All About the Shootin' in Max Payne 3

@Napalm said:

I quoted what was important.

Nah, you just quoted before you grasped the point.

@Napalm said:

The rest of that is pretty inconsequential to why I responded to your comment.

But the rest is the point. So your response is the only thing here that keeps being irrelevant. Because you're arguing something that doesn't exist.

@Napalm said:

The game itself isn't realistic. It's supposed to have an old school action movie quality to it.

I know. I know. As I said, stop stating the obvious.

I'll explain in detail so you'll get it; The game asks you to suspend your disbelief in how guns can be handled, just like the movies that inspired the style. However, when you ask me to believe in that, and I have no problem with that, don't tell me a shotgun is suddenly hard to maneuver. I find that limitation to be unnecessary.

Again, I'll make my point extra clear to you; I am not discussing the realism of Max Payne or John Woo action movies. I'm not discussing Max Payne constantly running with arms out. And I'm not under the illusion that the game tries to be anything other than Max Payne. All I'm saying is; shotgun movement limitation seems really unnecessarywithin the context of that game. And the thing you keep arguing was just the counter weight to show my point, it wasn't a point in and of itself.

I certainly hope this clears things out because if not, I'm certainly not wasting more time on it, because we're not finding a cure for cancer, that's for sure.

@Pezen said:

@Napalm: Partially quoting my point and taking it out of context, sure I can see where you get that idea. Also, I've seen plenty of his films and this is the second time somone quotes me and informs me of something utterly obvious.

I quoted what was important. The rest of that is pretty inconsequential to why I responded to your comment. The game itself isn't realistic. It's supposed to have an old school action movie quality to it.

Max is gonna have to kill a lot of dudes again.

@Pezen said:

@SSully: I know why they use it, I just think it's contrived in context. It's neither realistic nor practical to run around with big guns or SMGs with your arms stretched out firing for a long time, you would get pretty tired at some point pretty quickly.

It's laughable apparent that you've never seen a John Woo film. The importance of John Woo and his directorial style is very important to this series.

@CH3BURASHKA: agreed on the ragdoll physics, the way each bullet impacted the bodies was impressive.

As soon as the announcer came on I started laughing... I don't know why..

Looks so good I can't wait to play it.

this looks so goddamn cool

seems like they've been getting inspiration from all around the board with his esthetic look

from russell crowe to that guy in breaking bad

Max Payne has sooo maaaany peeooplee to kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiillllllllllllll................

@SSully: I know why they use it, I just think it's contrived in context. It's neither realistic nor practical to run around with big guns or SMGs with your arms stretched out firing for a long time, you would get pretty tired at some point pretty quickly. So if I should suspend my disbelief there, why would a shotgun be such a heavy burden to operate? Besides that, the shotgun is already going to be hampered by rate of fire (depending on make and model, obviously). Who knows, by the time the game comes out it might not even be that big of a deal, I just think it's unnecessary as it stands.

@kpaadet said:

@Hadoken101 said:

@Humanity said:

IT's funny how that whole shooting in a 360 arc while prone on the ground is such a small thing yet you think "how did no one else think of this yet?"

To be fair, Midway had that feature in Stranglehold back in 07

And Im pretty sure it also was in the previous Max Payne games.

Dunno about Strangehold but I'm pretty sure in previous Max Payne games when you'd leap and land on the floor, Max would awkwardly just lay there.

In relation to long-ago discussion on the Bombcast in regards to ragdoll, I think Rockstart solved it - the ragdoll physics look amazing. Not only do the bodies go limp, but in that close-up sequence with the one guy, the recoil of his shoulder and torso is unlike anything I've seen yet (granted, it's not a lot).

I'm now fully convinced of the mechanics being thorough and solid; everything looks amazing so far. All I have left is small gripes - I wish they'd have kept the single-dot reticule, although that may be an option. Also, he takes his pain pills towards the end of the video, and with the guy talking over I couldn't hear, but I really really really hope they'll keep the iconic chshink sound of the first two games. I always loved going though 6 after a long battle and hearing it go chsh-chsh-chsh-chsh-chsh-chshink. Reminds me of Pac Man CEDX's sound for eating a huge ghost train - the sound just brings forth a burst of adrenaline, making you want to say, "Fuck yeah! Let's do this!"

PS Hopefully they don't fuck up the PC port...

Man.. I still don't really like the direction of all this, no matter how good or fun it might turn out to be...

Why didn't they improvise a new IP simply`???....

@nomorehalfmeasures said:

@Abyssfull said:

This looks it could very be one of the greatest shooters of all time. Nothing about it looks revolutionary, but the incredibly refined gameplay and meticulously honed animations look like it may easily steal the crown like a boss from... whichever game people often associate featuring the best 3PS'ing of all time. Gears 3? Vanquish?

Max Payne and Max Payne 2

Ha! XD

@BR4DL3I9H:

My god, there's more to noir than just snow and a big city skyline.(Course, that's in MP3 as well)

I freaking love that physics engine! It just keep getting better and better.

love it

This video feels like an infomercial.

It looks great, but I'm not completely sold on the "Evolution" in gameplay. Torso twisting, bullet time(standing or laying down) was all done in Max Payne and then some. Max Payne 2 was one of my favorite, "just shoot guys" games so I am still excited for it nonetheless.

