David Jaffe is NOT an idiot

#1 Posted by buzz_killington (3532 posts) -

  

  

I was always under the impression that David Jaffe is an idiot who is in love with himself. Well, not anymore! Here, He actually breaks down the concept of choice in games really intelligently, and defends linearity in games. It is a raelly intresting Bonus Round episode since one of the BioWare dudes is there too, and it is really cool to hear both schools of thought on this matter.

#2 Posted by ArchScabby (5809 posts) -

David Jaffe IS an idiot.

#3 Posted by Andorski (5365 posts) -

David Jaffe is just cocky.  You don't go and help make two classic video game franchises by being dumb as a rock though.

#4 Posted by Whisperkill (2969 posts) -
@ArchScabby said:
" David Jaffe IS an idiot. "
indeed, he's also a douchebag
#5 Posted by MAN_FLANNEL (2462 posts) -
@buzz_killington: You mean he defended the linear games he makes?  That makes him not love himself? Wut?
#6 Posted by TurboMan (7724 posts) -

I love everything Jaffe says, if I agree with it or not, it's always entertaining.

#7 Posted by Brendan (8121 posts) -

People get so offended by the guy, but he has alot of interesting opinions, and he has the pedigree to back them up.  Insecure nerds hate seeing someone who is really confident in themself, which David Jaffe is.
#8 Edited by MAN_FLANNEL (2462 posts) -
@ArchScabby said:

" David Jaffe IS an idiot. "

At least he isn't as big of a dumbass as this guy.
#9 Posted by Xtrememuffinman (958 posts) -

He's a dick, but a cool dick.

#10 Posted by ArbitraryWater (12102 posts) -

David Jaffe isn't an idiot. He is however, in love with himself and is a jerkface as a result.

#11 Posted by jkz (4058 posts) -

I like me some Jaffe; even when I don't agree with him (which is quite often), I always like to hear what he has to say.

#12 Posted by NoXious (1353 posts) -

I totally understand Jaffe's defense, I just personally don't play a game for a 'linear' story to create an amazing character.
If I wanted that I'd read a book, the best thing about a videogame is the fact it's interactive. My choices should be interactive too.

#13 Posted by Gabriel (4081 posts) -

I don't know that Heartland thing was pretty dumb, I mean an FPS where you kill Chinese immigrants on the PSP, an FPS on the PSP....  
 

#14 Posted by spankingaddict (2735 posts) -

David Jaffe is a genius. he made God of War!!!!

#15 Posted by fishmicmuffin (1044 posts) -

He sounded like a douchebag at the end of that, but I kind of agree with him. I don't want to slap people in Mass Effect 3. I want it to be a more refined ME2. That would be awesome. Not some Natal bullshit.

#16 Posted by Milkman (17308 posts) -

David Jaffe is far from an idiot. But he might be insane.

#17 Posted by h83r (470 posts) -

  Dude, correct me if I'm wrong, but Jaffe totally didn't drop the f-bomb or any other type of bomb that entire segment. What are the chances that he stays curse free through the entire episode? 
 
Seriously though, I feel that there's a place in video gaming for both linear games like God of War and RPG's like Mass Effect. There's no reason why one gere has to go away and the other has to become the de facto way to make games. Me personally, I love the fact that my friends and I can discuss how badass Kratos and Ezio are, and by the same token we also spent hours on end discussing how we became Shepard and how we interacted with the characters and the world. 
 
As for the show itself, I think that all three guests had immensely insightful things to say without sounding biased towards their point of view. It felt like a light-hearted discussion and I'm really interested to see the rest of that episode.    

#18 Posted by Daroki (717 posts) -
@MAN_FLANNEL said:
" @ArchScabby said:

" David Jaffe IS an idiot. "

At least he isn't as big of a dumbass as this guy.
"
Hey, that's NOT a picture of Bobby Kotick, what gives?
#19 Posted by LiquidPrince (16157 posts) -

He isn't an idiot at all. He just likes speaking his mind.

#20 Posted by Gabriel (4081 posts) -
@Daroki said:
" @MAN_FLANNEL said:
" @ArchScabby said:

" David Jaffe IS an idiot. "

At least he isn't as big of a dumbass as this guy.
"
Hey, that's NOT a picture of Bobby Kotick, what gives? "
It's his son.
#21 Posted by Daroki (717 posts) -
@Gabriel said:
" @Daroki said:
" @MAN_FLANNEL said:
" @ArchScabby said:

" David Jaffe IS an idiot. "

At least he isn't as big of a dumbass as this guy.
"
Hey, that's NOT a picture of Bobby Kotick, what gives? "
It's his son. "
Please tell me it was in vitro fertilisation.  Otherwise it would mean that someone... and Kotick... oh god, the world is ending.  
#22 Posted by Gabriel (4081 posts) -
@Daroki said:

" @Gabriel said:

" @Daroki said:
" @MAN_FLANNEL said:
" @ArchScabby said:

" David Jaffe IS an idiot. "

At least he isn't as big of a dumbass as this guy.
"
Hey, that's NOT a picture of Bobby Kotick, what gives? "
It's his son. "
Please tell me it was in vitro fertilisation.  Otherwise it would mean that someone... and Kotick... oh god, the world is ending.   "
Don't worry it wasn't with a person 
 
#23 Posted by RobotHamster (4177 posts) -

I don't think he's an idiot...

