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Posted by Rasmoss

@rickyyo: It's a Neil Young song. TON just covered it.

Posted by Fnrslvr

Hm, H.P. Lovecraft and his circle of collaborators did a similar "pretend a mythological reference book exists that accounts for our fiction as though it were fact" thing with the Necronomicon.

Also apparently the technique is quite common:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_document#In_fiction

Posted by CornBREDX

I think what I like most about both quick looks of SoM is all the discussion about the LotR books and the Silmarillion. Not necessarily because the Silmarillion is good (it's really boring to read), but because the stuff in it is fascinating if you like that world or even like to study writing, language, and culture in general.

I, unlike Brad, actually enjoy the new Hobbit movies. They aren't as good as the book (mainly because of them stretching it out and adding back story from the Silmarillion to it and because they add stuff that isn't even in the book), but they're still fun movies and the writing hasn't been that bad if you can separate the movies from the book. I would still recommend people read the book first instead of seeing the movie. It really is better.

The 70s cartoon is still my favorite The Hobbit movie, though. I especially prefer the way they did Gollum so much more. He's so much more intense and creepy in that one.

@danryckert: I don't know if you'd ever read this, but The Silmarillion is basically Tolkien's notes on the history of the world he is writing in. It's the back story, and he made it into a book. It's really boring because of that and it being written like a bible in a way.

It's actually important to do this when writing any setting that requires a really intricate back story (similar to an outline, but a little more fleshed out), but it's especially necessary with high fantasy so you know where things come from and where they will go. It helps inform you on how your characters think, how their families would think and establish a cultural basis. I don't know if Tolkien was the first to do this (he may have been), but it is one thing he did as a writer that inspired my own way of writing fiction. It's really fun to do, but when you write something that intricate it can take a really long time.

Tolkien also indulged in this by pretending it was real for the sake of fantasy. Not because he is crazy per say (not anymore than humans are in general =P ). Although you know what they say. There's a fine line between genius and insanity.

It's similar, though, to how they said that The Blair Witch project was a real tape they found. It just gives flavor to the publicizing of the story. It makes it fun.

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Posted by EricSmith

Man, when Brad starts talking about the LotR mythology, Dan starts acting like a real fucking dick. Like, shit, man. Be an adult and hold a real conversation.

Posted by zenmastah

Posted by rickyyo

@rasmoss said:

@rickyyo: It's a Neil Young song. TON just covered it.

Right I forgot about that. Thanks.

Posted by Vashyron

I wasn't a huge fan of the first Hobbit movie. Saw the second one and once Legolas appeared and they introduced the love story between the dwarf and elf, I completely checked out.

Edited by GhostHouse

The amount of ignorance is strong in this one

Posted by SpaceCouncil

Tell us how you really feel about LotR Brad

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

It's hard to watch these quick looks

Posted by Jeverage

I love Dan, and I've never found him annoying.

...holy shit though, this got pretty close. Brad, you are a man of great composure.

Posted by bceagles128

Oh my god. I'm not even really into Tolkein, but why would you have someone do this quick look who has never seen or read LOTR? Ryckert's constant stupid questions were so annoying.

Posted by Tits_Matador

@brad: To be fair to you I was surprised to see that you didn't have your regular game runes when you did check.

Also when you were trying to explain the Red Book of Westmarch stuff to Dan he might have understood if you used the word "kayfabe" a whole bunch.

Posted by mellotronrules

Man, when Brad starts talking about the LotR mythology, Dan starts acting like a real fucking dick. Like, shit, man. Be an adult and hold a real conversation.

A real adult conversation about elves and wizards and orcs.

Lighten up guy! It's possible to make fun of the thing you love! It's also possible to love both Dan and LotR!

Posted by LiquidPrince

Man, the gameplay looks janky as shit... Having the Caragor run up against the wall for five seconds before not climbing looks dumb.

Edited by ZokuGojira

@maxb said:

I want a podcast of Brad explaining things to Dan

This.

Preferably, before Brad learns how to speak Ryckert. That whole bit would've been about 5 seconds long if he just said, "it's like Blair Witch, same idea as a found-footage movie."

As for Shadow of Mordor, everything involving riding or fighting carragors and other beasts was inferior to the core gameplay, IMO, so I'm not sold on the DLC. Even with the whole new roster of potential nemeses. I'd rather just have a game plus mode that resets the horde and strips out the tutorial and story mode.

Posted by HT101

I really hope that this DLC isn't you just being forced to use the Caragrath. That was my least favorite part of the game so I may just pass on this DLC. Can anyone tell me if this is the case or not?

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Posted by Majkiboy

@rasmoss said:

@brad there absolutely is reference to Sauron as an eye in the LOTR books. For instance when Frodo looks in the Mirror of Galadriel: "The Eye was rimmed with fire, but was itself glazed, yellow as a cat's, watchful and intent, and the black slit of its pupil opened on a pit, a window into nothing"

I think Brad meant that there is no physical eye that you see on top of the tower.


But yeah, I really remember some sort of an eye. I also thought about the mirror but also the palantirs. Although I actually don't remember if you see the eye in it... maybe it is just a representation for the movies and actually it is just like a portal where both parts looking becomes connected and they see whatever the other one is seeing. It is a bit fuzzy to me, I read the books a long time ago :D

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When's Brad going to start his Lord of The Rings Podcast?

I can listen to Brad and Dan talk about things forever.

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

Man, when Brad starts talking about the LotR mythology, Dan starts acting like a real fucking dick. Like, shit, man. Be an adult and hold a real conversation.

This. Like he asks questions to something he knows he won't like just so he can make fun of it more.

