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The Dueling Ferraris Of Forza 3 And Gran Turismo 5

Two Ferraris enter, one Ferrari leaves! Wait, that isn't right. Just watch these videos.

The creators of both Forza Motorsport 3 and Gran Turismo 5 both announced on the same day that their respective games will include Ferrari's latest luscious road beast, the 458 Italia. I have to imagine Ferrari was calling most all of the shots on this one, since the company had Turn 10 and Polyphony Digital release competing videos of the same car on the same day. Here are both of those. 
   
 

   

  
  

The Forza video certainly looks nice, but man, that GT5 footage is on some kind of other level of visual quality. Then again, I've seen no indication anywhere that the footage is running in the game engine in real time, whereas Forza 3 is definitely an actual game, and moreover one that you will be playing a month from now. In any event, this is a pretty neat cross-promotional idea.

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Posted by Brad

The creators of both Forza Motorsport 3 and Gran Turismo 5 both announced on the same day that their respective games will include Ferrari's latest luscious road beast, the 458 Italia. I have to imagine Ferrari was calling most all of the shots on this one, since the company had Turn 10 and Polyphony Digital release competing videos of the same car on the same day. Here are both of those. 
   
 

   

  
  

The Forza video certainly looks nice, but man, that GT5 footage is on some kind of other level of visual quality. Then again, I've seen no indication anywhere that the footage is running in the game engine in real time, whereas Forza 3 is definitely an actual game, and moreover one that you will be playing a month from now. In any event, this is a pretty neat cross-promotional idea.

Which side of the automotive arms race do you fall on? Commence arguing! 
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Posted by Bigandtasty

That video description lies! I touched a Ferrari once!

Edited by P45K4L

Forza 3 looks awesome and the environments look stunning...GT5 is not even ingame what is Poly thinking they're doing a commercial for Ferrari or something =[

Posted by TheGremp

Eh, I doubt that's in-engine. 
 
I prefer Forza's gameplay, anyways.  GT5 definitely looks good, but I never really liked the feel of it.

Posted by Muttinus_Rump

Damn, that GT5 video sure is pretty.

Posted by banunn1

Wow, both of those look really awesome. Even though it seems that GT5 looks even better than forza 3, I am still going to have to stick with forza. I just really like what they do with their community features, not to mention I just prefer the Xbox controller/wheel for racing games.   Though, this year is turning out to be a very different year for racing games in general, I used to find myself drawn to "trash racing" (NFS: Carbon/Most wanted) but I am getting more and more sucked in by the sim racer. Really can't explain why, maybe its some sort of value proposition for me (longer lasting play and community with the sims). Anyway, those are my thoughts. 

Posted by Gunner612

Gran Turismo put me off years ago when i couldnt get a license to even begin racing. So im going with forza.

Posted by eroticfishcake

Both of them are really at each other's throats aren't they? I like both of them though.

Posted by Agent_Lost

Welcome to Ferrari country.

Posted by SammydesinasNL

Nice, but what about 'available for download holiday 2009' at the end of the Forza video? Seems like I might not even touch it ingame.
Posted by Meteora

Both look really nice, but GT5's looks pretty unreal. I don't think that's in-game engine, though I haven't really looked at any GT5 videos yet so who am I to say.

Posted by Sushbag

The 458 is bite-the-back-of-your-hand gorgeous. As long as it sounds as good as the 430 does, it's time to start saving my loose change. Then I can rent one for a day when I'm 80.

Posted by DanielJW

If that GT5 footage is in-game...damn that looks good.

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Edited by TwoOneFive

god damn GT5 looks incredible. damn i cant wait to use that game to show off my hdtv for everyne that comes in my house. 
 
ps. is the Bjork in the gt5 vid? if so they win this contest hands down

Posted by Milkman

Forza automatically beats Gran Turismo because it's an actual game.

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Posted by crunchUK

Lol, neither of those is anywhere close to what the game actually looks like. And im not even sure the gt5 one is even with the game engine

Posted by TinoXtreme

GT 5's video sure looks pretty, but I doubt that is the in-game engine. Forza 3 had a pretty solid trailer with their in-game engine, so until I find out if that is in-game on the GT 5 trailer, I'm sticking with Forza.

Edited by Arne

Say what you want about the games, but PD's trailer kinda leave turn10s trailer in the dust, its not even remotely as good.

Posted by CitizenKane

I highly doubt the GT5 footage is in-game, but it sure does look nice.

Posted by Reuben

Yeah both videos are pretty bad ass, As everyone else is thinking, the GT5 vid just can't be in game though both show off the car very nicely.

Posted by get2sammyb
@Milkman said:
" Forza automatically beats Gran Turismo because it's an actual game. "
Dude you know they're going to date GT at Sony's TGS press conference in oooh... About 4 hours.
 
