The last two games got a lot of hype. Of course I was hyped. But as an MMO/Open world RPG fan, I felt these games were far to short. With the 1st one I can give the benefit of the doubt, and because of the quality of Fable I decided to give the 2nd one a chance, and guess what? It just wasn't enough. A game as "Large" and complex as this only offered me 12 hours at 100% completion? What is going on her Peter Molyneax? I feel like I'm not going to get enough bang for my buck this time around. He talks up fantastical worlds, adventures, danger, and wonder. I only get a very small taste of this when I play his games. (Overrated much?, maybe) Some things Fable is lacking:

1. Loot Lust. The games have like 4 sets of armor that don't really give stats. Weapons are okay I guess, still lacking in variety this portion of the game leaves MUCH to be desired.

2. Game length. Remember the snow place in the 1st game? Yeah that was the end of the game, as most "snow places" are However, I felt like that could have easily been the end of the 1st 50%. 4 sets of armor, (I judge the game based on loot progression/content which rightfully makes sense, guess not in fable =/) cool lets take it up a notch from here and really make our character shine.

3. Difficulty. I really felt like these games are far to easy, and lacking some serious complexity. More geared toward a smaller kid who likes to hack and slash their way through the story. They do a great job with what they give us though! But PETER ITS JUST NOT ENOUGH. Which brings me to my next point.

4. Content. We are promised things we just flat out don't get, or don't come close too. It's like when Oblivion hyped NPCs "Living out their daily lives." We get into the game and it means next to nothing, doesn't seem as cool as the tech demos described it as. "You can buy a whole town." Okay? Who gives a sh**? it doesn't do anything, except generate income (which is far to easy to get already.) I don't care about my wife, or my kid either. Why should I? (However I do feel a pet dog is awesome.)

5. The "Mystery Factor." One thing that Fable does almost right. This one brings me back to my childhood. Walking down through a corridor or a windy forest path and seeing a large imposing door. Looking at it and thinking "Oh my god I bet there is some cool sh** back there! I wonder how far in the game I have to be to unlock its awesome secrets!" Fable does this well. The mystery factor is a huge part of adventuring and exploring. (Zelda, "oh crap what Item do I need to progress here? I can't wait!") However I feel Fable doesn't mostly deliver on this point. I open the door and get a sword not quite as cool as the one I'm currently holding, or I go in just to find a fountain that restores health. Cool.

What Fable does RIGHT:
Everything else. Lets face it, I am writing this because I feel sad about the fact that I enjoyed my experience with these games so much I just want MORE. Imagine it with an MMO format? and a Morrowind sized world? Would you not crap your pants at the awesomeness? How come I only get to enjoy myself for 8-12 hours? I can't spend another 64$ for that amount of entertainment (compared to other games...) There is a lot of spirit and great Ideas in Fable that need to be pushed a bit farther for the expectations of the current gen gamer. Thank you for reading my rant, sorry for spelling mistakes!

Wait till Fable IIVXIIVVVIIIIIIXV

People said that about Fable 2, and it still sold 3 m units.

I'll be happy if being a completely evil asshole is a viable option in this game.

I really enjoy the Fable games. They give me the feeling that Zelda used to as a kid. They aren't perfect games, but the combat in Fable 2 was great. The magic powers might have been too robust even, making that system a little complicated. And I don't know how how you 100 percented that game in 12 hours. I spent that much time just doing blacksmith jobs.

I find the different approach they seem to be taking with Fable III interesting and I'll probably play it at some point, but maybe not get at release like I did with the first two. Plust the Kinect thing worries me cuz there's no way I'm gonna be able to afford Kinect.

" A game as "Large" and complex as this only offered me 12 hours at 100% completion? What is going on her Peter Molyneax? I feel like I'm not going to get enough bang for my buck this time around."

" Well ... you're not going to get any of those things from Fable III I'm afraid. The whole game has been simplified even further. For example, one of the developers said just the other day that you have all the spells in the game from the very beginning. It's a bit worrying such a lack of understanding about one of the big reasons why people play games - for progression, the sense of gradual empowerment and simply finding out what the next level of spells and abilities can offer. But then, they are not making games for me any more. "

Yeah, I'm done with the Fable franchise I think.  

" Wait till Fable IIVXIIVVVIIIIIIXV "

My biggest complaint of Fable 2 was how boring I thought the combat was. I think it has the potential to be an amazing franchise, but unfortunately I just think it's just not the franchise for me.

