Bioshock 2 Crushes Dreams of Worthy Sequel for Sea of Fans

     I've got to admit, I was extremely excited to hear there was a planned sequel for one of my favorite games, BioShock.  However, the excitement quickly subsided upon information that BioShock 2 would actually be a sequel.  To me, it doesn't feel like there's much left to be done with the original BioShock storyline after the events fo the original game.  I feel BioShock 2 would have been a lot of fun had it been a prequel.  Could you imagine starting the game viewing the magnificence of the once eutopian Rapture?
     I think the game would have heavily benefited from the strong sense of dramatic irony gamer-end while watching rapture quickly crumble.  Imagine entering Rapture as plasmids were beginning to get out of control.  I mean, you could have even played the part of assisting Andrew Ryan and eventually become a Big Daddy or something of the like.  My point being, they could have still put you behind the roll of Big Daddy without putting you in a predictably lame sequel.
     They even could have introduced a new city altogether.  Perhaps a Rapture created for the moon by Ryan's predecessor?  There was so much room for Bio Shock 2 to be great.  As a fan, I'm left feeling sorely disappointed in what I've read, heard and seen about the game.  Let's hope 2K has an ace in the hole with this one.

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Posted by theMcNasty

     I've got to admit, I was extremely excited to hear there was a planned sequel for one of my favorite games, BioShock.  However, the excitement quickly subsided upon information that BioShock 2 would actually be a sequel.  To me, it doesn't feel like there's much left to be done with the original BioShock storyline after the events fo the original game.  I feel BioShock 2 would have been a lot of fun had it been a prequel.  Could you imagine starting the game viewing the magnificence of the once eutopian Rapture?
     I think the game would have heavily benefited from the strong sense of dramatic irony gamer-end while watching rapture quickly crumble.  Imagine entering Rapture as plasmids were beginning to get out of control.  I mean, you could have even played the part of assisting Andrew Ryan and eventually become a Big Daddy or something of the like.  My point being, they could have still put you behind the roll of Big Daddy without putting you in a predictably lame sequel.
     They even could have introduced a new city altogether.  Perhaps a Rapture created for the moon by Ryan's predecessor?  There was so much room for Bio Shock 2 to be great.  As a fan, I'm left feeling sorely disappointed in what I've read, heard and seen about the game.  Let's hope 2K has an ace in the hole with this one.

Posted by Captain_Fookup

Bioshock should be been left alone after the first game, it's bad enough is was System Shock 2 underwater.

Posted by lolwot

They've already announced plenty of new features and improvements they've made in the sequel. Now you can fire plasmids and weapons simultaneously, you get to use the drill and rivet gun, and you can charge plasmids. Also, the big sister, unlike the big daddies from Bioshock, is a single character that persistently stalks you throughout the game. And there will be sections in the game where Rapture is opened up to the sea, allowing you to explore outside the confines of the city.

Posted by Vinchenzo

Bioshock 2 looks like shit.

Posted by BoG
lolwot said:
"They've already announced plenty of new features and improvements they've made in the sequel. Now you can fire plasmids and weapons simultaneously, you get to use the drill and rivet gun, and you can charge plasmids. Also, the big sister, unlike the big daddies from Bioshock, is a single character that persistently stalks you throughout the game. And there will be sections in the game where Rapture is opened up to the sea, allowing you to explore outside the confines of the city."
You know, I honestly don't care about any of that. I think that the fact of the matter is that Bioshock doesn't need a sequel, and this sequel could taint what made the original so special story and philosophy wise.
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Posted by EvilTwin

Your excitement should have subsided when you heard Irrational wasn't developing it.  It's become a franchise whore now.  Everyone gets a piece.  No offense to the 2k Marin team.  Maybe the game will be great, but I reserve the right to be skeptical of them until we've seen their first full game. 

Posted by Vinchenzo

I'm irritated by Bioshock 2 for the following reasons.

