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A Virtual Lie

This is fun right???
This is fun right???
You can do everything in this game!!!
You can do everything in this game!!!

Even now as I write this the urge to play the new Elder Scrolls VI: Skyrim is very strong. Here recently though I had a discussion with a friend about vicarious living and unlike myself, my friend is not a very big advocate of playing video games and claims that they cause people to live their lives vicariously through a digital simulation rather than actually living their lives. For a long time, I would have disagreed and said that as long as you moderate your time then what’s wrong with playing video games? They are just another source of entertainment right? What it really took was my friend’s words, and what I was doing in the game Skyrim that made me realize that I was in all honesty wasting my time playing a video game.

Results of a Real life shock spell
Results of a Real life shock spell

In Skyrim I was doing everything that I normally could do in real life. Though you start off in the executioners block where you’re about to get your head chopped off, events occur in the game that end up granting you freedom in the game to do whatever you want to do. In Skyrim you are free too: wander the world, mess around with weapons and armor, go to a college to learn magic, you can be a blacksmith, practice alchemy, or even join a military resistance.

What among all of this stuff can you not do in our own lives? Granted we can’t kill dragons or shoot lightning out our fingertips—at least not without less than desirable results. Still what’s to stop a person from learning a blacksmithing trade or something similar? Why can’t you go to college and learn something with just as much mystery as the arcane arts? Why can’t we travel our own world?

A beautiful
A beautiful "virtual" Home

I realized I was living vicariously when I was doing everything in Skyrim that I wanted to do in real life. I bought a house, I learned to use a sword, I saw unique places and creatures, I was skilled with a bow, and I would decorate my in-game home. I’m sure that if I could write notes on what I've learned and books about my adventures as an Imperial Battlemage then I’m sure I would, but the reality of it is that Skyrim is still only a game and will never be real.

Small, but has potential
Small, but has potential

In my real life, I have long desired to own my own home. I have recently been looking into archery, fencing, and martial arts classes. I attend a gym in hopes of reaching a sense of athleticism, perhaps similar to the level of my Skyrim character. In my small little corner I have tons of books which I keep shelved and easy to access. My life’s ambition is to be a writer and every day I write down my thoughts as I meditate on the discoveries I have made in my own life, and to be quite honest it is a very fulfilling venture.

I'm learning!
I'm learning!

There is a concept that I remember from my days in economics courses called opportunity cost which means what else could have been done in place of a certain activity is the opportunity cost of the activity that you are preforming. Since the majority of games are spent sitting down for several hours over time our health declines due to lack of exercise, sleep, and social interaction. Think of the time a person spends in a video game perfecting a certain skill; say the skill they were learning was alchemy? In that same amount of time could you not study pharmaceuticals, how to mix a certain drink, or cook a new dish? Why would you spend time learning a skill you wanted to learn falsely instead of actually learning the skill in reality?

My future
My future "Virtual" life???

Video games are a source of entertainment, but it is very easy to get addicted to it just as one can get addicted to watching TV or surfing the internet. Like the effects of drugs and alcohol, sources of entertainment have no lasting value beyond making you feel good temporarily. Eventually the entertainment factor wears off, and you have to go buy the newest thing or start over to get that feel good feeling. Eventually I would become bored of my Imperial Battlemage and return to my virtual life as a Commander in Earth’s Space forces and the one human Spectre agent in the entire galaxy. After that I would probably once don my Mjonlir armor and awake in the vastness of unknown space to fight a new enemy.

I only offer the truth.
I only offer the truth.

When you spend too much time in video game you being to live vicariously through them instead of actually living your own life, and you end up in a never ending cycle of lives that are not real and have no real meaning to life. What should we do then, I say to those of us who feel as I have, and even some who don’t? As human beings we always have a choice; we have a sort of red pill/blue pill scenario. Do we continue things as they are and hope for something that might actually come by living vicariously through a digital life simulation or do we try to discover the potential of the unknown world around us? Regardless of the choice that is made, you should be aware that in our real lives we cannot load our last save.

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This is fun right???
This is fun right???
You can do everything in this game!!!
You can do everything in this game!!!

