals, for the benefit of paying an illegal copy that cost him next to nothing... Okay maybe I'm exagerating and the dealer in question is merely some local games store with that activity carried out at the back, but still, why give that kind of profit margin to someone like that? Nobody's giving YOU that kind of extra profit for your job and you do yours legally... If you aren't willing to buy games, at least don't buy PIRATED games either people... That's the worst thing you can possibly do. You're both illegal and have paid for the benefit that way, not the smartest thing to do in any case. If you don't care about being illegal (and immoral) at least get the stuff like it was meant to, for free.

Meowayne, if the Wii has no worthy games then surely having those unworthy games for free via such immoral/illegal means shouldn't affect your decision to sell it."

Again, if those games kick the long term Nintendo fan in the face, why pirate them? They must really suck. On the other hand, if Nintendo have delivered games worthy of their past (and they have, seeing as how many of their franschises  are already on the Wii, but anyway) or will deliver more, then they'll have fulfilled fan needs on some level, thus, again, why pirate them? To help make them stop delivering to those expectations in the future?

I mean, they have all this success with Wii Sports and Wii Fit, and yet they bothered to deliver all those games based on their old franschises too, for people like us. Maybe some of them weren't better than past efforts but still better than other studios' efforts. And they're already developing more of those (duh, no shit games like that take time, with Nintendo's dedication to quality and polish, considering they're reinventing Zelda it will take a long time to get right). Pirating those will certainly not help make them wish to waste more resources and time for such games when they can have better profit with the casual games.

And if you mean you'll pirate worthy third party games, while holding a grudge at Nintendo, then you're mostly hurting the wrong people, Nintendo will have already been paid by them for the SDK kits and the publishing fees. If on the other hand you'll pirate the casual games you're only reinforcing the fact more than just ignorant casual players are into them (a fact so many people want to deny), by showing people tech savy enough to pirate them are into them also.

 And if you're so into piracy why do you claim emulation is one of Wii's plus points, I'm sure you do that (again illegally) for free on your PC or other systems.

So, yeah, you're wrong any way you look at this and your piracy will support the opposite behaviour of what you claim you want to see no matter what type of game you end up pirating really.

Not that any of this worries me, the Wii will be profitable regardless of piracy, just as the PS and PS2 were. I'm just explaining the situation in simple terms for you. Nintendo never gave up on its true fans, nor the core gamers, and even though there's a single year dry spell (less than that, after Wario Land and Disaster are released soon) there are many third party core games to fill in the void, I don't buy systems just for first party games after all. I'm glad the Wii is getting so many quality titles (and even more glad the WIi is sparking the creation of so many new IPs) even if so many people are eager to ignore them or attempt to claim they're not good merely for their bandwagon trends, their epeen or whatever other factor. Go Wii :)

"If I were to buy one solely for piracy, wouldn't that mean I was supporting Nintendo? Since I wouldn't have otherwise purchased the console or any games."

"Demilich said:

"If I were to buy one solely for piracy, wouldn't that mean I was supporting Nintendo? Since I wouldn't have otherwise purchased the console or any games."

Well you'd still be paying $250 for a Gamecube, so they'd be making $225 off you."

Yeah, totally.  That's why they re-released them all as Wii games.

Wow, this really got out of hand fast. Tehskeen.com is down, many of the articles regarding the backup-loader have been deleted, and waninkoko officially abandoned (had to abandon?) the project because someone leaked the beta. Well, so much for casual piracy. Bummer.

Well, there is now extensive inofficial beta-testing to confirm which games are working and which ones aren't, I tested some myself. NTSC-compatibility isn't so great, but if you have a PAL-Wii, there is quite a list of potential games that, apart from longer loading times (the backup loader can only use the disc drive at 3x speed), run perfectly. Mostly older games, though, the newer ones tend to not work properly (that includes Mario Kart and SSBB).
Waninkoko has said on one occasion that he is going to clean up code of the 0.1 beta and release the source, so that other may finish the project.

my question would be what would they pirate? cuz it sure as hell isn't good games.

