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How Smart Uncharted Fans Changed Naughty Dog's Game

The community was riled up about changes in Uncharted 3, articulated their problems, and were invited to the studio to help Naughty Dog fix them.

Uncharted 2 introduced the series to multiplayer, and like Assassin's Creed, it worked surprisingly well.
Uncharted 2 introduced the series to multiplayer, and like Assassin's Creed, it worked surprisingly well.

The video game industry sits still for no man, and developers are constantly asked to shift, evolve, and innovate to remain on top. Fans do not accept every change with open arms, and the increased connectivity of communities, fostered by the sharp increase of community managers who try to keep their fingers on the pulse, means developers are listening more than ever.

Arne Meyer is the liaison at Naughty Dog between the community who adores the games coming from the Sony-owned studio and the developers who spend years creating these lavish, spectacle-laden video games.

One of the strange disconnects was the gunplay feeling different between single and multiplayer.
One of the strange disconnects was the gunplay feeling different between single and multiplayer.

It’s up to Meyer to figure out when the community is making a serious point and pass it on. He started to suspect they were in the last few weeks, immediately following the launch of Uncharted 3: Drake’s Deception. The community started to raise concerns about changes made to the gunplay since the release of 2009’s Uncharted 2: Among Thieves.

The debate started on their own forums at naughtydog.com, and quickly spread to the popular gaming message board NeoGAF.

“They felt that Uncharted 2 really had the aiming down, had the gunplay down correctly, so they were trying to dissect what was happening there,” he said.

The key word here is “dissect.” It’s one thing to complain, it’s another to structurally break down what makes the game tick, ripping apart the design logic, and attempting to understand what was causing the feeling of disconnect between Uncharted 2 and Uncharted 3. Players were looking at dead zone, velocity and stick aiming changes without any first-hand knowledge.

“A lot of what we were seeing was people driving themselves nuts trying to figure out what it was, and a lot of theories were coming out, so we wanted to make sure that we clarified that,” said Meyer.

Players were uploading videos with commentary, drawing up graphs explaining their theories--clearly, a scale had been tipped.

Meyer sat down with game director Justin Richmond and multiplayer programmer Travis McIntosh to sketch out the changes made for Uncharted 3. He pulled people from both sides because the community was saying the issue was specifically related to singleplayer. The result was a blog post on Naughty Dog's site that Meyer hoped would help fans settle to Uncharted 3.

It didn’t work, so it was back to the drawing board.

“We took some time to investigate that internally because, again, we knew we’d made changes, but in all of our focus testing--probably about three months of straight focus testing--we never got any feedback the aiming was unsatisfactory to those people,” he said. “And for us, it’s very hard. I mean, obviously because we’ve played around with this, so whatever we had internally we’d get used to very quickly.”

Both Naughty Dog and Naughty Dog’s fans were banging their heads against the wall at this point. Meyer threw out the idea of bringing some fans into the actual studio to better articulate the issue, but the idea came and went.

“Justin came by later and said ‘Well, can you do that?’ And I’m like ‘sure.’” he said. “So, I posted on the NeoGAF forum where people were going through it in a very eloquent fashion, really explaining their gripes very clearly, and I said ‘Well, is anyone local that can come in and explain it to us?’”

Two users showed up, each bringing with them another person also versed in Uncharted, and all four were members of NeoGAF. Everyone sat down with Richmond and McIntosh, and plead their case regarding the issues within Uncharted 3 with the very same people responsible for making them.

In order to make sure Naughty Dog was getting the right feedback, the team employed a variation of the Pepsi Challenge.

“We showed them a before and after without telling them which one was changed to see how they liked these alternate settings that our programmer had come up with,” said Meyer. “As part of that process, we iterated on what the feedback was and we were making changes on the fly, and changing different things from what we originally changed to get the right feel for the aiming.”

When the patch launches in the coming weeks, a tweak will reflect the community's response.
When the patch launches in the coming weeks, a tweak will reflect the community's response.

It's not hard to imagine how a fan might become easily starstruck. Here you are, chatting with the creators of one of your favorite games, telling them what you think about that game, and having one of the developers implement your changes in real-time. That’s really something else.

The traditional problem with incorporating fans is the inability to get properly articulated feedback, or to have players who are so wrapped up in the idea of coming behind the curtain that everyone's sidetracked.

“They definitely weren’t here ‘blinded by the light.’” said Meyer. “These are our fans, so I don’t want to say they came in with a massively critical chip on their shoulder over it, but the two guys that we brought in, I think they were really sharp in terms of being analytical and being able upfront with what the changes were, and they were very clear and direct about what it was, and it was actually super helpful for us.”

Naughty Dog is currently working on a patch for Uncharted 3 that will address, among other things, the gunplay concerns. There’s no date for the patch, but when it goes live, there will be an aiming toggle that brings the settings closer to Uncharted 2. This is merely an option, though, and anyone who’s just happy with how Uncharted 3 plays won’t have to make the switch.

Meyer said Naughty Dog didn’t have a policy for bringing fans to the studio, but that may change.

“Justin and I always talk about, when we’re on our press tours, that one of the awesomest things when we’re doing press is when we have the opportunity to meet with our fans,” he said. “For Justin, it was great to actually have somebody come in and have actionable changes happen in front of them.”

RKTJMPon Nov. 21, 2011 at 7 a.m.

