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Edited by JonDo

Music industry lawyers are so scary they don't even have to sue you, you're just like "Ehhh, not worth the risk. Lets censor(right word?) people who have radios playing in the other room on their stream, just to be safe". Plus, live Content ID is coming, believe it.

I agree with Patrick, Intellectual Property laws are outdated. Someone playing Metallica on their stream does not deserve everything muted, I'm sorry. I'm for artist rights, but..

I'm more concerned that if the trend continues that streaming music isn't okay in any circumstance, streaming game footage MAY (not "will") come into question.

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Posted by DerekDanahy

Have a good weekend guys.

Posted by development

I was wondering if I was the only one that couldn't get to the chat.

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Posted by monkeystick

I'm getting "this video is unavailable" right now. Aw shucks.

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Yup. Twitch has built-in functionality on the new consoles. They can do whatever they want now. They didn't even build in some kind of check to determine if X song should be "allowed" on Y game. Sooo many games have copyrighted music in them. Of course, many people don't even watch archives, so I wonder how much it will actually affect things in the long run.

In regards to the archive time limit, I worry about stuff like this:

Will this disappear, or does this limited-duration archive rule only apply to new archives?

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Posted by monkeystick

Disregard, working now!

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Posted by Draxyle

I can think of no reason that the music industry would come after live streaming other than to be litigious, though we kinda always knew it was never about the sales of music.

Posted by Mechanized

They should do a 4 player Diablo 3 sesh. Alex, Patrick, and like... Drew and Dan. That would be amazing.

Posted by Hassun
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@uninvincible said:

@development: This is my favorite fever dream.

3:45 Ryan: "I feel like a nightmare is happening."

I'm gonna need to figure out how to rip videos from Twitch before this gets disappeared. It's too precious.

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Posted by Existence

For people worried about losing access to the twitch archives which were never put up on Giant Bomb, Giant Bomb Unarchived is an initiative by people from the GAF GB thread to preserve them on youtube.

Posted by ninjalegend

I may pick up both Assassins Creed games. I want to see what the series can do on this new generation of consoles. And there are not that many new games out this year on PS4 or XB1. I want to see what Rogue has in store because I really liked the boat stuff. It seems like AC4 was more of a stopgap for between AC3 and Unity. They wrapped up the Desmond story and it feels like they told the team "I hear people like pirates and we do have boat assets." AC4 turned out to be my favorite AC since Brotherhood. Even the out of the animus stuff was crazy and felt like they told the team to do what they want. If the team has the same carte blanche, I will be interested to see what they come up with.

What Patrick said about swapping new games for old ones in 1080P gave me pause. I think a lot of people believe that to be true. I know work goes into making those games look and run great, but not nearly the work that goes into a full game, so it is not really a swap. I doubt it takes a 5th of the development cycle of a game. For people like myself it is a really nice thing to have as an option. I still have my PS3 hooked up so I can play great games like Sleeping Dogs or GTA5. After playing new release like Ryse or Infamous 3 that were mediocre, or flat out broken ones like Battlefeild 4 or NBA live, it's good to cleanse the experience by playing great games. This brings me one step closer to putting my old PS3 in storage. I don't think I'll care as much about these remakes once the systems really get going and Fall Out 4 comes out within a month of the next IP that takes the gaming world by storm. For now, can you think of one new PS4/XB1 game even close to how great The Last of Us was? I am also glad they come with the add ons and dlc as it is rare I purchase either one.

Posted by DjDonFrancisco

Destiny beta on the Xbox 360 wasn't THAT bad. It definitely wasn't unplayable and looked relatively great considering it was on a "last gen" console. Anyone saying otherwise couldn't have spent that much time with it. If the reviews come around positive on it then I'd have no problem picking up a copy for a 360.

Posted by Crono

I'm glad that you guys are covering games that don't traditionally get much coverage. I mean, when you DO cover them, it's obvious why they don't get much coverage. But I like seeing the full spectrum of gaming. Also, Patrick, are we going to see you go from almost actively disinterested in Diablo 3 to coming back in a week saying "So I played Diablo 3 and OMG it's so super great, everyone should play it!" Because that game is actually really good if you allow it to suck the hours away.