Even now as I write this the urge to play the new Elder Scrolls VI: Skyrim is very strong. Here recently though I had a discussion with a friend about vicarious living and unlike myself, my friend is not a very big advocate of playing video games and claims that they cause people to live their lives vicariously through a digital simulation rather than actually living their lives. For a long time, I would have disagreed and said that as long as you moderate your time then what’s wrong with playing video games? They are just another source of entertainment right? What it really took was my friend’s words, and what I was doing in the game Skyrim that made me realize that I was in all honesty wasting my time playing a video game.

Results of a Real life shock spell
Results of a Real life shock spell

In Skyrim I was doing everything that I normally could do in real life. Though you start off in the executioners block where you’re about to get your head chopped off, events occur in the game that end up granting you freedom in the game to do whatever you want to do. In Skyrim you are free too: wander the world, mess around with weapons and armor, go to a college to learn magic, you can be a blacksmith, practice alchemy, or even join a military resistance.

What among all of this stuff can you not do in our own lives? Granted we can’t kill dragons or shoot lightning out our fingertips—at least not without less than desirable results. Still what’s to stop a person from learning a blacksmithing trade or something similar? Why can’t you go to college and learn something with just as much mystery as the arcane arts? Why can’t we travel our own world?

A beautiful
A beautiful "virtual" Home

I realized I was living vicariously when I was doing everything in Skyrim that I wanted to do in real life. I bought a house, I learned to use a sword, I saw unique places and creatures, I was skilled with a bow, and I would decorate my in-game home. I’m sure that if I could write notes on what I've learned and books about my adventures as an Imperial Battlemage then I’m sure I would, but the reality of it is that Skyrim is still only a game and will never be real.

Small, but has potential
Small, but has potential

In my real life, I have long desired to own my own home. I have recently been looking into archery, fencing, and martial arts classes. I attend a gym in hopes of reaching a sense of athleticism, perhaps similar to the level of my Skyrim character. In my small little corner I have tons of books which I keep shelved and easy to access. My life’s ambition is to be a writer and every day I write down my thoughts as I meditate on the discoveries I have made in my own life, and to be quite honest it is a very fulfilling venture.

I'm learning!
I'm learning!

There is a concept that I remember from my days in economics courses called opportunity cost which means what else could have been done in place of a certain activity is the opportunity cost of the activity that you are preforming. Since the majority of games are spent sitting down for several hours over time our health declines due to lack of exercise, sleep, and social interaction. Think of the time a person spends in a video game perfecting a certain skill; say the skill they were learning was alchemy? In that same amount of time could you not study pharmaceuticals, how to mix a certain drink, or cook a new dish? Why would you spend time learning a skill you wanted to learn falsely instead of actually learning the skill in reality?

My future
My future "Virtual" life???

Video games are a source of entertainment, but it is very easy to get addicted to it just as one can get addicted to watching TV or surfing the internet. Like the effects of drugs and alcohol, sources of entertainment have no lasting value beyond making you feel good temporarily. Eventually the entertainment factor wears off, and you have to go buy the newest thing or start over to get that feel good feeling. Eventually I would become bored of my Imperial Battlemage and return to my virtual life as a Commander in Earth’s Space forces and the one human Spectre agent in the entire galaxy. After that I would probably once don my Mjonlir armor and awake in the vastness of unknown space to fight a new enemy.

I only offer the truth.
I only offer the truth.

When you spend too much time in video game you being to live vicariously through them instead of actually living your own life, and you end up in a never ending cycle of lives that are not real and have no real meaning to life. What should we do then, I say to those of us who feel as I have, and even some who don’t? As human beings we always have a choice; we have a sort of red pill/blue pill scenario. Do we continue things as they are and hope for something that might actually come by living vicariously through a digital life simulation or do we try to discover the potential of the unknown world around us? Regardless of the choice that is made, you should be aware that in our real lives we cannot load our last save.