I dont even have a console.

jkuc316on Nov. 21, 2011 at 7:02 a.m.

NOW I can believe ND is a people's studio!

PieGuyon Nov. 21, 2011 at 7:05 a.m.

Great developers.

AutoBarnon Nov. 21, 2011 at 7:06 a.m.
Well played Naughty Dog. Now if you'd just let me come in for the next 2-3 weeks to take you through the issues with storyline.
hbkdx12on Nov. 21, 2011 at 7:08 a.m.
On one hand i commend ND for their commitment to their fanbase
 
On the other hand i really hope this doesn't set a dangerous precedent where ppl (on GAF specifically) just constantly shit all over a game with the expectation that they have the power to get it changed
Metal_Millson Nov. 21, 2011 at 7:10 a.m.
I'm glad you wrote a piece on this. I saw stuff on GAF about it but never heard or knew the full story.
NaDannMaGoGoon Nov. 21, 2011 at 7:13 a.m.

@hbkdx12 said:

On one hand i commend ND for their commitment to their fanbase On the other hand i really hope this doesn't set a dangerous precedent where ppl (on GAF specifically) just constantly shit all over a game with the expectation that they have the power to get it changed

Well that kinda depends. If people really have a good point then yeah, go ahead with that. If something as basic as the gunplay is bad in some way then that can really ruin someone's experience.

That said, mostly it's just shit coming out of gamers who think they know shit when they obviously do not. But the developers should be easily capable of filtering out who has a point and who doesn't. In this case they probably knew that something was indeed different so they gave it a try.

Village_Guyon Nov. 21, 2011 at 7:14 a.m.

So they screwed up and let their fans fix the issues?

On the other hand though, they connected with their fanbase to help make the game better...

I'm kinda conflicted on this one.

dropabomboniton Nov. 21, 2011 at 7:15 a.m.

I love Naughty Dog and didn't have a single problem with the controls in Uncharted 3 but you can't please everyone. So it's cool of ND to do this for the fans that are having problems

dvorakon Nov. 21, 2011 at 7:17 a.m.

@RKTJMP said:

I dont even have a console.

What a fantastically purposeful comment.

Yummyleeon Nov. 21, 2011 at 7:17 a.m.

That's great and all, but for me it's a little too late. After completing Uncharted 3 on Crushing, I'm really not all that motivated to ever play through much of it again besides to rack up some loose trophies.

Maybe I'll give the game another full run once the aiming has been tweaked, but the campaign still has a few more issues that's kept it from reaching the heights of Uncharted 2 regardless of how the shooting feels. The game still feels far too slow, for example, with Nate's movement marring against Uncharted 2's silky smooth haste.

There's too much that needs to be addressed that simply can't with a patch or anything, but this is still a pleasant gesture all the same.

Delta_Asson Nov. 21, 2011 at 7:17 a.m.

Well played Naughty Dog. Now if you'd just let me come in for the next 2-3 weeks to take you through the issues with Elena's face.

SiN13on Nov. 21, 2011 at 7:19 a.m.

No matter how great a game is in every department, if the controls are bad it's a complete game killer for me. I barely was able to finish Uncharted 3 because of the input latency. There were points near the end of the game where I was just sprinting past enemies to try and trigger the next scene. I hope they are able to fix it cause Uncharted 2 was one of my favorite games of all time.

Vitoron Nov. 21, 2011 at 7:23 a.m.

@dropabombonit said:

I love Naughty Dog and didn't have a single problem with the controls in Uncharted 3 but you can't please everyone. So it's cool of ND to do this for the fans that are having problems

The aiming issues aren't immediately noticeable (I didn't pick up on it until I'd nearly beat the game) but I don't think you can lay the blame on 'not pleasing everyone'. The issue is definitely there once you pick up on it but it's very hard to say exactly what's wrong at first which is why I think it got overlooked by so many:

That's the video I submitted to NeoGaf and used as part of the campaign to get ND to change things. I could tell something was 'off' when I first started playing - I had a hard time being as accurate as I was in UC2, but it wasn't until I began fooling around with the aiming that I picked upon the way the reticule would 'stick' to the x and y axis and not actually give you a full 360 degrees of motion. Whether or not this was down to a massive deadzone I'm not sure, but that was my initial guess.

Sweep moderator on Nov. 21, 2011 at 7:25 a.m.
Big respect to them for taking the time to do this, and actually listening to their community.

Oh, and Patrick: I believe 'singel' should be 'single' and 'said' should be 'sat'. No worries, happens to me all the time ;)
Lazyazaon Nov. 21, 2011 at 7:27 a.m.

I knew I wasn't the only one who thought they were going crazy. Uncharted 2's shooting was so good, or well, good for what it needed to be and in 3 man they really did fuck with it way too much and imo it ended up being even worse than the first games. How the heck did their QA people not pick up on it to begin with, makes no damn sense.

LiKon Nov. 21, 2011 at 7:28 a.m.
GAF FTW
muttjoneson Nov. 21, 2011 at 7:28 a.m.

@AutoBarn said:

Well played Naughty Dog. Now if you'd just let me come in for the next 2-3 weeks to take you through the issues with storyline.

Too true.

Soapon Nov. 21, 2011 at 7:29 a.m.

Only Naughty Dog could spin fixing their broken ass aiming into something positive.

MindChamberon Nov. 21, 2011 at 7:29 a.m.

"Meyer said down with game director" Proof read please

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