Am I screwed with Pyromancy now?

#1 Posted by roflawlmao (5 posts) -

Killed the guy in front of the sister chick on accident, sent the pyromancy trainer away to study the chaos fireball, and I have a level +9 pyromancy flame. No Queleena appearing either. This is frustrating.

#2 Edited by CptBedlam (4453 posts) -

Kill Queelag, find the secret wall behind her lair. There's a covenant there with an npc that teaches pyromancy (it's the guy blocking the way, don't attack him!). Level up your pyromancy there, Quelana will probably appear later on ... I think no one really has found out yet what exactly makes her appear (or not).

What guy in front of the Rhea did you kill? One of her bodyguards or the guy who stood there since the beginning? Either way, you're not missing much. You'll be fine.

#3 Edited by NekuCTR (1663 posts) -

You did miss out on a lot of spells, yes, but piromancers aren't meant to be dedicated magic users since their skills don't scale with or even require intelligence or faith. If you did invest in these consider being a sorcerer or a cleric. Otherwise try to acclimate to a combat class.

#4 Posted by roflawlmao (5 posts) -

To the first response: That's the guy I accidentally killed.

And yeah, I can just do combat but man, that's unfortunate.

I'm sure I can't be the only one who thought that guy was a monster and then said Yes to the first trainer going off to Blighttown.

#5 Posted by benspyda (2035 posts) -

As long as your combat build is decent you should be able to get through easy enough without it. I rarely used Pyromancy my first playthrough. Then NG+ they will all be back again, yay!

#6 Posted by CptBedlam (4453 posts) -

Nah, you can still get the best Pyromancy spells. Out of the useful spells, you only missed Iron Flesh which isn't even that good anymore since the latest patch.

#7 Posted by roflawlmao (5 posts) -

Except for the part where the only pyromancy trainer isn't appearing and I have a +9 pyromancy flame opposed to +10 which the internet tells me is required for Quelaana to appear.

#8 Edited by CptBedlam (4453 posts) -

@roflawlmao said:

Except for the part where the only pyromancy trainer isn't appearing and I have a +9 pyromancy flame opposed to +10 which the internet tells me is required for Quelaana to appear.

It was believed to be the requirement for a while but she appeared for people that had less than +10 pyromancy - for me, too, on my first playthrough btw. I didn't know about any of the stuff and the pyromancy guy disappeared when I had my hand upgraded to +3 or so and she eventually appeared.

Also, just go to the other pyromancy guy behind Queelag, level up your pyromancy there and see if she appears.

Just continue playing, stop reading guides and wondering about what you missed. That's the worst way to experience this game. Save the guided experience for your second playthrough. ;)

#9 Posted by benspyda (2035 posts) -

I didn't upgrade my glove at all and she appeared. Actually I didn't have a glove at all and couldn't do anything with her at all until I got one off that guy. I have no idea what the trigger is for her to appear.

#10 Edited by CptBedlam (4453 posts) -

@benspyda said:

I have no idea what the trigger is for her to appear.

No one really knows yet but it's definitely not the "+10 upgrade" thing. I think it has to do with defeating Queelag and maybe discovering the Chaos covenant. Maybe you have to do one of several possible things that trigger her.

#11 Posted by roflawlmao (5 posts) -

The pyromancy guy behind Queelag is the one I accidentally killed lol.

#12 Edited by CptBedlam (4453 posts) -

@roflawlmao said:

The pyromancy guy behind Queelag is the one I accidentally killed lol.

How many NPCs did you accidently kill? Sorry, at some point it's your fault.

#13 Posted by roflawlmao (5 posts) -

Just that one and then said yes to the first pyro trainer going away not understanding the implications

#14 Edited by CptBedlam (4453 posts) -

@roflawlmao said:

Just that one

edit: Ah okay, you were talking about this guy ... I though you meant the miracle guy at Firelink (and by "sister" I thought you meant Rhea praying next to him).

Well yeah, uhm. Just see if Quelaana appears (pretty sure she will eventually)... then you're good. Queelags sister has the best pyromancies (level up Chaos covenant with 30 humanity). Another nice spell is located in the Painted World.

#15 Posted by AndyD74 (169 posts) -

I've found Quelaana before fighting Quelaag.

#16 Edited by MuttersomeTaxicab (668 posts) -

@AndyD74 said:

I've found Quelaana before fighting Quelaag.

Same. That Greater Combustion spell is a godsend in PvP.

Admittedly, my Pyromancy glove is upgraded to something like +12

#17 Posted by AndyD74 (169 posts) -

Myself, I enjoy the Great Chaos Fireball. Get it by joining the Chaos Covenant. I've melted many invaders with it.

#18 Posted by MuttersomeTaxicab (668 posts) -

Yeah, that's next on my list, soon's I kill Quelaag.

#19 Posted by AndyD74 (169 posts) -

The only thing that sucks about it is that it takes up two attunement slots. But, it is very powerful with the +5 upgrade. Lava damage ftw!

#20 Posted by MuttersomeTaxicab (668 posts) -

Hmmm. I imagine I should probably pump up my attunement a little bit. Since meeting up with Quelana I seem to have stockpiled a metric assload of pyromancies I really want to roll with.

#21 Posted by golguin (3940 posts) -

@roflawlmao said:

Except for the part where the only pyromancy trainer isn't appearing and I have a +9 pyromancy flame opposed to +10 which the internet tells me is required for Quelaana to appear.

I can tell you that is 100% wrong. I had her appear way before I was at +10. I used Quelaana to max out my glove. I first saw her when I was a human with about 5 humanity on my counter. I was on my way to fight Qualaag with two phantoms and she was sitting right there at the pillar. I talked to her and she said something about being surprised I could see her.

#22 Posted by Chippy180 (161 posts) -

@roflawlmao: Supposedly if you join the Chaos Maiden covenant(Quelaag's sister) and get a chaos pyromancy Quelaana will appear. Give that a go and let me know how it fares!

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