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When Passions Flare, Lines Are Crossed [UPDATED]

One player's heated rhetoric about sexual harassment in the fighting community causes a furious debate, one that has Capcom apologizing.

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UPDATE: Bakhtanians has issued a statement in the wake of today's coverage. Read it here.

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“This is a community that’s, you know, 15 or 20-years-old and the sexual harassment is part of a culture,” said competitive fighting game player Aris "Aris" Bakhtanians on a recent live stream for Capcom's Cross Assault show, “and if you remove that from the fighting game community, it’s not the fighting game community.”

Capcom has since apologized for comments made during a conversation on sexual harassment in the fighting game community, which that quote was pulled from. It was a discussion focused on Bakhtanians, and took place during a recent episode of the company’s Cross Assault reality show. It’s part of a promotion for Street Fighter X Tekken.

Cross Assault started with 10 contestants divided into two teams, Team Tekken and Team Street Fighter. The final four contestants will be determined today, and the last matches begin March 3.

A reader initially pointed out the inflammatory commentary, which took place during day five.

Bakhtanians is the head of Team Tekken, and was engaged in a conversation that chiefly involved Twitch.tv community manager Jared Rea. Twitch.tv is hosting the daily streaming of the day-long Cross Assault episodes.

“The views and opinions expressed by cast members in the live internet program 'Cross Assault' do not reflect those of Capcom,” said a Capcom spokesperson in a statement issued to me last night. “As a company, Capcom believes that everyone should be treated with respect. This particular issue was brought to our attention and has been addressed. We sincerely apologize to anyone that was offended by any comments expressed during the show.”

You can listen to the conversation by fast forwarding to one hour and 45 minutes into the following video. A user on YouTube also collected a series of comments made by Bakhtanians on day one.

For example: "Miranda, I wanna know your bra size."

Tensions were immediately raised over Rea's suggestion the fighting game community, once insular and limited but now steadily growing year-over-year, was potentially alienating outsiders from becoming fans of fighting games or the competitive scene because of inappropriate sexual language. Bakhtanians took issue with Rea's criticism.

Here’s a lengthy transcript of their exchange:

Rea: You know what it is, to be honest with you? We’re getting older. Do you really want to keep hanging around with a bunch of [guys in their] early 20s who don’t know how to treat one another with respect? That’s what it is.

Bakhtanians: Alright, man. The thing is...if you don’t like the scene, how it is right now, it just seems like you’re trying to create...turn it into something that it’s not, and it’s never going to be. You know what I mean?

Rea: That’s really unfortunate [inaudible]...the way it is right now, they want to enjoy fighting games, but they’re so incredibly turned off by [the language].

Bakhtanians: This doesn’t involve me, Jared, I don’t know if you can hear me--this is Aris. This doesn’t really involve me, but if you don’t like onions, you get your sandwich without onions, man. I mean, this is the fighting game community.

Rea: Can I get my Street Fighter without sexual harassment?

Bakhtanians: You can’t. You can’t because they’re one and the same thing. This is a community that’s, you know, 15 or 20 years old, and the sexual harassment is part of a culture, and if you remove that from the fighting game community, it’s not the fighting game community--it’s StarCraft. There’s nothing wrong with StarCraft if you enjoy it, and there’s nothing wrong with anything about eSports, but why would you want just one flavor of ice cream, you know? There’s eSports for people who like eSports, and there’s fighting games for people who like spicy food and like to have fun. There’s no reason to turn them into the same thing, you know?

You can’t go to the NBA and say “hey, I like basketball, but I don’t want them to play with a basketball, I want them to play with a football.” It just doesn’t...it doesn’t make sense to have that attitude, you know? These things are established for years. That would be like someone from the fighting game community going over to StarCraft and trying to say “hey, StarCraft, you guys are too soft, let’s start making sexual harassment jokes to each other on StarCraft.” That’s not cool, people wouldn’t like that. StarCraft isn’t like that. People would get defensive, and that’s what you’re trying to do the fighting game community, and it’s not right. It’s ethically wrong.