Posted by stryker1121

"Is the moral supposed to be if you're a lame little idiot you can still do some cool stuff?"

Oh Dan, still trolling us fantasy nerds.

Posted by xite

The idea that this might be the site's GOTY shows how dire this year was unless you owned a Wii U

I hope this game doesn't turn into another Skyrim when it comes to the GOTY discussions, with Brad being stubborn about it being #1 until everyone else gives in.

Posted by toisul

@brad Can we have a premium podcast where you just explain Lord of the Rings lore to @danryckert for a couple of hours?

Posted by Doombreed

Came for the quick look, stayed for the history lesson.

Posted by CitizenJP

I actually read the Silmarillion so it was nice to hear Brad going into some legit Middle-Earth lore. That's that ish right there.

Edited by anbilow

I'm not sure how Dan felt listening to Brad discuss the Silmarillion, but it was probably similar to how I feel when Dan discusses MGS.

EDIT: @danryckert, Hideo Kojima is also a crazy person. Just in case.

Posted by cosi83

can't stand hunting in games. put me right off Far Cry 3

Posted by flyingace16021

@try_again_later: Yeah definitely how I think about the hobbit movies. They're just super fun, even though they have a ton of problems.

Posted by Viking_Funeral

@gaff: Ah, that makes sense. Duh.

I skipped around this video quite a bit to see what was new. Sometimes I really dig the Giant Bomb style, and other times I'm looking for something more concise and informative. Probably should have looked elsewhere first so I could enjoy this QL for what it was.

Edited by Gildermershina

How can Dan not wrap his head around the idea of fictional mythology?

I wonder if when Star Wars opens with "A long time ago in a galaxy far far away..." Dan thinks that George Lucas actually believes this happened in the past in another galaxy.

Edited by ELpork

Can we get a Dan/@brad podcast where brad educates Dan for 3 hours about LOTR?

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@ravelle said:

When's Brad going to start his Lord of The Rings Podcast?

I can listen to Brad and Dan talk about things forever.

Just throw Alexa Ray Corriea in there. I would enjoy that.

Edited by Ravelle

@ravelle said:

When's Brad going to start his Lord of The Rings Podcast?

I can listen to Brad and Dan talk about things forever.

Just throw Alexa Ray Corriea in there. I would enjoy that.

Oh lord, yes. That would be the best.

Posted by Fredchuckdave

The Lord of the Rings is pretty boring to read but the Silmarillion is fascinating.

Posted by beatnik11

"So hes like L Ron Hubbard" Hahaha. Dan you beautiful crazy diamond. Dont ever change

Edited by Hassun

Bradley's insect stories are terrifying.

I love the LotR lore lesson though.

Posted by Alucitary

I really don't understand why people hate the Hobbit movies so much. Sure it's padded, but so what? They are beautiful and fun movies that bring us back to a world that we haven't been to in forever. It's not like the padding is bastardizing the source material either, and even if it was who cares? The Hobbit was probably just a children's book that most people read once growing up, and haven't though of since. The idea that people are taking such deep personal offense to something so benign is baffling to me.

Posted by Efesell

@xite said:
@deathbyyeti said:

The idea that this might be the site's GOTY shows how dire this year was unless you owned a Wii U

I hope this game doesn't turn into another Skyrim when it comes to the GOTY discussions, with Brad being stubborn about it being #1 until everyone else gives in.

It's a great game that everyone seemed pretty high on so I think it's pretty likely that this will be the game everyone falls back to when they fail to convince everyone else to go with their pick.

Posted by cooljammer00

Wait, is @brad implying they didn't do a "Worst Trend" category for GOTY this year? I hope they replaced it with something else just as good, because people need to be put on notice.

Posted by Faythdream10

Dan's "looking at everything through the lens of Metal Gear and wrestling" shtick is getting a bit tired. We all know you're not as one-dimensional as you let on, Ryckert. And as someone who touts being a writer and creative type, you ought to have some awareness of world-building devices like metafiction.

Oh, and this looks alright for $10. Shame the beasts seen here are basically just re-skins.

Posted by fetchfox

Brad just cannot explain anything coherently while playing... but it's great entertainment to watch. I'm picturing Dan sitting there with wide eyes grasping just a sliver of all that information.

Edited by StraightGrizzly

I love Dan, but oh boy was Drew right when he described Dan's way of talking as "incendiary." For example, when he notes that the hobbits, if not "cool action dudes" then must be "lame dorks."

This is coming from someone who could care less about LoTR. It's easy to see why people get so upset when a man who loves equally dumb shit, simply by talking the way he normally does, shits all over something that he doesn't like.

Also, the amount that Dan doesn't know about the world around him never fails to BAFFLE me completely. He hasn't at least seen someone get stung by a bee on television. Jesus, even a cartoon shows pretty much what happens when bees sting you. I don't think he is a stupid person, but boy I don't know how he didn't experience these things at all.

Posted by MormonWarrior

The Lord of the Rings is pretty boring to read but the Silmarillion is fascinating.

That's basically the exact opposite opinion of everyone I've ever talked to that's read both. I've only read LotR and Hobbit and...well, they're not exactly gripping at all times but they tell interesting stories.

Posted by erik_mckenny

Brad is really bad at explaining framing devices to Dan. There are thousands of books that pretend to be "real" as a fictional conceit, Dan, and most of their authors probably aren't crazy.

Posted by Veektarius

@alucitary: I don't hate the hobbit movies, I'll probably see the third (not in theaters, though). But for my part what I dislike about them is that I can picture a tighter movie experience that would have lost nothing if half of the stuff that wasn't in the main story was never put in. e.g. most everything with Radaghast.