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Nintendo Planning On Bringing Retail 3DS and Wii U Titles Out Digitally

Nintendo plans on kicking off the digital/retail combo with New Super Mario Bros. 2.

The embracing of the oft-talked about "digital future" has been a slow process, to say the least. Due likely in no small part to publishers' unwillingness to send retailers into fits of murderous rage, most overtures toward a more digitally-oriented release model have been tempered as "additional options," with games appearing both at retail and digitally. Only recently have those retail and digital releases started to become more simultaneous, due in no small part to Sony's push for both options on the PlayStation Vita.

Want NSMB2 but unable or unwilling to go to a store to buy it? Does Nintendo ever have a solution for you!
Want NSMB2 but unable or unwilling to go to a store to buy it? Does Nintendo ever have a solution for you!

Now, it seems, Nintendo is getting on board with this idea. During an investor presentation late last night (morning, Japan time), Nintendo president Satoru Iwata made it known that the company plans to start bringing out select 3DS titles to their digital eShop day-and-date with their retail counterparts, starting with the August release of New Super Mario Bros. 2. Iwata didn't state that this would be the standard, necessarily, for all 3DS titles, but rather an option for games that seem like a good fit for the service. Iwata specifically pointed out titles like Animal Crossing, Nintendogs, and Tomodachi Collection as the kinds of games that inspire "daily communication," and thus would be good to have stored on the system, as opposed to only being accessible via a cart.

As of right now, the only other confirmed title that will be getting the retail/digital double treatment is Onitore, a brain training game. Iwata did hint that more would be in the works, including perhaps some that might not necessarily fall under that "daily communication" banner.

Retailers will additionally be offering vouchers with download codes at their brick-and-mortar locations. This will allow for sales and price cuts to be offered post-release, something the eShop isn't currently built for.

It's not just the 3DS that will be getting this treatment, either. According to Iwata, the Wii U will offer the same service, and will have digital versions of its games available at launch. Unfortunately, it doesn't sound like we'll get to find out what those launch games will be until after E3. Iwata made it known that while the final hardware will be at the show, Nintendo doesn't plan to announce the final cost, launch date, nor finalized launch lineup of games until after E3.

While it doesn't quite sound like Nintendo is 100% in on all things digital just yet, this at least looks like a solid step in that direction. Considering I've mostly just been downloading games to my Vita rather than buying them in stores, I definitely see this as a welcome option. The downside obviously is storage capacity, but depending on how large full-blown retail 3DS games are, this could turn out to be a much preferable option. Then again, I don't do much game-swapping, so it's no big deal for me that the games lock to the specific 3DS you download them to. I'm assuming others might have more of an issue with this.

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@Moncole: I doubt they'd go that far. I'd see $5-$10 cheaper, tops.

But then you'd have to make sure you had enough storage space to keep your downloads, which is possibly where they'd make up the difference.

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"Iwata specifically pointed out titles like Animal Crossing, Nintendogs, and Tomodachi Collection as the kinds of games that inspire "daily communication," and thus would be good to have stored on the system, as opposed to only being accessible via a cart."

Seems stupid to state the obvious, but that is a pretty good indication that Nintendo might not fuck up this online thing after all.

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@EXTomar said:

@StingingVelvet said:

@EXTomar said:

@StingingVelvet said:

Why anyone would choose this over a DRM-free disc is beyond me. Changing discs can be a hassle, but digital downloads through an account like this put your games in corporate hands, not your own. Too much to give up if you ask me... way too much.

I hate to break this to you but running software from a disk on a DRM hardened system is still DRM. And I also think too many overvalue a physical disks and carts where it is way less valuable if not junk after a few months anyway.

I am all for freedom, information privacy and similar topics but I don't think most games actually qualify the need to maintain or protect them.

Disc checks are not the same. When the servers go down you still own your game. Have fun trying to play all your digital games on a closed platform when the servers go down and your hardware fails.