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Learning magic is not the same as studying something at a university. Fighting dragons is not the same as going to the gym. Give me a space ship, the most badass(and diverse) crew of companions I'll ever meet, and the ability to come back to life as many times as I want and I will go save the universe from some ancient horror. Until then, let me enjoy my video games. Also, they're fun.

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What a load of crap.

@YI_Orange said:

Learning magic is not the same as studying something at a university. Fighting dragons is not the same as going to the gym. Give me a space ship, the most badass(and diverse) crew of companions I'll ever meet, and the ability to come back to life as many times as I want and I will go save the universe from some ancient horror. Until then, let me enjoy my video games. Also, they're fun.

Also that.

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If people considered video games nothing more than a weak form of chemical addiction as you're labeling it in this thread, then World of Warcraft would not have been a success. In no other game have I ever seen the content/assets abused and reused to the point there's been nothing "New" in it for years, yet it's the most popular thing out there. Just goes to show you that video games can provide lasting entertainment over long periods of time, and video gamers aren't really these trollish creatures scrambling for their next "quick fix" like the console publishers have spoon fed you for years hoping you'll buy every piece of shiny crap that hits the shelves at $59.99 a pop.

Skyrim is just New Vegas 2.0 in-case you missed it.

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Sigh.... you can still do things in real life and play games. I exercise 2 hours a day every 2 days. I am in fantastic shape, I actually can shoot a bow well, I used to hunt with my father when I was a kid, I took martial arts years ago. But guess what? I can't use any of those skills to go out and kill a Dragon. Saying that you can't, or shouldn't spend time playing games when you can "do those things in real life" is idiotic. You can still have a fun and exciting life but then when you feel like relaxing sit down and play a video game. My dude in Skyrim is a fairly muscular dude, I am myself like that. But exercise is hard work and not something I want to do to relax. I am in college, and I have done the mage college in Skyrim. I can honestly say that it is nothing alike. Pretty much what it comes down to is if you are a well adjusted adult you should be able to play videogames with moderation and still hold a perfectly normal social life.

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I don't think Delphic is advocating giving up video games, just saying that everything has to be done in moderation. I think a few of you have misinterpreted what he is trying to say.

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Hey, this reminds me of the blog I wrote reviewing life as if it were a video game :D.

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Entertainment is a way for us to accomplish/experience the impossible in many cases.

Of course the joy experienced is somewhat fleeting (Skyrim and many RPGs are packed full of content though, so arguably, they are better than movies due to their lasting entertainment value) but that is because well, they're meant to entertain not educate etc.

Knowledge is fleeting too, you forget things over time. Is the time spent obtaining that knowledge not wasted as well?

Yes, games and entertainment can become addictive but most normal people are not addicted to them.

Also, many people play a single game for years. The "quick fix" argument is fairly overdone at this point as well :/

So what is the issue?

It also seems as if you generalize the "gamer type", as many do when trying to argue the negative affects of gaming on human beings. That stereotype is long dead, go look for D&D addicts to find it again.

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Life is for you to do what you want, so video games is not a waste.

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@Still_I_Cry said:

Hey, this reminds me of the blog I wrote reviewing life as if it were a video game :D.

So what is the issue?

I think part of the issue here is exactly the degree to which games incorporate in aspects of real life. He was not saying not to play video games I don't think, just that do video games need a function to clean up your virtual room when your own room is a pigsty? Not so much, I can understand the appeal of the fantastical, its why I read comics.

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@RazzaTazz said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

Hey, this reminds me of the blog I wrote reviewing life as if it were a video game :D.

So what is the issue?

I think part of the issue here is exactly the degree to which games incorporate in aspects of real life. He was not saying not to play video games I don't think, just that do video games need a function to clean up your virtual room when your own room is a pigsty? Not so much, I can understand the appeal of the fantastical, its why I read comics.

Oh, I see. My bad then.

Yeah, I don't want to have to clean up my room in a game :P

Although, some games that integrate real life functions (such as Heavy Rain) use these common activities to create an attachment to the character and to humanize him/her by making the character appear "normal", thus more relatable.

