So..... I dont know if anyone here has heard yet but there is an article over on ars technica about how the PS3 slim is real and there will also be a price drop on the normal models.... I know, I know... who saw that coming.

I don't think the number of people who buy new 360s due to RROD are that high. Most people wait for their broken ones to get shipped back; some who have the money to burn will get a new one right away (and try to recoup their losses by selling the old one when it comes back, thereby increasing the number of used 360s that are bought and don't count towards sales figures).

I have bought 2 360's so far for RRoD. And since the second one died a month or two ago I am looking at getting a third cause somehow I lost the bloody sales receipt for it so I dont know if I'll bother getting it repaired since it will cost me and I wouldnt mind going up to an Elite console anyway.

So yeh some portion of xbox console sales are definately people re-buying. As I am sure I am not alone in having to do this.

No, your friend is wrong. Microsoft offers a free three year warranty to anyone who buys a Xbox 360 so why would anyone buy a second one when they could get there console fixed for free? Also there are still plenty of people that do not have an Xbox 360. The console launched in 2005 and I would say it appeals to people that are in high school and older. Kids are getting older and as they get older their parents might be buying them an Xbox 360 or maybe people that don't have them yet decide to buy them.

Nah, the RRoD isn't as common as everyone makes it out to be. Most of my friends have 360s, and only two have gotten the RRoD, and both were on xboxes over 2 years old.

EDIT: And Microsoft is pretty good with getting them back to you quickly. It only took about 3 weeks for both of them.

@Wolverine said:

"No, your friend is wrong. Microsoft offers a free three year warranty to anyone who buys a Xbox 360 so why would anyone buy a second one when they could get there console fixed for free? Also there are still plenty of people that do not have an Xbox 360. The console launched in 2005 and I would say it appeals to people that are in high school and older. Kids are getting older and as they get older their parents might be buying them an Xbox 360 or maybe people that don't have them yet decide to buy them. "

i kind of think of that also. people buy another 360 because of their broken 360. i think it is something like 3rd of people buy another 360. i would think that it is something small.  i think it is also going up because of people saying that rrod is going down because of jasper chip set.

My warranty was expired and they sent me a free new one in 10 days. So if you are buying a new one instead of sending it in, you are a moron.

" No, your friend is wrong. Microsoft offers a free three year warranty to anyone who buys a Xbox 360 so why would anyone buy a second one when they could get there console fixed for free? Also there are still plenty of people that do not have an Xbox 360. The console launched in 2005 and I would say it appeals to people that are in high school and older. Kids are getting older and as they get older their parents might be buying them an Xbox 360 or maybe people that don't have them yet decide to buy them. "

" @Jimbo said:

" @Wolverine said:

" No, your friend is wrong. Microsoft offers a free three year warranty to anyone who buys a Xbox 360 so why would anyone buy a second one when they could get there console fixed for free? Also there are still plenty of people that do not have an Xbox 360. The console launched in 2005 and I would say it appeals to people that are in high school and older. Kids are getting older and as they get older their parents might be buying them an Xbox 360 or maybe people that don't have them yet decide to buy them. "

You answered your own question.  I have had to replace an out-of-warranty 360 and I'm sure plenty of others have too.The sales figures will be skewed to some extent by dead 360s (leading to the 360 install base being less than overall 360 sales).  It's impossible to say what percentage of new 360 sales are accounted for by replacements, but I would guess less than 10%. "

Why would you replace an out of warranty 360 when you can pay $140 to get it fixed? "

I'm not sure why you would buy an entire new system if you got the Red Ring Of Death. You could just ship it in and get it back in two weeks without paying a dime.

I've always said since the arcade pack came out that I'd probably buy one of those while my 360 is in the post to Microsoft. For a start, don't fancy the wait. Secondly my experience with refurb hardware has been many, and wholly negative too. Of all my consoles that have gone off for repair, all have come back with a new set of problems. Mostly because the new insides once belonged to another poor sods "repaired" machine. More complicated hardware just means there's more to go wrong.

" Why would you replace an out of warranty 360 when you can pay $140 to get it fixed? "

Games... That's why.

RRoD is fixed by Microsoft for free for three years from purchase. The majority of purchases for the Xbox 360 are not because their last one broke. It might be the case for some but I think it wouldn't be much.

140 dollars? the most i was quoted to get a 360 fixed was 100 dollars...I complained about having to pay for a problem that was not  my fault and he offered 50% off....and then e74 got covered under 3 year and i got that refunded.

" 140 dollars? the most i was quoted to get a 360 fixed was 100 dollars...I complained about having to pay for a problem that was not  my fault and he offered 50% off....and then e74 got covered under 3 year and i got that refunded. "

The only reason 360's failure rate stays around the 30-40% is because they sell hundreds of thousands every month. Its not like 33% of them all will fail, just 33% percent that exist right now this very moment. Eventually every single person who plays their 360 more than the casual gamer will experience some kind of RROD situation. 

" @CL60 said:

" @WilliamRLBaker said:

" 140 dollars? the most i was quoted to get a 360 fixed was 100 dollars...I complained about having to pay for a problem that was not  my fault and he offered 50% off....and then e74 got covered under 3 year and i got that refunded. "

Mine was free no questions asked. It was out of warranty too. "

Was the warranty for RRoD over as well? They extended coverage for three years for anyone who got RRoD even if the old  warranty ended. "

Well i own a PS3 My flatmate Owns the 360, on my ps3 i got the 3 beeps yellow light of death where the damn thing would not even turn on.
I took it to the sony Fixeruppers (Fixtronics here in aucks New Zealand) and withen a week they had it delivered tomy door with my old HDD to, to bad i did not do that data transfer as I lost a fuckload of trophy's.

EDIT: forgot to say that it was around 4-5 months out of warrenty and I had to dig up the recipt from Harvey Norman
Cheers sony.

" The only reason 360's failure rate stays around the 30-40% is because they sell hundreds of thousands every month. Its not like 33% of them all will fail, just 33% percent that exist right now this very moment. Eventually every single person who plays their 360 more than the casual gamer will experience some kind of RROD situation.  "

umm I got mine repaired but I also bought an elite after the second time it died.. Thats what i did, but then I know a lot of guys who just buy new 360 when the get red ringed

It's pretty irrelevent why somebody would buy a replacement;  they are doing it and therefore the numbers are skewed to some extent.  Like I said, I still don't think it accounts for a huge % of new 360 sales.

I had 3 years solid service out my 360 before it died and then replaced it with an Arcade - which are around one third the price of a PS3 here - so I didn't feel ripped off by Microsoft or anything. 

The point is that I (and others) now count for 2 of the the 360's overall sales, but I'm still only ever going to buy 1 copy of a game.  Likewise for anybody else that owns multiple 360s (a lot of the people that bought Elites for example).  The result is that the true 'install base' of the 360 is a lot closer to the PS3 than the sales figures alone would indicate.