I know that you’re thinking “what do you know about ethics? You say racial stuff and sexist stuff.” But those are jokes and if you were really a member of the fighting game community, you would know that. You would know that these are jokes.

Rea: So, ensuring that we alienate any and all female viewers...that’s the ethical thing to do?

Bakhtanians: Well, you know, there are layers here, if you think about this. There are layers of ethics. There are people who are racist and commit hate crimes, right? And then there are people who are racist but they have tons of friends of all colors and they have deep love for those friends. Do you think those people are one and the same? Absolutely not.

StarCraft was brought up several times during the discussion of fighting games role in the larger eSports movement, specifically in regards to what lessons the community should and should not learn from its popularity.

I reached out to Bakhtanians to discuss his comments on Cross Assault, but he didn't respond.

When I contacted Capcom, I included a transcript of the relevant conversation. The company told me the cast and crew had been informed that “any inappropriate or disrespectful comments will not be tolerated during filming.”

Upon receiving the statement from Capcom, I forwarded it in full to Bakhtanians. No response.

And there is one very important fact about this whole story: Cross Assault is not a male-only event. There are two females: Team Street Fighter’s Sherry “Sherryjenix” Nhan and Team Tekken’s Miranda “Super_Yan” Pakozdi.

During the exchange, as matches raged in the background, Pakozdi chimed in about Bakhtanians’ explanation for the pervasiveness of inappropriate sexual language within fighting game culture.

“It hurts the community,” she said.

Everyone in the stream made reference to Keystone events at the San Jose Bar & Grill in San Jose, California, a spot that’s reportedly known for its more crass comments about during play. Pakozdi acknowledged it was an issue during Keystone events, but that it never went, from her perspective, over the line.

“You don’t know where the line is,” she declared.

“My point is is where I’m from, in our arcade, our line may be different than yours,” responded Bakhtanians, “but the point is that fighting games are never gonna be the same as StarCraft, it’s never gonna be the same. You can’t turn basketball into baseball, no matter what you do.”

Rea said sexual harassment was less of an issue in the StarCraft community, a point that others, including Bakhtanians, pushed back on. He conceded. Regardless, he argued, private matches can’t be controlled, but the actions of the participants and audience members raised the real concern.

Again, here’s a snippet:

Rea: When I go to MSL or MLG and someone blows up a ghost [Starcraft], does someone go “Yeah, rape that bitch!”?

[group laughter]

Bakhtanians: But, you know, Jared, you’re right. But if there was that much money being spent on Street Fighter, it wouldn’t be happening here, either, you know. There would be more rules, there would be security here, it’s not the same thing. It’s not the same thing.

Rea: When I go to SoCal regionals and I see a Phoenix [from Marvel vs. Capcom 3] on main stage getting blown up and there’s some dude in the audience just yelling “Bitch! Bitch!” every time she gets hit and then she killed and goes “Yeah, rape that bitch!” Yeah, that’s totally acceptable! Really? Really? You’re going to tell me that’s acceptable?

Bakhtanians: Look, man. What is unacceptable about that? There’s nothing unacceptable about that. These are people, we’re in America, man, this isn’t North Korea. We can say what we want. People get emotional.

There was some light discussion after this, but it mostly trailed off.

Pakozdi, who was assigned to work with Bakhtanians as part of Team Tekken, did not simply blow things off. Like many people, she signed onto Twitter and expressed disappointment over the day’s events. She eventually deleted much of her commentary, but it was captured by the same reader who tipped me off to this in the first place.

“I hope my mom isn’t disappointed with all of this shit,” reads one tweet.

“Capcom and the stream teams know and they don’t care. I just gotta wait 2 more days,” reads another.

“I’m not leaving because by contract I have to stay here 2 more days. If it were up to me I would have left long ago," she said.

Bakhtanians is a well known in the community, explaining his Cross Assault involvement.
Bakhtanians is a well known in the community, explaining his Cross Assault involvement.

I reached out to Pakozdi, but she did not respond.

Day six of Cross Assault took place yesterday. Pakozdi played, but if you start watching around eight hours and 32 minutes into the stream, where she's playing as Balrog, she doesn't even attack. She just pushes forward on the stick. This continues in the next matches, where she plays as Ken using the same "strategy."