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When I play Skyrim, I don't '' live '' in Skyrim, I just play it like any other game, and I don't think that my Skyrim house is anything like my real house. I think you've got to understand that games are just fucking games. Entertainment to kill time, period. I think if your brain confuses both, then you've got a little problem which can, fortunately, be cured.

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@RazzaTazz: Considering how integral learning "new skills" is to modern video games, he might as well have told us to stop playing videogames.

Considering the room cleaning, why the hell not? some people find organizing things to be just as much as fun as going out and slaying a dragon.

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@Cloudenvy said:

Considering the room cleaning, why the hell not? some people find organizing things to be just as much as fun as going and slaying a dragon.

What the fuck!?

O_O .. D:

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@Still_I_Cry said:

@Cloudenvy said:

Considering the room cleaning, why the hell not? some people find organizing things to be just as much as fun as going and slaying a dragon.

What the fuck!?

O_O .. D:

Different strokes for different folks!

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@Cloudenvy said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

@Cloudenvy said:

Considering the room cleaning, why the hell not? some people find organizing things to be just as much as fun as going and slaying a dragon.

What the fuck!?

O_O .. D:

Different strokes for different folks!

So we use a Hard stroke for these abominations? Intermediate? Soft?

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@Cloudenvy said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

@Cloudenvy said:

Considering the room cleaning, why the hell not? some people find organizing things to be just as much as fun as going and slaying a dragon.

What the fuck!?

O_O .. D:

Different strokes for different folks!

I feel particularly badass after a nice room cleaning.

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@Still_I_Cry said:

@Cloudenvy said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

@Cloudenvy said:

Considering the room cleaning, why the hell not? some people find organizing things to be just as much as fun as going and slaying a dragon.

What the fuck!?

O_O .. D:

Different strokes for different folks!

So we use a Hard stroke for these abominations? Intermediate? Soft?

Hey hey now! I have a friend who loves to customize her house in Skyrim just as much as exploring and slaying dragons! D:

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@Cloudenvy said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

@Cloudenvy said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

@Cloudenvy said:

Considering the room cleaning, why the hell not? some people find organizing things to be just as much as fun as going and slaying a dragon.

What the fuck!?

O_O .. D:

Different strokes for different folks!

So we use a Hard stroke for these abominations? Intermediate? Soft?

Hey hey now! I have a friend who loves to customize her house in Skyrim just as much as exploring and slaying dragons! D:

Yeah, that may be true, but this issue must be addressed...Hard Intermediate or Soft?

Iron, Steel, Ebony, Daedric, Glass, Elven, Dragon, Dwarven?

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@Still_I_Cry said:

@Cloudenvy said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

@Cloudenvy said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

@Cloudenvy said:

Considering the room cleaning, why the hell not? some people find organizing things to be just as much as fun as going and slaying a dragon.

What the fuck!?

O_O .. D:

Different strokes for different folks!

So we use a Hard stroke for these abominations? Intermediate? Soft?

Hey hey now! I have a friend who loves to customize her house in Skyrim just as much as exploring and slaying dragons! D:

Yeah, that may be true, but this issue must be addressed...Hard Intermediate or Soft?

Iron, Steel, Ebony, Daedric, Glass, Elven, Dragon, Dwarven?

Can I mix? soft glass, intermediate elven, hard dragon.

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@Cloudenvy said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

@Cloudenvy said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

@Cloudenvy said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

@Cloudenvy said:

Considering the room cleaning, why the hell not? some people find organizing things to be just as much as fun as going and slaying a dragon.

What the fuck!?

O_O .. D:

Different strokes for different folks!

So we use a Hard stroke for these abominations? Intermediate? Soft?

Hey hey now! I have a friend who loves to customize her house in Skyrim just as much as exploring and slaying dragons! D:

Yeah, that may be true, but this issue must be addressed...Hard Intermediate or Soft?

Iron, Steel, Ebony, Daedric, Glass, Elven, Dragon, Dwarven?

Can I mix? soft glass, intermediate elven, hard dragon.

Will it take that much?

She must be wearing Dragon Armor.