How are you going to play a modern online game with the servers are down? I look at a game like Dungeon Defenders see this as a prime example of a game where a disk is the absolute wrong format.

Okay lets set aside games that have a major online component. If you play something like Fallout 3 today on a new machine today, it can work "out of the box" but be prepared for crashing, bugs, and other problems that have no workarounds. In this case, the disk is not as valuable because it has been superseded by updates that will take a bunch of time in maintenance just getting it up to a stable state.

I do appreciate what you mean but really this is a reflection of the technology. To play MW3, the console only reads a little bit of the physical disk to validate the encryption keys and reads the rest of the data and software engine off the hard drive. If consoles are relying more and more on dynamic content that is just not found on the original media, why do we have these things? Its a lesson learned on PC decades ago.

1) I don't play online games, and even if I did those are understood to be time limited when you buy them.

2) Patches and DLC, while nice, are not necessary to play the game. At leas the core game on the disc will be preserved for all time, unlike a download which will require a company to be around to use. Unless we factor in piracy of course, but I expect the internet to be much more regulated in the future, harming that as an avenue for preservation.

3) Yes the PC has been dealing with this a long time, and all that DRM gets in the way of preservation. Still it is different because the PC is an open platform, which gives the user a lot more options to preserve their content or reacquire it.

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@Lucidlife said:

Ok, nice. But we all know the titles will be the exact same price as retail which is a complete joke, and that certainly isn't just a Nintendo problem.

the wording was a bit weird but they were saying that retailers are now able to set the prices for download codes. if that only means the codes they're selling at retail stores or if that includes publishers setting prices for the actual software on the download service (à la steam), I don't know. the words they used were "retailers" and "download codes" but it's reason enough to be cautiously optimistic that it may finally allow for sales and price cuts to happen on Nintendo's download service.

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Ok, nice. But we all know the titles will be the exact same price as retail which is a complete joke, and that certainly isn't just a Nintendo problem.

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I'd buy Nintendogs and Animal Crossing if I didn't have to pop a different cart in to play.

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@StingingVelvet said:

@EXTomar said:

@StingingVelvet said:

Why anyone would choose this over a DRM-free disc is beyond me. Changing discs can be a hassle, but digital downloads through an account like this put your games in corporate hands, not your own. Too much to give up if you ask me... way too much.

I hate to break this to you but running software from a disk on a DRM hardened system is still DRM. And I also think too many overvalue a physical disks and carts where it is way less valuable if not junk after a few months anyway.

I am all for freedom, information privacy and similar topics but I don't think most games actually qualify the need to maintain or protect them.

Disc checks are not the same. When the servers go down you still own your game. Have fun trying to play all your digital games on a closed platform when the servers go down and your hardware fails.

How are you going to play a modern online game with the servers are down? I look at a game like Dungeon Defenders see this as a prime example of a game where a disk is the absolute wrong format.

Okay lets set aside games that have a major online component. If you play something like Fallout 3 today on a new machine today, it can work "out of the box" but be prepared for crashing, bugs, and other problems that have no workarounds. In this case, the disk is not as valuable because it has been superseded by updates that will take a bunch of time in maintenance just getting it up to a stable state.

I do appreciate what you mean but really this is a reflection of the technology. To play MW3, the console only reads a little bit of the physical disk to validate the encryption keys and reads the rest of the data and software engine off the hard drive. If consoles are relying more and more on dynamic content that is just not found on the original media, why do we have these things? Its a lesson learned on PC decades ago.

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Sweet! Looking forward to Xbox copying it, Midnight downloads would be sweet.

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At what prices, Nintendo? That is the question!

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Digital download Animal Crossing 3DS noaw!

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Well, this explains why the Gamestop employee was so desperate to get a pre-order out of me.

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Nintendo: Planning on 2007, during 2012. It's hard not to love 'em.