Essentially, she's given up.

Per the rules of the show, she would then have to face off against John "Dr. Sub-Zero" Rockafeller, who was already eliminated. If he beat her in three out of five matches, he would be "revived."

Instead, she forfeited. Moments after she bowed out, Rockafeller looked over and handed his prizes over to her.

“I would like to donate everything to Super_Yan for being an angel,” he said.

Bakhtanians also contributes the website Avoiding the Puddle and the site’s associated Twitter account.

“esports,” he wrote last night.

Previously, however, he did have his own personal Twitter account. What’s listed in his bio?

“Fuck you.”

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Congratulations, comments section -- you've officially made me regret coming to Giant Bomb today! I'm pretty sure that has never happened before. Ever. I did enjoy the article, though.

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@pepsimaxofborg: That's fine when you are gaming with people who know you and understand what's in your heart when you speak. But for a young woman to enter an open competition and put up with that crap isn't the same thing.

Masturbating is a normal, healthy practice. But don't do it in public.

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@PrimevilKneivel said:

@pepsimaxofborg: That's fine when you are gaming with people who know you and understand what's in your heart when you speak. But for a young woman to enter an open competition and put up with that crap isn't the same thing.

Masturbating is a normal, healthy practice. But don't do it in public.

Now there's where I disagree. Only masturbate in public.

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Sexual harassment should never be defended, even in the context of free speech.

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@Conceited: While I'm not entirely unsympathetic to your protectiveness towards something you're passionate about, it's not Giant Bomb or Patrick's responsibility to make the Fighting Game Community look good (or bad for that matter), it's their job to report news stories. This is a news story. It was reported. End of story. Besides, a cursory glance through the GB archives revealed quite a bit of positive coverage of both the FGC and fighting games in general.

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Great article Patrick, and thank you for bringing this to light. It's extremely unfortunate that there are people who have such perverted views of what is and isn't acceptable ways of interacting with other people. You would think that, at the very least, someone could at least be moderately respectful in the way they handle themselves with others that share an enthusiasm for a hobby, but I suppose that's asking too much of some.

Much respect to Rockafeller and Pakozdi.

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I wonder how many FPS scenes are free from Sexism and Racism? I've been around the console gaming scene in general for around 15 years and I haven't really run into any, OK for TV scene. What Cross Assault and Team Spooky in particular are trying to do is valiant but I think the massive weight of the ignorance spawned by internet anonymity will probably crush it.

I could write an entire article how about how terrible people act toward each other in video gaming communities. But as someone all ready mentioned.... Who cares? In the end, even a niche that is 5-10 million people strong, is still a niche. Maybe when video games someday show up on ESPN they will completely clean up their act. Until then... This is the way it is.

Just saying, I don't respect or approve of people who act like this. But then, I don't respect or approve of a lot of things I can't do anything about. This is just another one.

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This article feels so incomplete. When you show only one side of the story, no one should judge the FGC. So the inresponsability of a immature member of the FGC make everyone look bad in the FGC. Patrick there are plenty of pro players that do not act or aprove of Aris behavior yet everyone which doesn't know anything about FGC are commenting without knowing. But whatever hopefully this article n incident will help the FGC grow. Next time try to get more information than no comment.

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Isn't the point of a reality show to capture every stupid moment and present it to the public? I can see people getting upset about this guy's awfully presented argument, but to censor people from speaking their mind on a supposed "reality" program seems antithetical to me.

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No wonder hes a bitter sad excuse of a man..just look at him. I bet most of us would hide the fact were hurting from crushing loneliness by being an asshole to everyone.

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@BeowolfSchaefer: It all stems from misogyny. He's calling him a "bitch" because he views him as "his woman." A woman that he has complete control over. Furthermore, he is viewing him as a woman that only exists to satisfy his own sexual needs.

No matter the context (unless its the 1800s and you're talking about a female dog) the word "bitch" is misogynist, used either to demean women or to insult men by comparing them to women, with the sexist idea that being a woman is a bad thing that deserves derision.