#24 Edited by Jambones (1696 posts) -
@Milkman said:

" David Jaffe is far from an idiot. But he might be insane. "

Haha. I appreciate and enjoy Jaffe's outspoken nature. I might not agree with everything he says, but the man has an intelligent, well-thought out opinion and presents it in a compelling manner.
#25 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -

Jaffe has a point.  Games are often distilled down to whichever option selections give the best results so his take on interactivity infringing on exposition is more often than not true.  That said I don't think that's a defense of linearity because games like DA : O and Mass Effect prove that you can have non linearity and still extremely solid exposition in the same game, I think it's more of an attack on those game (and designers) who choose to add interactivity for its own sake, rather than making it a slipstreamed element of the overall gameplay.  Many Wii games tend to suffer from this issue where the motion controls stand out like sore thumbs whilst not actually adding to the overall playability or immersion of the games which feature them. 

#26 Posted by buzz_killington (3532 posts) -
@MAN_FLANNEL:
Rubin is not an idiot.
#27 Edited by Raspinudo (265 posts) -

Haha, were watching a show with geoff keighley, and talking about jaffe being an idiot?  
I think Jaffe is awesome, for the simple fact that he sticks to his opinion and has no problem being outspoken about it. 
 
edit: Also, N'Gai Croal is just dumb. I lost all respect for him when he was bashing RE5 for being racist, when we saw no spanish journalists bashing RE4.

#28 Posted by odintal (1095 posts) -

I don't like the guy. Seems like a big douche bag of Dane Cook proportions. 

#29 Edited by jakob187 (21755 posts) -

Show of hands:  how many of you even watched that fucking video?  *raises hand* 
 
Good, then we can all realize that it was some 15 minutes or so of Dr. Greg getting jerked off by this N'Gui dood, while Jaffe sat there silent for the most part.  If anything, it almost seems like Jaffe was the black sheep in that little quartet, as every time he started talking, he was being interrupted with some stupid joke that Dr. Greg wanted to make or some other bullshit. 
 
Jaffe made great points about why linearity is a good thing.  With linearity, Alan Wake wouldn't have been Alan Wake, God of War wouldn't have been God of War, Final Fantasy wouldn't be Final Fantasy.  Even with Mass Effect as a franchise, you are making choices that are still based around this linear story of major plot points.  There IS a fine balancing act that has to be done, and Jaffe made that point very well and spot-on. 
 
I think he also made an EXCELLENT point about the idea of pure interaction.  Regardless of how immersive the experience could be, it is STILL a gameplay mechanic...and at some point, those gameplay mechanics are not going to work properly, and it will merely become inputs.  The idea of motion controls in the manner that Kinect is looking to make them work can be very dangerous for the gaming industry if it is handled incorrectly.
 
So to say that he's some cocky guy or has a chip on his shoulder or thinks his shit don't stink... 
 
Look, the guy has made nothing but successful games.  If anything, watching that segment, Dr. Greg acted like his shit didn't stink.  Meanwhile, Jaffe acted like his shit stank, but that he knew even his shit could sell a million copies.

#30 Posted by Zero_ (1977 posts) -
@jakob187: Totally. Jaffe offers some great insight in that video. 
 
Also, notice the smirk reaction from Keighly and Jaffe when he mentions "unannounced PS3 Title" heh...
#31 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -

He's like a 7 year old. Make a special announcement to say what you're not doing, then do the opposite. Then pat yourself on the back, so clever. "I'm not making Kenetica 2 uguys. I made a special announcement to say what I'm not making. PSYCH GOT U LOL"

#32 Posted by Jet_Speedway (13 posts) -
@ArchScabby said:
" David Jaffe IS an idiot. "
laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame!!!!
#33 Posted by TwoOneFive (9459 posts) -

he never lied about twisted metal, he just said "i WISH i was making twisted metal"  
 
and so what, how else do you keep it under wraps. 

#34 Posted by Emilio (3380 posts) -

He's a really smart guy, and  I respect him for what he's done for the industry. 

#35 Posted by Scrumdidlyumptious (1641 posts) -

There was so much Dr. Greg fellating in that video. It didn't take long for it to degenerate into a circle jerk over Mass Effect. David Jaffe had some really good points that were drowned out by the threesome.

#36 Posted by ArchScabby (5809 posts) -
@Jet_Speedway said:
" @ArchScabby said:
" David Jaffe IS an idiot. "
laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame!!!! "
You're right, replying to a stupid post I made 3 months ago is pretty lame.

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