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@Buzzkill: @Cloudenvy: @YI_Orange: Nothing wrong with enjoying video games. I agree that they are fun. It's obsession that is a problem. I'm not saying that all the gaming masses have the problem of obsession, but many do, I did and that's why I'm sharing this personal revelation of mine. When you start pushing things aside for the sake of entertainment, you lose opportunities. I don't intend to set all of my games on fire, because I feel no need to do that. There was a time though that I let things slip by because I was too busy playing a game or surfing the internet. My life's ambition is to be a writer and I was neglecting time that could be used to write by playing video games. I discovered this when I spent several ours trying to buy an in-game home and decorate it, when in truth for the longest time I've wanted to do that in real life.

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Can't I do both?

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@Delphic said:

@Buzzkill: @Cloudenvy: @YI_Orange: I'm not saying that all the gaming masses have the problem of obsession, but many do.

Just out of curiosity, how do you know?

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@Commisar123 said:

Can't I do both?

Obviously, you can't. Shame on you for even think about it.

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@Still_I_Cry: @Cloudenvy:

I think the point that is being missed here is everything in moderation. Nothing wrong in playing video games or computer games. I myself am somewhat partial to Just Dance 3, but if I play Just Dance 3 for an hour I need a break. On the other hand I have seen people play WoW for 24 straight hours. If I played JD3 for 24 hours I would be on the verge of death.

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@RazzaTazz said:

@Still_I_Cry: @Cloudenvy:

I think the point that is being missed here is everything in moderation. Nothing wrong in playing video games or computer games. I myself am somewhat partial to Just Dance 3, but if I play Just Dance 3 for an hour I need a break. On the other hand I have seen people play WoW for 24 straight hours. If I played JD3 for 24 hours I would be on the verge of death.

Just Dance 3 requires some form of physical movement to be played though.

Also, that message has been stated without end since the dawn of parents figuring out that their children love playing video games.

:D

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@RazzaTazz: If that really is his point then he's doing a really bad job at getting it across in my opinion.

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@matthias2437 said:

Sigh.... you can still do things in real life and play games. I exercise 2 hours a day every 2 days. I am in fantastic shape, I actually can shoot a bow well, I used to hunt with my father when I was a kid, I took martial arts years ago. But guess what? I can't use any of those skills to go out and kill a Dragon. Saying that you can't, or shouldn't spend time playing games when you can "do those things in real life" is idiotic. You can still have a fun and exciting life but then when you feel like relaxing sit down and play a video game. My dude in Skyrim is a fairly muscular dude, I am myself like that. But exercise is hard work and not something I want to do to relax. I am in college, and I have done the mage college in Skyrim. I can honestly say that it is nothing alike. Pretty much what it comes down to is if you are a well adjusted adult you should be able to play videogames with moderation and still hold a perfectly normal social life.

The way you live you life is exactly the point I was making with this blog. It is more a self realization that I was not living my life in a manner that is acceptable and was in fact detracting from my real life. You sound more like what I am aspiring towards, because I don't want to give up video games, because I enjoy them for their story, but I don't want them to take away from my real life.

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@Cloudenvy: Because I was one of those people who would play a game for hours on end and let things slip. I have met several people just like me as well, just locally. My hometown is small enough that one of the biggest hang out spots is a Game Stop. I've seen several people do exactly the same thing I do just locally. I've met people who had spent all their money on gaming and not have enough money to buy food. This is just local though. I sometimes watch Youtube vlogs and I've seen people in the vlogs do the exact same thing, so that suggest to me that I'm not the only one and that there are actually more than likely several others like myself who have had a problem with self control. Does the entire gaming populace have this problem though? The answer to that question is most obviously no.

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@Delphic said:

@Cloudenvy: Because I was one of those people who would play a game for hours on end and let things slip. I have met several people just like me as well, just locally. My hometown is small enough that one of the biggest hang out spots is a Game Stop. I've seen several people do exactly the same thing I do just locally. I've met people who had spent all their money on gaming and not have enough money to buy food. This is just local though. I sometimes watch Youtube vlogs and I've seen people in the vlogs do the exact same thing, so that suggest to me that I'm not the only one and that there are actually more than likely several others like myself who have had a problem with self control. Does the entire gaming populace have this problem though? The answer to that question is most obviously no.