The GT footage is in-engine.
Edited by TwoOneFive
@P45K4L said:

" Forza 3 looks awesome and the environments look stunning...GT5 is not even ingame what is Poly thinking they're doing a commercial for Ferrari or something =[ "

Ahhh, i love when guys like you come around and make stupid comments like those. i am gonna save this quote for later use.  
 
its also pretty fucking funny how defensive all the 360 fanboys are getting because of this. 
Posted by RHCPfan24

The Gt5 footage looks great, even if it may not be actual in-game. Nonetheless, both games look very, very nice.

Posted by sofakingcool

Sony is so pathetic! Forza puts out a real in game video and they're like oh ya well check out this.... we can make a per-rendered video of a car which would be in GT5, If it were actually a god damn game! GT5 is a lie! It's first party so don't you think they could get a DRIVING game (not that long of development cycle on driving games) out on their own console within the first THREE years of its release?  

Posted by lordofultima

I'm stoked for Forza 3, but Gran Turismo continues to have the appealing aesthetic and super-chill elevator jazz music that is perfect for it. I just want the best driving simulator, so I'll probably be getting both.

Posted by JoeOE18
@TwoOneFive said:
" @P45K4L said:

" Forza 3 looks awesome and the environments look stunning...GT5 is not even ingame what is Poly thinking they're doing a commercial for Ferrari or something =[ "

Ahhh, i love when guys like you come around and make stupid comments like those. i am gonna save this quote for later use.   its also pretty fucking funny how defensive all the 360 fanboys are getting because of this.  "
I don't see much fanboy action in these comments at all. Most people are saying they prefer Forza, but that doesn't make them fanboys, just people with an opinion. Admittedly the quote you highlighted has a certain fanboy ring to it, but that's pretty much the worst it's gotten here. 
 
I have a 360 and not a PS3. Therefore I shall be buying Forza, which I'm very happy about.
Posted by urbaninja

Whoever made these videos sure has a hospital records fetish. Mistabishi at the start of the Forza video and London Elektricity on the GT5 video. Drum and Bass FTW!
Posted by JoelTGM
@sofakingcool said:
" Sony is so pathetic! Forza puts out a real in game video and they're like oh ya well check out this.... we can make a per-rendered video of a car which would be in GT5, If it were actually a god damn game! GT5 is a lie! It's first party so don't you think they could get a DRIVING game (not that long of development cycle on driving games) out on their own console within the first THREE years of its release?   "
those damn rascals at sony!
Posted by Sinnix

Those were both awesome and, eventually, I'll probably get both. The GT5 one might be "in-engine" but not "in-game". Kind of like what Epic Games did with the first big Gears of War commercial. Awesome stuff!

Posted by Alexander

For anyone wondering, the track in the Forza vid is by a guy called Alex Metric and it's called What Now.
 
If you ever get a chance to see one of his DJ sets do, they're awesome.

Posted by Tiwi

i fall on the GT5 side of the fence. or rather was thrown over.
i like forza and all but man... *stunned*
 *Ken focus attacks into ultra*

Edited by dezvous

I'd have to say that the GT5 video is certainly using in-game car models and assets but what makes it look so pretty is all the post processing, a la, anti aliasing, depth of field, etc. That you won't find while actually racing but the car models remain as detailed. Just take a look at GT5 Prologue. They certainly don't have a car model for in-game and a separate higher poly car model for replays, just post processing on the replays.

Posted by aznfool07

Their goal was to show off the Ferrari and not Forza 3 or GT5 so Polyphony wins. Better music and visuals in my opinion.

Posted by GrandpaStu
@Alexander said:

"For anyone wondering, the track in the Forza vid is by a guy called Alex Metric and it's called What Now.  If you ever get a chance to see one of his DJ sets do, they're awesome. "


track in GT5 video is, London Elektricity - Just One Second (Apex Remix)     

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGNDlLiVBK0&fmt=18    
Posted by fillmoejoe

The GT 5 trailer looks better but is that the actual engine?

Posted by Afroman269

Forza looks real nice but I seriously doubt that the GT footage is in-game footage. If it is then congrats to them.

Posted by killdave

Actual Ingame vs CGI
 
*cough
*splutter
*openly mock

Posted by Reuben
@dezvous said:
" I'd have to say that the GT5 video is certainly using in-game car models and assets but what makes it look so pretty is all the post processing, a la, anti aliasing, depth of field, etc. That you won't find while actually racing but the car models remain as detailed. Just take a look at GT5 Prologue. They certainly don't have a car model for in-game and a separate higher poly car model for replays, just post processing on the replays. "
This makes a lot more sense.
Edited by WinterSnowblind
@TwoOneFive said:

" @P45K4L said:

" Forza 3 looks awesome and the environments look stunning...GT5 is not even ingame what is Poly thinking they're doing a commercial for Ferrari or something =[ "

Ahhh, i love when guys like you come around and make stupid comments like those. i am gonna save this quote for later use.   its also pretty fucking funny how defensive all the 360 fanboys are getting because of this.  "
YOUR comment is the only seriously fanboyish one in the entire thread, and the only one with an agressive/defensive tone to it.
 