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Typical Nintendo are super vague and don't say if there will be a discount on digital version like PS Vita games

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@EXTomar said:

@StingingVelvet said:

Why anyone would choose this over a DRM-free disc is beyond me. Changing discs can be a hassle, but digital downloads through an account like this put your games in corporate hands, not your own. Too much to give up if you ask me... way too much.

I hate to break this to you but running software from a disk on a DRM hardened system is still DRM. And I also think too many overvalue a physical disks and carts where it is way less valuable if not junk after a few months anyway.

I am all for freedom, information privacy and similar topics but I don't think most games actually qualify the need to maintain or protect them.

Disc checks are not the same. When the servers go down you still own your game. Have fun trying to play all your digital games on a closed platform when the servers go down and your hardware fails.

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@JasonR86 said:

@Moncole said:

Smart move. But digital version need to be cheaper like 20$ cheaper.

That won't happen dude.

Yeah, retailers would throw a fit. Besides, Nintendo isn't going to turn down money either.

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If they go back and add already released games to the store, I'll absolutely buy a 3DS.

I've wanted to play Mario 3D Land and Kid Icarus for a while, and if I can get them digitally, there's no real reason for me to put it off anymore.

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Does this mean Nintendo are finally shipping a console with *gasp* good storage capacity?!

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I posted my opinions about this last night but I'll re-iterate with new exciting sentence structure! So Nintendo stepping deeper into the digital pond is great. On all next generation consoles I want everything day-and-date digital. I'm sure this will be a fairly limited number of titles for Nintendo but still a very good step. Now we are not out of the woods yet because Nintendo also announced your not going to be able to transfer these games between systems, which is not a surprise but disappointing.

My fine tuned soothsaying predicts its going to be another decade til Nintendo allows us to activate/deactivate a limited number of devices to one account, like Apple. Hopefully they we won't have to go through that pay-to-redownload thing that EA had going initially for their digital service but we shall see.

I'm willing to experiment with cheap titles that I can't re-download but for the bigger pricier titles I'm not really sure. But not having to remember which box I left the Animal Crossing cart in (because chances are its not the Animal Crossing box) is tempting. I think Gamestop, or someone I like better, should offer the digital NSMB2 with the physical copy as a pre-order bonus or something to introduce people to the E-Shop but that may be a conflict of interest for a brick and mortar store.

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I'll probably mostly buy discs, but this is awesome for things like Tetris or w/e that I know I'll always come back to when I'm bored.

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I will keep to buy retail games it is the best choice for me.

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@Moncole said:

Smart move. But digital version need to be cheaper like 20$ cheaper.

That won't happen dude.

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I dont like this!! There's something about digital downloads that makes owning games seem more hollow. I also have the tendancy to think downloaded games run worse than disc games. And of course it means paying attention to storage space, which ive never had to do before. I like to download movies, music and tv, but as long as Games cost 60 or more I want physical copies!!!!!!!!!

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Well its progress I suppose but tying your purchases to the console they were bought on instead of using some sort of Nintendo account seems pretty backwards compared to the SEN, Steam, XBL, iTunes etc. especially considering just how much Nintendo love to redesign their handheld consoles. I stopped buying stuff on the Virtual Console ages ago as I have very little confidence in being able to keep those games if I upgrade to a Wii-U later this year. Transferring your purchases from a DSi to a 3DS works but they need a much better system for Wii to Wii-U transfers.

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@JDillinger said:

Nintendo copying Sony yet again.

lol?

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@Lemons64 said:

Nintendo might just come back from the brink.

Yes, they may come back from the brink... of having $10 Billion saved in the bank. The poor bastards. How will they ever survive!?

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Like hell they are. It's going to be so fucking broken and ugly. For all their talk about simple user interfaces, everything they do that involves the internet might as well be coldhewn from the bones of the stillborn. They're a decade behind the rest of the world when it comes to anything internet.