"my question would be what would they pirate? cuz it sure as hell isn't good games."

"my question would be what would they pirate? cuz it sure as hell isn't good games."

I really wish they didn't leak the code so Waninkoko would finish it.  Maybe he'll cool down and continue with the project. 

Game pirates are douchebags unless you are proving a point (aka Spore). It's really one of the assiest things you can do that doesn't involve harming another person directly, unless you're getting ROMs for games that you can't get any other way.

Arkthemaniac:
 The lion's share of the money I have to spend freely goes to the video game industry. I spent thousands of bucks on video game hard- and software, and will continue to do so. 
Still I pirate many games.

If anyone's interested: PAL and NTSC compatibility lists. (summary: PAL works a hell of a lot better.)

You know, pirating Wii games isn't all that exciting. Most of them suck. Pirating a game like Zack and Wiki does more harm then good, as it is a quality title no one buys. Pirating something like Carnival games doesn't matter, as it sold so much, but who would really pirate that?

"You know, pirating Wii games isn't all that exciting. Most of them suck. Pirating a game like Zack and Wiki does more harm then good, as it is a quality title no one buys. Pirating something like Carnival games doesn't matter, as it sold so much, but who would really pirate that?"

I honestly don't think it will be that many people who pirate Wii games. I don't think it will damper their sales much at all. Regardless though, I don't think piracy is ever justified.

"I honestly don't think it will be that many people who pirate Wii games. I don't think it will damper their sales much at all. Regardless though, I don't think piracy is ever justified."

"I guess you could say that I think the same way, but look at something like spore. In protest of the insane DRM, people pirated it, and EA is responding in a positive way. I usually think theft is bad, but look at that situation. You can judge for yourself whether or not it truly was justified, but it got a reaction."

I'm going to be honest, I had a chipped wii and the cost of the chip + installation was worth more than all the games I pirated for it

Also: It was a lot of hassle not to brick your Wii and keep up with the new anti-piracy measures on new releases

No suprise. Where there is a great product for the consumer there will always be assholes who ruin it for everyone.

"What will happen in your opinion?"

Why would people go through all that trouble just to play the handful of good games out on the Wii?

Why would people go through all that trouble

just to play the handful of good games out on the Wii?

Meh, rampant piracy hasn't exactly killed the DS. This is of no real consequence and it can actually help the system gain even more of a fanbase, much like the original Playstation gained its foothold.

Well, for people saying that piracy hasn't affected other consoles, did they have ways to pirate games without getting a chip installed or having to buy tools(like how the DS uses flash carts)? I think the big deal about this is the fact that you don't need a chip installed the play the ISO's. It's already damn easy to pirate Wiiware and VC games and if this loader gets any better I expect piracy on the Wii to increase ALOT. I mean why do you think piracy is so rampant on the PSP? It's because it's so easy to do it.

"Well, for people saying that piracy hasn't affected other consoles, did they have ways to pirate games without getting a chip installed or having to buy tools(like how the DS uses flash carts)? I think the big deal about this is the fact that you don't need a chip installed the play the ISO's. It's already damn easy to pirate Wiiware and VC games and if this loader gets any better I expect piracy on the Wii to increase ALOT. I mean why do you think piracy is so rampant on the PSP? It's because it's so easy to do it."

"pause422 said:

"my question would be what would they pirate? cuz it sure as hell isn't good games."

That's why a lot of people do pirate."

"Well, for people saying that piracy hasn't affected other consoles, did they have ways to pirate games without getting a chip installed or having to buy tools(like how the DS uses flash carts)? I think the big deal about this is the fact that you don't need a chip installed the play the ISO's. It's already damn easy to pirate Wiiware and VC games and if this loader gets any better I expect piracy on the Wii to increase ALOT. I mean why do you think piracy is so rampant on the PSP? It's because it's so easy to do it."

A little over 2 months after Nintendo closed the Twilight Hack for every 4.0-console, a new hack using SSBB is released.