Anyway, the GT5 trailer looks undisputably better, and they win points as it seems the car will actually be in the game from the outset, as opposed to it being DLC for Forza.  That may simply be because GT is coming a lot later though.  That aside, I'd give the win to Forza, simply for showing off actual ingame footage.
Posted by catalystex
@sofakingcool said:
" Sony is so pathetic! Forza puts out a real in game video and they're like oh ya well check out this.... we can make a per-rendered video of a car which would be in GT5, If it were actually a god damn game! GT5 is a lie! It's first party so don't you think they could get a DRIVING game (not that long of development cycle on driving games) out on their own console within the first THREE years of its release?   "
How can you expect Polyphony to put out in game footage for GT5 when the game HASN'T EVEN BEEN ANNOUNCED. Forza 3 WILL be out next month, so why would you think that Forza has the gameplay footage, hmmm? By the way Sony has nothing to do with GT5's video, Polyphony does, they make GT5, and I'm willing to bet that they made the video as well. Sony publishes it. If you aren't happy with GT5 not being out yet then GTFO and play Forza 2 or 3 on your 360.
Posted by TMThomsen

The GT5 trailer is both in-game and prerendered as far as I can tell. The close up footage in the beginning feature ray-traced reflections, which later are gone when the car is shown driving on the track.

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Posted by skrutop

Wow, if that's how GT5 really looks (and I doubt it does), that's absolutely amazing.  However, I don't have a PS3 so ne'ermind.  I think I'll just go play some more BK: Nuts & Bolts

Posted by Phished0ne

I  have to admit Polyphony does a good job making me drool over a game.  I will have a momentary lapse of reason and buy GT5, only to put it in and realize i suck at it. 
 
My bet would be is that the GT5 video is in-engine, even if it is in engine with lots of post-effects.  The model in the actual race sections looks pretty close to GT5 Prologue quality wise. 

Posted by crunchUK
@WinterSnowblind said:
" @TwoOneFive said:

" @P45K4L said:

" Forza 3 looks awesome and the environments look stunning...GT5 is not even ingame what is Poly thinking they're doing a commercial for Ferrari or something =[ "

Ahhh, i love when guys like you come around and make stupid comments like those. i am gonna save this quote for later use.   its also pretty fucking funny how defensive all the 360 fanboys are getting because of this.  "
YOUR comment is the only seriously fanboyish one in the entire thread, and the only one with an agressive/defensive tone to it.  "
this
Posted by rateoforange

"that GT5 footage is on some kind of other level of visual quality"
 
For obvious reasons. Here, let me save everyone a lot of pain with this simple corollary to occam's razor, the bullshot corollary:
 
If:
1) Some footage/screenshot looks suspiciously good, for whatever reason
and
2) You are not explicitly told the footage is rendered in real time, in engine, on a console. 
and/or
3) The footage has been released by a first or second party Sony developer
Then:
It's bullshot!

Posted by g1antb0mb3r

Both Boring Games but both really slick videos!

Posted by Nei

To me it seems like both companies were successful at what they set out to do. That said, I have do give a nod to Forza! While they did show off the Ferrari 
458 Italia, they also included glimpse of Ferrari's evolution. Sort of like giving credit to the past but never stopping looking toward the future.
 
One thing is for sure, I can't wait to play both games.
 
 "Ferrari 458 Italia availible for download this Holiday"... :\

Posted by xXxLYNCHxXx

Which side of the arms race?  Squarely in the middle...  Games of this quality will both be day one purchases.  I couldn't care less about the machine they run on!

Edited by TheHBK

Has sony even released any images that are in game?  Forza has the same sort of images where the car is far away or in a cinematic camera, all spiffy but there are in game images too.  I have not seen anything close to that for GT5, which makes me also wonder when it will come out. 
Forza wins just because we know the game is coming out. 
Anyone who has followed these games and the previous release, they would agree.  GT5s footage doesnt look realtime.  It could be Sony's trick of "this is running on the PS3 hardware!" but it is cleaned up and not real time.  Look at still images from GT4 or GT3.  Those games would look fucking amazing if they actually did look like that in game.  But they dont. 
Look at these pics for GT4 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 

 

This must have looked fucking amazing with no jaggies I am sure running on the PS2 at 1080i.  Does anyone remember the game looking this good? I am not bashing GT5, just getting fucking tired of sonys tactics and marketing.