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@StingingVelvet said:

Why anyone would choose this over a DRM-free disc is beyond me. Changing discs can be a hassle, but digital downloads through an account like this put your games in corporate hands, not your own. Too much to give up if you ask me... way too much.

I hate to break this to you but running software from a disk on a DRM hardened system is still DRM. And I also think too many overvalue a physical disks and carts where it is way less valuable if not junk after a few months anyway.

I am all for freedom, information privacy and similar topics but I don't think most games actually qualify the need to maintain or protect them.

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Now I'm just curious how big the storage device on Wii U will be.

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Nintendo might just come back from the brink.

I always like getting my games from the store, but doing things digitally might make things more convenient and just all together more efficient.

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nintendo embracing the future is amazing

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This is the best move Nintendo could possibly make.

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@darbish said:

@StingingVelvet: It's only a matter of time before publishers figure out how to get rid of the discs. Remember the Xbox720 scuttlebutt about CD keys and the effect it would have on the used game market? They're moving people along in baby steps with online passes and such. Once everyone (somewhere between 85% and 100%) in the country has broadband internet it's all but over for physical copies.

I know all that, but it would be nice if people stopped thinking it was so awesome. There are serious downsides to digital content, especially when it's DRM'd on a closed platform.

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This is great! It seems like within the last year or so, Nintendo has really gotten on the track it needs to take advantage of some of today's technology that they've kind of pushed to the side in the past. Their fantastic games and unique take on the industry has always kept them afloat, but if they get to be good buddies with modern day tech, we could have some real interesting stuff coming up.

Hell I might even buy NSMB2 digital. Seems like a good game to always have on the system,

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@evanbower: word. thank goodness nintendo went SD and didn't pull a sony on us with the 3ds. Need to look into how big an SD it can use and how transferring data works.

UPDATE: looks like the 3ds will take up to a 32gb SDHC card. Sweet. And apparently data transfer is as simple as copying to a computer and then to a new formatted SD card.

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@mattgriffin said:

So far, I've never even looked at the SD card that came with my 3ds. I'm wondering what the file sizes will be like and how many games I'm likely to fit on the stock SD card.

The card that comes with it is 2 gigs.. so, approximately one game! Part of this will definitely involve 3DS owners going out and buying bigger cards. Good things they're crazy cheap.

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@StingingVelvet: It's only a matter of time before publishers figure out how to get rid of the discs. Remember the Xbox720 scuttlebutt about CD keys and the effect it would have on the used game market? They're moving people along in baby steps with online passes and such. Once everyone (somewhere between 85% and 100%) in the country has broadband internet it's all but over for physical copies.

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What's news to me is the fact that there is a NSMB 2. Totally didn't even know that existed.

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I love that everyone was clamoring for digital sales, and now that they have it people are immediately demanding lower prices as well. Fuck all y'all.

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I'm game, I'm all for buying retail games digitally. All they need to do is work out the logistics and It'll make financial sense as well as be more practical.

As is I've been forced to buy games used from Amazon, I'm sure that doesn't help them as much and as good as Amazon are they're not as efficient as a download would be.

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I don't believe you.

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Truly, this is the age of digital distribution.

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Make the digital version substantially cheaper and allow me to keep those purchases attached to my ACCOUNT and not some breakable system and I'd consider it. Otherwise, take your digital games, load em onto an SD card, shine em up real nice, and...

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Why anyone would choose this over a DRM-free disc is beyond me. Changing discs can be a hassle, but digital downloads through an account like this put your games in corporate hands, not your own. Too much to give up if you ask me... way too much.

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Nintendo copying Sony yet again.

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Great Nintendo just caught up with 4 years of progress.

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That is all well and good but I hope they don't try to sell the software at the same price levels. A lesson they need to learn from digital stores isn't that you can get N amount easier at $20 but way more than twice as many sales at $10.

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Hooray for progress.

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It's about time. I want to see original DS games become available digitally for 3DS too.