Considering how many people do play games, I wouldn't count your personal experience as "many".

But okay.

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@Commisar123: Of course you can. Just remember "Everything in Moderation" and don't let yourself be consumed by obsession as I have in the past. I don't intend to give up video games myself, but I'm no longer going to let them outweigh their value as a source of entertainment.

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Screw this. I prefer obsessively playing video games than doing anything else, so whatever.

And comparing game alchemy to pharmaceuticals? Real life arcane arts to game magic? What?

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@FluxWaveZ: Exactly. Mother Base isn't just going to get an entire staff of S-ranked soldiers, now are they?
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@FluxWaveZ: Your free to make your own choices. As far as comparing game alchemy to pharmaceuticals or real life arcane arts to game magic, the ideas of the concepts in the game came from somewhere. Alchemy is a form of Chemistry where you take compounds and mix them together to create something new. In Pharmaceuticals you do the same thing except typically with medicine. You use different chemical compounds to create another chemical compound.

Real life Arcane arts and Game magic are only similar in idea. Granted in real life you can't shoot lighting out you finger tips, but there is such a thing as spell tomes. Most are in the form of a ritual in order to cast the spell, but they do exist. In game magic was taken from the concept of these tomes and other fantastical ideas.

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Your error is supposing that everyone uses video games as escapism. I play for input-feedback interactivity and to enjoy to narrative. I don't want to fight wars or master martial arts, I want to play video games. And you can say I have succeeded in that regard.

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@Delphic: The origin of those concepts is irrelevant. You can't shoot lightning out of your hands in real life. Period. Comparing learning magic in a video game college to learning arcane arts in a real life college is ludicrous. The point that you can do everything you do in a game doesn't hold up because it's absolutely and obviously false.

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Look I do not know who you are and what you are trying to say, but *insert defensive statement here* how dare you try and impede my freedom of expression! Don't expect me to be a zombie to your words I prefer to think about things? Not just follow along blindly. So your suggestion I give up video games for life and never even look at Ms Pacman arcade machine... well no. No, no, no, yes, no. Your wrong. You should be advocating thinking about things and moderation by the discretion of capable minds, not living in a cave without even the soft fuzzy delights of Tetris.

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@Delphic said:

@FluxWaveZ: Your free to make your own choices.

And yet this thread reeks of proselytism.

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you should get a job writing for wired

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@Cloudenvy: @Still_I_Cry:

Sorry I disappeared like that, stupid post limits for new members even if they have like 2000 posts on other WM sites

Anyway you guys I think are letting too much emotion creep in here. Of course there are people who say that video games are evil and should be banned completely but they are an extreme. I think in a bit of a knee jerk reaction you associated the OP's point with that. I don't read it that way, he is approaching this from the opposite spectrum, instead of being negative he is being positive. So instead of saying "Video games will rot your brains" he is just saying "Take a step back from VGs every now and then and you can do other things, and things often times similar to what you have experienced in games." Of course this is not always possible, but quite often it is.

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(note: mainly commenting on the embedded video)

Well I think in reality its not that video games waste lives, its finding a way to make them relevant in your life. This video could have been made for any entertainment medium. If you are able to enjoy video games why not? If the meaning of life is to just enjoy yourself and be happy then whats so wasted about enjoying video games? Even if the video game didn't give you anything "tangible" doesn't the support and admiration help developers to come up with new and innovative ideas?

Think of a game such a pandemic 2. At first it looks like just another flash game. A waste of time as one put it, but if you think of how this game has its practical applications you'll realize it actually brings quite a bit to the table. It lets people develop a virus, bacteria or parasite and see how it spreads effects the world. It gives awareness to how serious an epidemic could be. It becomes of a learning exercise at ways diseases can get past all the precautions we have.