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@FateOfNever: You are right. For some reason I watched the video he linked just above it for a live stream where they discuss sexism in the fighting game community and thought that was the crux of the debate. Many of his comments in that youtube compilation are not defensible. I apologize to the GB community for defending this guy.

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@HadesTimes:

Well just because you're saying this is the way it is, doesn't excuse the fact that it can be changed. Even saying "for now" doesn't mean that we can't do something about it. You can choose to either stand idle and do nothing and nothing will change or you can choose to do something like confronting it, don't back down, and something will eventually happen.

People can start cleaning up their act now and start acting more mature. Sure, it is still going to be there, I just don't expect this from so called "professionals" and I understand that "professionals" will still talk trash, but there's a line you shouldn't cross. This guy, Aris, crossed the line.

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He sounds like he's confusing sexual harassment with trash talk. Yes, there is a lot of harsh language thrown about in competitive sports and video games. My friends and I will throw around some pretty hateful shit because we know we don't really mean it, but in more public places like this you have to watch what you say a bit more because not everyone is going to understand you're not being serious.

I'm all for people calling each other assholes and having these kinds of playful banter between them at tournaments like these, but there is still a line you shouldn't cross in public areas.

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@EchoEcho said:

Congratulations, comments section -- you've officially made me regret coming to Giant Bomb today! I'm pretty sure that has never happened before. Ever. I did enjoy the article, though.

This.

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I... I know I shouldn't make this comment. Fuck, just stop typing. This isn't going to go well... what am I doing? Don't lower the conversation to y-AAHHHHH

Why don't the girls spit the harassment back? If "sexual harassment is part of the culture," then fine; make it a stereotype that males involved in the fighting game community have micro penis. TALK ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE SMALL DICKS! THAT IS OUR GLOWING WEAK SPOT!

You're welcome.

Important Edit: Additionally, call them virgins who can't get laid and speak of how remarkably unattractive they are as a whole. This is the glowing genital triangle of weakness.

You're double-welcome.

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This shit is disgusting and unacceptable. If you're in a competition, you treat your fellow competitors with respect. I don't care if it's fighting games, SC, soccer, chess, it just doesn't matter. And on top of that? To further marginalize a community of female gamers that likely feels culturally marginalized for their choice of hobby anyway? To trivialize sexual assault? These are the worst kinds of people, and I wish the worst things in life for them.

Hiding behind "it's only trash talk" or "it's just part of the game" is fucking despicable. Let your skill do the talking, leave the bullshit at home.

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Really, portion of the giant bomb community? You honestly can support his behavior after watching the video? The guy isn't trash talking her, he is touching her uncomfortably while her attention is on the game, talking about her thighs over and over again, and directly questioning her about her cup size and making guesses as to what it might be. Those things, by definition, are things that would get a sexual harassment suit filed at any workplace.

Don't try to defend it as free speech, don't tell her to go find a different community. Don't say that it doesn't matter because he does it to guys as well. None of those things really matter, what right does he have to make her feel uncomfortable on a team that he is supposed to be responsibly coaching?

You want to know why there is still a stigma on video games, and the communities that surround them? Because the communities built around them are filled with people like this, and defend exclusionary behavior that prevent outsiders from feeling comfortable in them.

Sad to know that there are still people who would rather see it be a boy's club than change their behavior to allow other groups to belong.

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@depecheload: I understand where it stems from but language is fluid, terms take on new meaning and nuance often faster than we can perceive. Again I don't defend the shit Aris said to Yan in that youtube vid, now that I watched it (i thought the live stream archive was the issue), but I don't think a man calling a woman a bitch is dramatically different from a man calling another man a bitch or a woman calling another woman a bitch. Or for that matter a woman calling a man a bitch. It is simply a derogatory term and I don't think either gender has any more right to be offended by its use than the other.

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Speaking as an older gamer (well not that old - 27 - but playing online makes me feel ancient), this kind of stuff always makes me shake my head. Not because it's shocking: Do you really think using slurs and put downs that all end and begin with "bitch" is shocking? It's just dumb. My only advice to the girls would be keep gaming, because it'll get better. You'll find people to play with.