  • Nothing original. Sure it's Bioshock, but it looks like an expansion instead of an entire new game.
  • Why do I have to play as a Big Daddy? That was the worst part of the first game.
  • Exactly how do you "switch" a drill that is attached to your arm.
  • The Big Sister. Very creative Marin. (100% Sarcasm)
  • Ken Levine is not heading development.
  • The first game didn't need a sequel.
  • Lots more reasons, but this is all I can think of right now.
Posted by get2sammyb

I must admit, from the gameplay reveal I just looked at it and thought "oh hey, this looks EXACTLY the same as Bioshock 1" -- I mean the HUD, even the little pictures of the people talking are all EXACTLY the same. But I've only seen like 30-seconds of the game so that's unfair to judge on just those merits.

I don't like the sound of the Big Daddy thing mind.

I'm still definitely going to check it out, but I didn't think the first one was the most amazing thing since sliced bread and I doubt this is going to change my mind.

Posted by CL60

Stop judging before even playing through the story, saying stuff like, the story sucks because it's a sequel!

Posted by Vinchenzo
CL60 said:
"Stop judging before even playing through the story, saying stuff like, the story sucks because it's a sequel! "
Well the story in this sequel is going to suck. Not because it's a sequel, but because Bioshock (the first one) didn't need a sequel. Nor did the ending lead into a sequel.
Posted by CL60
Vinchenzo said:
"CL60 said:
"Stop judging before even playing through the story, saying stuff like, the story sucks because it's a sequel! "
Well the story in this sequel is going to suck. Not because it's a sequel, but because Bioshock (the first one) didn't need a sequel. Nor did the ending lead into a sequel."
How would you know how they are even going too do it though? Oh wait, you don't.
Posted by TooWalrus

I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of "let's fucking wait and see before freaking out."

Posted by Teptom

I agree that Bioshock didn't need a sequel, but that footage of the game does look promising. 

Posted by crunchUK

You know, rapture didn't mysteriously "vanish" after bioshock 1....... Honestly the lengths some people will go to just to nerd rage at SOMETHING...

Posted by CL60
crunchUK said:
"You know, rapture didn't mysteriously "vanish" after bioshock 1....... Honestly the lengths some people will go to just to nerd rage at SOMETHING..."
Yeah
Posted by Coltonio7

Flashbacks?

Posted by Expletive
lolwot said:
"They've already announced plenty of new features and improvements they've made in the sequel. Now you can fire plasmids and weapons simultaneously, you get to use the drill and rivet gun, and you can charge plasmids. Also, the big sister, unlike the big daddies from Bioshock, is a single character that persistently stalks you throughout the game. And there will be sections in the game where Rapture is opened up to the sea, allowing you to explore outside the confines of the city."
you know i like all of those thing, but what does any of that have to do with the original post? he was talking about  how formulaic the story is and you just listed a bunch of random features. BTW i am very excited about sea of dreams
Posted by kmdrkul
CL60 said:
"Stop judging before even playing through the story, saying stuff like, the story sucks because it's a sequel! "
Yeah, especially in this case.  People are saying how they are such huge fans of the first; what kind of fan are you if you are already so skeptical well, WELL before the game is even released?  At least fucking play the game, then pass your judgment.  sheesh.
Posted by JoelTGM

Bioshock wasn't a very fun game to begin with, but I like your ideas of Bioshock 2 taking place before Bioshock 1.  There's no chance I'm getting Bioshock 2.  They had no reason to make a Bioshock 2 other than to cash in on the hype.

Edited by SoothsayerGB

Eh, I am waiting to pass judgment.  They want to release a movie with the third game(supposedly), so I expect them to throw some money around to get shit done.

This is just a fanboy VS hater battle now.  To soon to really get a feel for whats being built. 

I agree, I wanted a prequel or a parallel story.  I don't like that I wont be playing Jack?  That Andrew Ryan or Atlus won't be stalking me through camera's and my radio.  That I won't be playing 1...

To me, it all really ended in a very conclusive way.  All lose ends were tied up.  All wrapped up in a a nice, neat package.  But, I still wanted more.  So they are banking on that.  Can you blame them?  What major gaming franchise doesn't?

All I know is that I want more Rapture, more sci-fi horror action, more steampunkery, more plasmids, more crazy over the top villains.  More Bioshock.  The first game will make awesome source materiel.

