Too much hacking :(

#1 Posted by LemonJoose (52 posts) -

Is anyone else finding the hacking to be a bit of a PITA?  Level 1 hacking was easy and fun.  Level 2 could get a but frustrating, but level 3 and I am ready to give up.  Kind of sorry I have put points into hacking since it is such a pain in the ass.

#2 Posted by yinstarrunner (1218 posts) -

Is it a PITA because you keep tripping alarms and getting caught?  If so, it's definitely worth it to put points into the "stealth hacking" tree.  It's only 1 point to start off, unlike other augs, so it's not too much of an investment and it definitely pays dividends.
#3 Posted by picklecannon (265 posts) -

I've honestly had no problems hacking at all at any point in the game... I actually kind of enjoy it. At the end of the game I was sitting at around 20 stop worms and 40 nuke viruses. Hacking stealth is pretty vital in making it as painless as possible, and fortify is also pretty useful, especially on lower level nodes. Getting +3 defenses on just your main node gives you like 10 extra seconds on a level 1 and 2 terminal. Also sometimes the enemy node is really close by and when you hack the enemy node you automatically win (and get every bonus) so sometimes it's a lot faster to just go for the enemy instead of everything else.

#4 Posted by shamroll (145 posts) -

If you max the stealth hacking tree (45% reduction in detection) only level 4 and 5 will give you any risk of failing and even those can be overcome with the nukes you get from the lower level stuff. 
 
But I do agree there is a TON of hacking.  I must of spent 1/4 of every level hacking.  The rest was spent trying to stealth, killing everything once I failed at stealth, and traversal.

#5 Posted by LemonJoose (52 posts) -
@picklecannon: Since I read that it's possible to capture the enemy start node, almost all the hack puzzles I've seen seem to have only one-way bridges out of he Diagnostic Subroutine.  I am waiting for a puzzle to come along to try that tactic on.
#6 Posted by Buscemi (1106 posts) -

I am planning on going all out with the hacking stuff. Just spend points on everything hacking.

#7 Posted by Marz (5658 posts) -

Hacking is too easy.  I think i had about 40 nuke virus's available near the end of the game because that's how much i had to use them.  Stealth hacking augment definitely makes hacking higher level nodes a non issue.

#8 Posted by Vinny_Says (5719 posts) -

By the end I was just skipping all the rooms because I was too lazy to hack. Sad part is I had accumulated 12 nuke Viruses and had 10 AUD's

#9 Posted by Infininja (881 posts) -

Not to be inflammatory, but are you playing on console? It looks a lot harder without a mouse.

#10 Posted by LemonJoose (52 posts) -
@Infininja: Yes, I'm playing the 360 version, and can see how hacking would be easier with a mouse.  A mouse would be especially useful for when you want to launch a bunch of captures/fortifys all at the same time.  Plus, to keep the network map zoomed out so you can see more of it, you have to keep the right trigger pressed, which can make things awkward when you are rushing around from node to node after the timer starts ticking.
#11 Posted by 2HeadedNinja (1671 posts) -

I'm actually kind of enjoying it ... it's certainly more interesting than most hacking/lockpick minigames and, to be fair, there is a way around it almost every time if you look for passwords etc.

#12 Posted by niamahai (1405 posts) -

lol why even bother to fortify? 
 
just be capturin ALL DAY LONG!

#13 Posted by Jiggah (308 posts) -
@LemonJoose
You can capture an enemy node.  It'll automatically get any treasures for the hack map.
#14 Posted by 137 (481 posts) -

@Infininja said:

Not to be inflammatory, but are you playing on console? It looks a lot harder without a mouse.

not when you accidentally use your stop or nuke virus just trying to normally click a point while that clock is ticking down lol.

#15 Posted by TheDudeOfGaming (6078 posts) -

Wait until you get to level 5 :D
But it's not that hard, you just have to be fast. Try to start capturing as many nodes at the same time as you can. Also nukes and worms are your friends.

#16 Posted by OtakuGamer (1261 posts) -

The hacking itself is no problem, heck it's a bit too easy. What annoys me is that some asshole manages to find me a mile away whilst I’m hacking.

"Ok, nearly done..."

"Oi, you!"

"FUCK"

#17 Posted by GorillaMoPena (2215 posts) -

It annoys me when I sneak past a guard, hack the door to the room, then hack the computer inside that room only to get spam or emails I already read.

#18 Posted by GrandMarshal (389 posts) -

There are way too many computers to hack, I cant make myself just ignore them ='[

#19 Posted by Binman88 (3689 posts) -

Even just activating the stealth hacking upgrade will make it so much easier. You just have to be quick and always be on the lookout for worms and nukes when it's possible to grab them. I actually really like the whole hacking part of the game, and think it's much more than "decent", as described on the podcast.

#20 Posted by Obsidian (346 posts) -

I think the hacking is pretty nice and I hack everything I can. I can see how it wouldn't be so good without a mouse though.