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@BeowolfSchaefer: Really? If you're white and you call a black person a certain six-letter word that starts with 'n,' do they have more reason to be offended than a non-black person? How is it any different with 'bitch?'

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He's just a sad jackass reveling in his safe little sycophantic world of testosterone and misogyny, being constantly reinforced, but now the doors are opening and shedding light inside. This sort of attitude will quickly become a thing of the past I'm sure of it. Bravo for people speaking out against it; more need to do so.

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I'm not saying what Aris is doing is acceptable, far from it. But anyone that has heard him commentate or anything knows he's a total asshole, it's not a secret, did they not research the people before they put them on?

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@DaBuddaDa said:
He's just a sad jackass reveling in his safe little sycophantic world of testosterone and misogyny, being constantly reinforced, but now the doors are opening and shedding light inside. This sort of attitude will quickly become a thing of the past I'm sure of it. Bravo for people speaking out against it; more need to do so.
  
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I feel... I feel like that time Superman realized he needed to team up with Lex Luthor to defeat Darkseid. That to save the world, he had to team up with the world's greatest enemy.

I... yes. It has to be done. No matter the cost.

Guys? We need Leigh Alexander to get involved in the fighting game community.

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@Duffyside: Genuis! We'll stamp out inappropriate behavior with more inappropriate behavior! Not only will that make everything better, it totally won't inspire yet more of the same in response.

Yep.

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@triviaman09: Yeah I think it is kinda different. I know I never use that word. Network television bleeps that six letter word. On the other hand bitch has become a non censored word on network television. I'm not going to say they have their finger on the pulse of the populace but if it really offends people they get would not allow it due to profit motive. I don't claim to understand why it is different but society seems to mind the term much less.

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@dael said:

This article feels so incomplete. When you show only one side of the story, no one should judge the FGC. So the inresponsability of a immature member of the FGC make everyone look bad in the FGC. Patrick there are plenty of pro players that do not act or aprove of Aris behavior yet everyone which doesn't know anything about FGC are commenting without knowing. But whatever hopefully this article n incident will help the FGC grow. Next time try to get more information than no comment.

Nah, fuck this guy. He should be called out and mocked for being an entitled manbaby.

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Thanks Patrick!

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@himalayanwombat said:

Really, portion of the giant bomb community? You honestly can support his behavior after watching the video? The guy isn't trash talking her, he is touching her uncomfortably while her attention is on the game, talking about her thighs over and over again, and directly questioning her about her cup size and making guesses as to what it might be. Those things, by definition, are things that would get a sexual harassment suit filed at any workplace.

Don't try to defend it as free speech, don't tell her to go find a different community. Don't say that it doesn't matter because he does it to guys as well. None of those things really matter, what right does he have to make her feel uncomfortable on a team that he is supposed to be responsibly coaching?

You want to know why there is still a stigma on video games, and the communities that surround them? Because the communities built around them are filled with people like this, and defend exclusionary behavior that prevent outsiders from feeling comfortable in them.

Sad to know that there are still people who would rather see it be a boy's club than change their behavior to allow other groups to belong.

I agree with you, but at the same time, I think we also need to show love to the people who ARE doing it right. That MLG doesn't tolerate that bullshit should be commended. It's not enough to tell the offenders that they're wrong. We have to cheer the good guys too.

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People damning an entire community for the views of one man, more FOX news at 11.

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@North6 said:

@dael said:

This article feels so incomplete. When you show only one side of the story, no one should judge the FGC. So the inresponsability of a immature member of the FGC make everyone look bad in the FGC. Patrick there are plenty of pro players that do not act or aprove of Aris behavior yet everyone which doesn't know anything about FGC are commenting without knowing. But whatever hopefully this article n incident will help the FGC grow. Next time try to get more information than no comment.

Nah, fuck this guy. He should be called out and mocked for being an entitled manbaby.

Agreed. He makes the rest of the community look horrible with that caveman attitude. Don't forget his "treatment" of Kayopolice during EVO 2011.

If the FGC isn't willing to toss him aside, it deserves 100% to be cast in the same lot.

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@wickedsc3 said:

@Bummey said:

@wickedsc3 said:

@Bummey said:

@wickedsc3 said:

I'm going to go to one of these are yell "rape that Ni**er!!!!