@pyide: I knew it was deved my Remedy, but they were both published by R*. Max Payne 2 is probably my all time favoriate game. Major flub om my part, but thanks for replying so that people aren't misinformed by my comment.

@xite said:

If the game doesn't cover Max's crippling painkiller addiction I will be disappointed.

Well he was poping pills in one part of the trailer and they said Max would be a drug addict and alcoholic in game.

Holy shit, this continues to impress.

Shaved head Max reminds me of Walter White. Maybe I'll just pretend that's who he is while playing the game.

well i'm sold

Lookin' goooooooood.

@Skyfire543: Max Payne 1 & 2 were not Rockstar developed games. They were made by Remedy Entertainment (the Alan Wake guys). You are probably confused because Rockstar published the first one on console and did the PS2 port, they also did the console ports and were the publisher for all versions of Max Payne 2.

A big reason why I'm not sold on Max Payne 3 is because Remedy has no involvement, and because it's using Rockstar's own engine. Which was fine for rendering the open world expanses of GTA4 and RDR, but still felt kind of clunky when it came down to the core feel and mechanics especially compared to something as tight as Max Payne, even after all these years. Plus the PC version of GTA4 was poorly optimized, I'm grateful there is a PC version at all but I do hope they didn't fuck Max Payne up too much.

Shaved head Max reminds me of Walter White. Maybe I'll just pretend that's who he is while playing the game.

Yes, this will be a Max Payne ass Max Payne game and I am excited.

@ZarakixKenpachi said:

This looks great, there's something about it that makes it seem so gorgeous. I wonder how long MP3 is going to be though? A Rockstar game that's not an open world? Can't wait.

Max Payne 1 and 2...Not open world, Rockstar games.

1 took me about 9 hours first play through, 2 took me about 7 first play through. Plus they're replayable as shit. I've probably beaten Max Payne 2 10 times and I'm still not bored of it.

If this doesnt have a "Neighbour of the beast" joke I'll be dissapointed. But then I wont give a fuck becuase it's gonna be so damn awesome.

The countless weapons combinations thing confuses me. Isn't it better just to carry all of them like before?

This game looks great. I have to be honest though, it doesn't look revolutionary in any way. These days it is far more difficult to make a truely revolutionary 3rd person shooter, but what they do have seems really polished. Plus, the animations look amazing. I am dissappointed to see such a big step away from noir though.

@nomorehalfmeasures said:

@Abyssfull said:

This looks it could very be one of the greatest shooters of all time. Nothing about it looks revolutionary, but the incredibly refined gameplay and meticulously honed animations look like it may easily steal the crown like a boss from... whichever game people often associate featuring the best 3PS'ing of all time. Gears 3? Vanquish?

Max Payne and Max Payne 2

I'm a Max Payne fan. This started to feel and look like Max Payne..I don't know why it bothers me but I'll accept a bald headed max, it's just he defined his charactor without affecting a charactor part outside his New York cop origons(Italian/Irish/Polish/other).. even the beard looks strange. But I'm hearing it's all in the story.

@Sooty: Walter White is a bad-ass, also.. Max isn't fat :S

@Abyssfull said:

This looks it could very be one of the greatest shooters of all time. Nothing about it looks revolutionary, but the incredibly refined gameplay and meticulously honed animations look like it may easily steal the crown like a boss from... whichever game people often associate featuring the best 3PS'ing of all time. Gears 3? Vanquish?

Max Payne and Max Payne 2

@Hadoken101 said:

@Humanity said:

IT's funny how that whole shooting in a 360 arc while prone on the ground is such a small thing yet you think "how did no one else think of this yet?"

To be fair, Midway had that feature in Stranglehold back in 07

And Im pretty sure it also was in the previous Max Payne games.

Music sounded all Red Dead Redemption-y at the end there. I likey!

@Humanity said:

IT's funny how that whole shooting in a 360 arc while prone on the ground is such a small thing yet you think "how did no one else think of this yet?"

To be fair, Midway had that feature in Stranglehold back in 07

The most fun I had with both GTA 4 and RDR involved the ragdoll physics, and other euphoria-powered things, can't wait to see how truly amazing all that stuff can be when in a more contained sort of game.

That aiming looked extremely awkward.

Throwing my money at the screen. WHY IS NOTHING HAPPENING?!

IT's funny how that whole shooting in a 360 arc while prone on the ground is such a small thing yet you think "how did no one else think of this yet?"

2 HYPE! Now the PC version just has to be good...

I can't wait for this.

@Vitor: Yes I was aware, It has just been a long road since that Game Informer cover story.

Looks awesome. First thought is is more technically competent Uncharted.

This looks it could very be one of the greatest shooters of all time. Nothing about it looks revolutionary, but the incredibly refined gameplay and meticulously honed animations look like it may easily steal the crown like a boss from... whichever game people often associate featuring the best 3PS'ing of all time. Gears 3? Vanquish?

I don't care what the vocal minority of Internet haters says. This looks damn good, and with Rockstar's talent for penning gritty stories this is one of my most anticipated games of the year

Ah, all of this is nice, I wish all of Rockstar's tech was on this level at least for GTA IV.

Hoping they learn something from this for GTA5's shooting, this looks off the chain.

Looking good...