#21 Edited by Karkarov (3178 posts) -

Hacking is actually a real strategy+skill investment system in this game and personally I love it.  In the beginning when all I had was the hacking  "levels" it was hard to hack anything over level 2.  Now I have max hacking stealth and am one level shy of max hacking fortification and I have captured level 3 hacks without the computer even detecting me at all.  Level 5 and 4 can still be challenging but they are now very doable.  Especially when you use strategy and plan your route, don't be fooled into going for the goal or datastores right off.  Half the time there is a low risk path leading to nodes that can slow the pc detection down, make the nodes you need to capture lower level, or lots of other things that can help you.  Getting those first and early always makes the difference on a tough hack.
 
EDIT: hacking is easier with a mouse but I still play on a gamepad with PC and once you get used to it the gamepad works fine for hacking.  You just have to be fast once you are detected and plan route attack before you make the first move.

#22 Posted by GetEveryone (4455 posts) -

 
You can hack... more than one node.... at a time?  

 
*rages*

#23 Posted by HydraHam (1338 posts) -

Although i find the game to have way way way way way too many hacking scenarios i am actually good at it, it's easy and fun (just put points into hacking and it will be a breeze) and this is coming from someone who couldn't beat the first level of Alpha Protocol cause i couldn't finish the hacking part.

Or goto IGN and look at the Deus Ex Wiki and just use the codes/passwords.

#24 Edited by Napalm (9020 posts) -

Fortifying will kill you and make things difficult. If you look at the base node it's always at least a 70% detection, so you're better off just capturing other nodes. If you have the Hack Stealth augment, it greatly decreases detection rates, as long as you don't fortify.

#25 Posted by SoldierG654342 (1786 posts) -

It's cyberpunk. Comes with the territory. 

#26 Posted by KillyDarko (1888 posts) -

I'm gonna be honest here, I love the hacking system. I've been finding myself compulsively hacking everything I can :)

#27 Posted by misterhaan (227 posts) -

i almost always hack now that i have hack and hack stealth fully upgraded, even if i have the code / password.  before i was upgraded i usually did it unless i had the code / password.  i can't pass up whatever might be in the hidden datastores or behind the locked door or in somebody's e-mail.  of course when all that's there is the nigerian e-mail scam it's kind of disappointed, but it does get me experience points so at least there's that :)
 
my strategy is to slowly hack one node at a time until it starts trying to trace me, then i simultaneously capture as many nodes at once as i can and fortify starting from the furthest captured node from my entry point and work backward.  i usually save before attempting a hack just in case i set off an alarm and never use stop or nuke on my first attempt.
 
i don't understand why it shows a number of attempts left that never goes down though -- i hacked a level 3 something or other before i'd upgraded hack stealth and got it on my 5th try...

#28 Posted by ChaosDent (234 posts) -

@misterhaan: If you keep quicksaving and quickloading the number of attempts will not go down... If you disconnect before the trace completes it does consume one of your attempts. If you run out of attempts you will be locked out for 30 seconds. It's possible those attempts regenerate every 30 seconds without a visible timer.

#29 Posted by misterhaan (227 posts) -
@ChaosDent said:

@misterhaan: If you keep quicksaving and quickloading the number of attempts will not go down... If you disconnect before the trace completes it does consume one of your attempts. If you run out of attempts you will be locked out for 30 seconds. It's possible those attempts regenerate every 30 seconds without a visible timer.

there's a quicksave / quickload?  i've been going to the menu and manually saving every time i wanted to save, then getting myself killed to load latest save.
 
i've never disconnected from hacking -- i either get through or the trace gets me, at which point i'm locked out for 30 seconds regardless of how many attempts it said i should have had.
#30 Posted by Binman88 (3689 posts) -
@misterhaan said:
@ChaosDent said:

@misterhaan: If you keep quicksaving and quickloading the number of attempts will not go down... If you disconnect before the trace completes it does consume one of your attempts. If you run out of attempts you will be locked out for 30 seconds. It's possible those attempts regenerate every 30 seconds without a visible timer.

there's a quicksave / quickload?  i've been going to the menu and manually saving every time i wanted to save, then getting myself killed to load latest save.  i've never disconnected from hacking -- i either get through or the trace gets me, at which point i'm locked out for 30 seconds regardless of how many attempts it said i should have had.
@ChaosDent has it slightly wrong. If you disconnect before you're traced, the counter goes down. If you let the trace get you, it will kick you out and make you wait 30 seconds before trying again. After the 30 seconds the counter resets. I've never had it happen to me, but I think if you use up all your attempts, you'll be hit with that 30 second wait - the whole point of the multiple attempts is to let you try again straight away.
#31 Posted by magimix (55 posts) -

@GetEveryone said:

You can hack... more than one node.... at a time? *rages*

Don't beat yourself up; took me a fair while to cotton on to that fact too :-) That said, the hacking in this game really has grown on me a lot. You have to give a bit of thought to it - especially if you cannot resists the lure of additional datastores! But the game doesn't punish you if you don't want to bother with the hacking too much - if you have the creds, you can just nab some of those terminal override grenade things.

#32 Posted by thetenthdoctor (291 posts) -

I wish I could take back the Praxis I spent on Fortify before I really understood the hacking. Napalm is right- just go straight to capture, using Nuke on any high % directories that are far away from the goal if you're worried about getting caught.

#33 Posted by Lukeweizer (2706 posts) -

I wasn't sure if you were upset by the statement in the title. That god you used a series of characters to form a frowny face.

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