What the fuck is your damage?

Haven't you heard? That is what the community is like and he said it was ok to say what you want.

So you choose to perpetuate the status quo? You're the worst kind of person. Even if you're joking, that's a fucking terrible joke and you should be ashamed of yourself.

He even said that shouting out "I'm going to rape that bitch" was part of the community of fighting games. Obviously I was joking, I was pointing out the fact that if I went and yelled that out I'm sure any African Americans would take offense. So why is ok to say "I'm going to rape that bitch" when there are women in attendance? Obviously I think that the guy saying that sexist comments are just part of the culture is fucking stupid. Everyone should be able to go and compete and not be uncomfortable.

Just because some other ignorant fuckwad with a stupid beard says it doesn't mean it's okay for you to say anything you want, even in jest. Even as a "lol I'm going to post about this on the internet for a laugh" joke. Especially if it involves you calling someone a nigger, you colossal bigot.

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I'm not going to defend anything Aris said. I would never treat anyone, male or female in that way. The only time I have seen the FGC covered on giantbomb is an article in July mentioning EVO and MLG finals, that was in July.

I wrote a message to Patrick and Alex about cross assault, asking if they would be writing something on the site about members of a community (specifically Team Spooky and IPW, who have run free streams for the FGC for years) having a chance to work with a developer on something unique. Or an article talking about how cool it is that 10 people who love capcom fighters have a chance to win 25,000$ from the developer! Instead they didn't cover it, until this controversial story.

Where are the giantbomb articles praising the good things in the community like Justin Wong winning the first two majors on the road to evo season this year in both SSF4 and MVC3? I can see feel good doublefine storys about yay the community came together for doublefine, but not yay capcom is reaching out to their community? It is inconsistent.

We all have our opinions, I can respect yours and I understand where you are coming from. As someone that was hoping giantbomb could cover the competitive scene in more detail for the past few years with, Jeff understanding fighters more than the average reviewer. It upsets me that I see nothing about it for months until something like this happens, because 99% of the FGC are amazing people.

Giantbomb should either cover competitive gaming, or leave it alone altogether, and I can see my Evo story once a year here.

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@Vorbis: The issue for me is that he sat in a room full of people who didn't say a word to him about his behavior. If he can get away with acting this way on a live stream, in a room full of other people, what are the odds that he acts any different when the cameras aren't there? Furthermore, what are the odds that his views don't represent a good size of the fighting game community? Hell, just look at this thread if you need examples of people supporting his behavior.

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Well, this dude is a schmuck. Wonderful, when folks use "this is America not North Korea" to justify being a waste. You have the right to be a bigot apparently means you're obligated to exercise that right, and expect zero brushback; especially when playing video games with your energy-drink-chuggin', mom's-basement-livin', bros. Not sure why liking a video-game and being an idiot are intrinsically related?

Also, in my opinion, Giant Bomb is the only gaming sight that qualifies as a provider of journalism.

Hope that dude, who is clearly in his thirties, has fun running with a crowd of people he describes as 15-20 year olds. I hope someone feed him a fight stick, rectally.

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I'm pretty sure a lot of what was said on that YouTube video came from the stream chat. I am no fan of aris but the stream chats on these events are simply awful. The real problem is the fighting community itself, not just aris. I love playing these games in the local Milwaukee scene but the comments made in stream chats on most events are just repulsive.

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I feel really bad when sexual harassment stuff comes up in places I like because it shows me that no matter how great I THINK a scene is, there's a lot of idiots in it trying to justify sexism and misogyny.

This comment section is no different.

Also to those saying that we need to stop blaming the whole fighting community, that's somewhat valid. The scene is obviously hostile to women and anyone saying otherwise is lying, but to be fair it could easily be argued that the gaming scene, hell the entire INTERNET is shitty towards women. Don't take that as me advocating the attitude of "well there's worse stuff going on out there so why make this a big deal." If this makes people more aware of how casual and normalized this stuff has become, the better. We SHOULD be making a big deal out of shit like this.

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Fuck that guy, bullies suck.