Sorry to see so many people unhappy about Bioshock 2.  Just hoping it turns out good for them.  The more the merrier.

Just remember, even if 2 fails.  We will always have the original.







Posted by jakob187

WHINE WHINE WHINE!  COMPLAIN COMPLAIN COMPLAIN!!!


When Bioshock 2 comes out, and everyone is saying "MAN, THIS GAME IS SO FUCKING AWESOME"...
...and a bunch of those people will be the naysayers complaining that a sequel exists...
...that's the point I'll grab a wrench and go Bioshock on the hypocrites!  BOOYAKA!!!
Posted by ninjakiller
DOUBLESHOCK said:
"Bioshock wasn't a very fun game to begin with, but I like your ideas of Bioshock 2 taking place before Bioshock 1.  There's no chance I'm getting Bioshock 2.  They had no reason to make a Bioshock 2 other than to cash in on the hype."
No, just no.
Posted by RHCPfan24
jakob187 said:
"WHINE WHINE WHINE!  COMPLAIN COMPLAIN COMPLAIN!!!

When Bioshock 2 comes out, and everyone is saying "MAN, THIS GAME IS SO FUCKING AWESOME"...
...and a bunch of those people will be the naysayers complaining that a sequel exists...
...that's the point I'll grab a wrench and go Bioshock on the hypocrites!  BOOYAKA!!!
"
I agree 100% with jakob here, and that doesn't happen a lot, so take note:  Bioshock 2, if they just keep with the original's formula and don't mess with what ain't broke, will be great. If they decide to make it totally different and screw up the integrated storytelling and all the features that made the first so great, then there will be a problem. Still, from what I saw of the recent gameplay video, it looks like Bioshock. And that is a good thing! Let us see how it is first before passing judgment, please.
Posted by EvilTwin
jakob187 said:
"WHINE WHINE WHINE!  COMPLAIN COMPLAIN COMPLAIN!!!

When Bioshock 2 comes out, and everyone is saying "MAN, THIS GAME IS SO FUCKING AWESOME"...
...and a bunch of those people will be the naysayers complaining that a sequel exists...
...that's the point I'll grab a wrench and go Bioshock on the hypocrites!  BOOYAKA!!!
"
And then in a year, the revisionist historians will decide that the game was terrible despite its great reviews.  Like so many bad sequels before it.  Therefore, I will win out in the end. 
Posted by IVIorpheus

A different direction than was expected, but that doesn't mean it can't be just as good....

Posted by AgentJ

I think its pointless to resist the game now that we all know its coming. Maybe begging for Bioshock 2 to not exist before it was announced would be fine, but they aren't going to stop now.

Posted by CL60
@pplus0440 said:
"

you are a fag.  
i could elaborate but your not worth it.

"
Go get banned.
Posted by Kombat

I've been playing it for about 3 hours now, and I have to say that I'm damn impressed with BioShock 2.  Anyone that's unhappy with the game either hasn't played it or wants to hate it so much that they just don't want to admit that the new developers actually managed to pull it off.

Posted by TheHBK

Then dont fucking play the game.  Damn, so much bitching and moaning because another game came out?  Not that it sucks but that they made another?  Apparently it is pretty damn good.  You guys need to stop being such bitches and claim that you own the game or something.  Its not yours.  It belongs to the devs.  Its not like there would be only one adventure in this place.

Posted by natetodamax
@pplus0440 said:
"

you are a fag.  
i could elaborate but your not worth it.

"
you are a douchebag 
i could elaborate but your not worth it.
Posted by debas3r
@Vinchenzo said:
" I'm irritated by Bioshock 2 for the following reasons.

  • Nothing original. Sure it's Bioshock, but it looks like an expansion instead of an entire new game.
  • Why do I have to play as a Big Daddy? That was the worst part of the first game.
  • Exactly how do you "switch" a drill that is attached to your arm.
  • The Big Sister. Very creative Marin. (100% Sarcasm)
  • Ken Levine is not heading development.
  • The first game didn't need a sequel.
  • Lots more reasons, but this is all I can think of right now.
"
These points are what make me very uneasy about picking this up.