Gamers have (and still can) helped scientists figure out a molecular structure to help cure aids. If this isnt productivity then i don't know what is.

http://www.ted.com/talks/jane_mcgonigal_gaming_can_make_a_better_world.html

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/373360/february-03-2011/jane-mcgonigal

Games can be a "waste of time", but really we all learn and take away different things in different ways. Video games can help people figure out new ways to figure out new problems. Video games can inspire people in many ways. We get so caught up in this structure and culture in society which still deems games as a non productive activity we fail to see how non productive many real world activities.

We are monkies standing on a giant floating rock that is being flung at over 67,000 miles an hour. Many of the things we do are ridiculous in the grand scheme of things. I think being happy playing games isn't as ridiculous as many see. Being happy is the closest thing to a meaning of life I can come up with. If you aren't truly happy playing a game then do something else. I I agree with him on one thing particular, spend some time with people in this game we called life. Spend it with loved ones because it will help you appreciate all worlds more.

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Interesting perspective you have there. I see what you mean about living a virtual life. Most normal people play them to get away from the hassles of every day life. They live like people during the day and at night they're some guy killing dragons and absorbing their souls! Nothing is more awesome than that.

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@SC said:

the soft fuzzy delights of Tetris.

That might be the best phrase I've read in weeks.

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@Delphic said:

Video games are a source of entertainment, but it is very easy to get addicted to it just as one can get addicted to watching TV or surfing the internet. Like the effects of drugs and alcohol, sources of entertainment have no lasting value beyond making you feel good temporarily. Eventually the entertainment factor wears off, and you have to go buy the newest thing or start over to get that feel good feeling. Eventually I would become bored of my Imperial Battlemage and return to my virtual life as a Commander in Earth’s Space forces and the one human Spectre agent in the entire galaxy. After that I would probably once don my Mjonlir armor and awake in the vastness of unknown space to fight a new enemy.

When you spend too much time in video game you being to live vicariously through them instead of actually living your own life, and you end up in a never ending cycle of lives that are not real and have no real meaning to life. What should we do then, I say to those of us who feel as I have, and even some who don’t? As human beings we always have a choice; we have a sort of red pill/blue pill scenario. Do we continue things as they are and hope for something that might actually come by living vicariously through a digital life simulation or do we try to discover the potential of the unknown world around us? Regardless of the choice that is made, you should be aware that in our real lives we cannot load our last save.

This, sir, is simply a lie.

According to scientific research, video games are able to provide pretty much the highest level of happiness because they are what scientists call "hard fun".

Hard fun is pretty much hard work, just without the whole pessimistic aspect - it's optional so the menace of failure isn't nearly as scary as in other forced stressful situation. Hard fun makes us enjoy the stimulation and the activation; it makes us positive, it motivates and thrills us. Furthermore, the rewards you earn while playing games are much more prominent than those received doing other activities.

Video game achievements also reward us with what one of the most powerful neurological highs we can experience - the feeling which doesn't really have its equivalent in english, called fiero. It's the italian word for "pride" and involves three different structures of the reward circuitry of the brain, including the mesocorticolimbic center, which is most typically associated with reward and addiction. Fiero is a kind of intrinsic rewards, which can only be triggered by developing one's personal strengths and social relationship - they cannot be given to you, they have to be achieved. Their opposites - intrinsic rewards such as money, fame or material possessions - do not contribute to happiness at all an are, in fact, reported to contribute to some ill-being.

Video games reward us with happiness because they are engaging, they have instant feedback system to let you know how well you're doing, they have clear and visible goals, they let you take part in big-scale projects and experiences and they strengthen our social connections.

It's extremely sad to see people, particularly those claiming to be game enthusiasts, to spread all these misconceptions about how games really work from the psychological side. I'd go as far as saying that you didn't even mind to read a single article or research on the subject, let alone a book.

"Reality is Broken: Why games make us better and how they can change the world" by Jane McGonigal
"Finite and Infinite Games: A Vision of Life as Play and Possibility" by James P. Carse
"Ambiguity of Play" by Brian Sutton-Smith
"Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience" by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi
"Journal of Personality and Social Psychology" by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi
"Beyond Boredom and Anxiety: Experiencing Flow in Work and Play" by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi
http://mprcenter.org/mpr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=207&Itemid=163