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Where was the recording of SherryJenix on Team Street Fighter side talking to ILJoe about this. Sherry said that other people from Team Tekken side told Aris to stop. Sherry also told Miranda to straight up tell Aris to fuck off, but Miranda never did.

http://www.twitch.tv/thisislijoe/b/309985394 @ 5:32:12 This where SherryJenix talked to ILJoe discussing about the show and Miranda. The conversion ends at 5:41:35.

and of course this comment will be ignored.

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@Toug said:

The guys argument that "Sexual Harassment is to Street Fighter, as A BASKETBALL is to THE GAME OF BASKETBALL" pretty clearly lays out how completely moronic the guy is presenting himself.

Sexual harassment is not okay. That's why is has the word "harassment" in it.

That comparison takes the cake.

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@elliottfr said:

Well, this dude is a schmuck. Wonderful, when folks use "this is America not North Korea" to justify being a waste. You have the right to be a bigot apparently means you're obligated to exercise that right, and expect zero brushback; especially when playing video games with your energy-drink-chuggin', mom's-basement-livin', bros. Not sure why liking a video-game and being an idiot are intrinsically related?

Also, in my opinion, Giant Bomb is the only gaming sight that qualifies as a provider of journalism.

Hope that dude, who is clearly in his thirties, has fun running with a crowd of people he describes as 15-20 year olds. I hope someone feed him a fight stick, rectally.

He was saying the scene is 15 to 20 years old.

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@SpudBug said:

I'm pretty sure a lot of what was said on that YouTube video came from the stream chat. I am no fan of aris but the stream chats on these events are simply awful. The real problem is the fighting community itself, not just aris. I love playing these games in the local Milwaukee scene but the comments made in stream chats on most events are just repulsive.

Part of why I stopped watching fighting games. I got SOO hyped during EVO, but future tournaments turned me off, particularly with their profane communities, both the stream monsters and the commentators.

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@user_1: You've certainly missed some stories and videos. There have been EVO related stories and videos. The one about Noah for example is worth checking out. The Big Live Live Show Live featured Noah on it showing off his gaming skills and talking about EVO.

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This is why I'm into poverty fighting games. You never see this shit on FinestKO. :P

Also, it's probably been mentioned before, but one guy =/= a whole community. He's still an ass, though.

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People fighting while playing fighting games. Here come the irony police! wwoooOOOOOH

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my god he's annoying. Fighting games bring the worst out of you.

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@Duffyside said:

I feel... I feel like that time Superman realized he needed to team up with Lex Luthor to defeat Darkseid. That to save the world, he had to team up with the world's greatest enemy.

I... yes. It has to be done. No matter the cost.

Guys? We need Leigh Alexander to get involved in the fighting game community.

Oh my God. I...am trying to picture how that would end. All I see is death.

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I am a member of the FGC in that I am what they call a stream monster and have been for years. I play the games causally but don't enter tournaments but I watch every one I can. I know Aris through that manner. He has always been a person who uses crude humor, it's his schtick. He's not really a bad guy. In fact, most people will say he is quite nice past the exterior. Now it does not excuse his actions but there are two things to consider here you are oblivious to.

First of all, Aris was hired as the coach for Team Tekken because of his persona. They wanted drama, it's a reality show, they even have a segment called "the salt mines" where they interview the losing player. Salt as in tears. They knew what they were getting when they hired Aris and had he not have acted his part then why hire him?

Second, SuperYan did not tell Aris it bothered her and to stop. Sherry, the other female on the show, said in an interview just such and that had she told Aris to stop he would have. Aris thought she was cool with it. He did it for drama and ratings and thought Superyan was ok with it. Aris may be sexist for real but you can not discern it from this incident. And to be honest I'm inpartial to the guy so it's not like I really care to defend him but let's get the whole truth out there if you're gonna cover a story. Both sides, full picture, not just one.

By the way to the guy mentioning his actions to Kayo-police. Just know Kayo-police is a guy. Again that may not excuse things but it shows he was joking because Aris is not homosexual. The FGC's humor is crude to be sure and it crosses the line from time to time and this may be such an incident but it's being overblown.