Posted by Jacanuk

lol are these guys for real? im not 21 anymore, Cant go on a bender now being close to 30..... Patrick and Alex Navarro LOL you guys are still young so act like it :D

Edited by Luck702

Good luck with your brother in law Patrick.

Edited by spraynardtatum

Copyright law needs to change but the people that should be fighting for that kind of change (google, twitch, etc) are the ones making it worse. We should absolutely blame Twitch for the automated system they made along with the copyright laws themselves.

They don't care. They obviously don't give half a shit about helping anyone and we shouldn't support them.

It's not an argument to say that it was inevitable or understandable like Patrick and Alex do here. Inevitability has nothing to do with it.

Posted by Eaxis

Thanks duders, I've been trying to catch up and it's been great to get your perspectives about news/stories I would miss otherwise.

Edited by Mr_Creeper

Destiny beta on the Xbox 360 wasn't THAT bad. It definitely wasn't unplayable and looked relatively great considering it was on a "last gen" console. Anyone saying otherwise couldn't have spent that much time with it. If the reviews come around positive on it then I'd have no problem picking up a copy for a 360.

I'd have to say the same for the PlayStation 3 version: totally playable and looked good, for the most part. Though, I'll be passing on it until after I upgrade my PC and then buy a PlayStation 4 to play it.

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@spraynardtatum said:

Copyright law needs to change but the people that should be fighting for that kind of change (google, twitch, etc) are the ones making it worse. We should absolutely blame Twitch for the automated system they made along with the copyright laws themselves.

They don't care. They obviously don't give half a shit about helping anyone and we shouldn't support them.

It's not an argument to say that it was inevitable or understandable like Patrick and Alex do here. Inevitability has nothing to do with it.

I agree. "Inevitable" has become a weird replacement word for "convenient" when it comes to corporate mandates. (Such as when game press folks were calling the Xbox One DRM "inevitable," less than 14 months ago.)

As far as Twitch worrying about licensed music goes, grappling with copyright law is part of the business they signed up for. If they don't want to do it, they're no longer doing a good job.

Hopefully having a strong "brand name" isn't enough to make people overlook such a huge drop in quality of service.

Posted by boldspud

The artist y'all were looking for with the melting clocks is Salvador Dali.

Edited by RonGalaxy

The current content ID stuff that twitch implemented is so lazy of them. All they need to do is implement the same content ID tech and when it detects something infringing on their policy disable playback of the video and give notice to the creator, then give them tools that allow them to handle it themselves. Give them the ability to mute sections, or prove that it doesn't infringe on anything. You give them like 15 days to do this. After 15 days you rerun the test and if they dont pass then take the video down, block a random 30 minute chunk, whatever. I feel a lot of this would be solved if twitch put it on the content creators to manage there own stuff. If they don't manage it, then they obviously don't care and shouldn't be apart of the community anyway.

Posted by MythDarK

I guess free advertisement isn't in the interests of music companies. They want to get paid for their advertisement, and that's enough for me to boycott Twitch.

Posted by whitegreyblack

@development: That video is one of my favorites and its loss would be truly sad. "She's got a penitentiary body."

@hassun: Thanks for the link. Not sure I'm going to be able to finish reading the Eurogamer interview - reading the Crytek CEO's answers keeps making waves of nausea wash over me. It's quite uncomfortable. He seems... terrible.

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@whitegreyblack: He certainly seems to be in full corporate asshole mode.

Posted by AMyggen

@development: That video is one of my favorites and its loss would be truly sad. "She's got a penitentiary body."

@hassun: Thanks for the link. Not sure I'm going to be able to finish reading the Eurogamer interview - reading the Crytek CEO's answers keeps making waves of nausea wash over me. It's quite uncomfortable. He seems... terrible.

That video has been up on YT for a while, actually.