" @Darigaz: Why do you want Fable to be an MMO.  It's about sweeping change based on your choices.  How would that work.  Why do you have bad ideas.  You are trying to compare Fable to other games it doesn't even come close to resembling because that is what you want and not what Fable is.  I guess BIoshock wasn't worth the $60 because it wasn't 100 hours. We'll fuck me guys, let's start over from scratch. Less engrossing story lines and more boring grinding. "

Why do you have the preconceived notion that Fable needs difficulty, lengthiness, and loot? I don't get people who complain about this. Just because it looks a bit like some other RPGs it doesn't have to be the same game, and a lot of people prefer fable's structure to the 'typical' ones of other RPGs. Molyneux is trying to pull people away from those tropes, but some people just won't give up the potty.

The Fable franchise has taught me to never feel excited about a game before it actually comes out. 
 
Fable 1-was said to be just this amazing world, and it had like 10 weapons and 4 sets of armor with a different color depending  on good or evil.
 
Fable 2-was said to be awesome as well,  and when it comes out i see that you have like 5 spells and 4 ranks of weapons, armor doesn't even matter anymore. 
 
Fable 3- i can only imagine. 
 
What the hell happened that left the man that made one of my favorite games of all time, Black & White, turn into a babbling idiot when it comes to making a good game? But of course, i know the answer, money. The simpler a game is, the more people will buy it and like it because it doesn't force them to use their brain, thus ranking in more money for the company.  
 
R.I.P Peter Milyneax's Creativity.

" Imagine it with an MMO format? and a Morrowind sized world? "

" Wait till Fable IIVXIIVVVIIIIIIXV "

Meh, you guys are freaking out over my opinion. I never got the impression that it was sims with swords, because believe it or not fanboys, it doesn't do sims well either.
Jack of all trades master of none. /thread

The depth in the gameplay in fable is in:
- Customization: dyes, clothes, stuff (as in the sims)
- Having a family, or three (it's quite hard, and then you have a black child, something went wrong...)
-  Buying some houses and decorating them.
- Socializing through the gestures system (and that get's a lot of relevance in fable iii)
- Sandbox gameplay.
- All this with swords, that you use only for fun, since attacks with swords may be blocked while bullets and magic cannot be blocked, can be dealt at distance and magic is extremely more powerful. The swords are there just for fun, sandbox gameplay.

Combat is symbolic and way too easy, and if you don't like it you can just skip it, raise deaths, run away, win, only a few enemies have to actually be killed.
 
Don't get me wrong, I like fable, I'm going through fable ii three times and I'll be getting fable iii, the game in general is quite cool and satisfactory, I play games in general for that (a story, like a movie) interactive, you get some action, some fake achievement porn,  and that's it. For challenges I could try to solve P != NP (or maybe that has already be solved, I think I won't have time to read the paper, specially wasting it in internet forums...), creating a compression algorithm, and a lot of stuff, this is something I do in my spare time for fun, and fable is special in the way it is, and very fun.
 
I'd also like to have a more serious approach, with dynamic classes, etc. Maybe mass effect or the force unleashed, dunno.

Cool Story, Brah.

Holy fucking shit, his name is Molyneux.

Played both of them. Loved both of them. Will play the third one and will love it too.

"People said that about Fable 2, and it still sold 3 m units. "

" @Cube said:

"People said that about Fable 2, and it still sold 3 m units. "

I dont wanna get into the long list of reasons why Fable was mediocre. But I will say judging a games quality on sales is borderline phycotic. It makes no sense... "

"@iMAGiNE said:

" @Cube said:

"People said that about Fable 2, and it still sold 3 m units. "

I dont wanna get into the long list of reasons why Fable was mediocre. But I will say judging a games quality on sales is borderline phycotic. It makes no sense... "

If a lot of people enjoyed it and it got good reviews, what more do you want? Fable II was the shit. Can't wait for III. "

" @Fjordson said:

"@iMAGiNE said:

" @Cube said:

"People said that about Fable 2, and it still sold 3 m units. "

I dont wanna get into the long list of reasons why Fable was mediocre. But I will say judging a games quality on sales is borderline phycotic. It makes no sense... "

If a lot of people enjoyed it and it got good reviews, what more do you want? Fable II was the shit. Can't wait for III. "

What about what makes the game fun to ME!? Do you listen to what other people think about everything? A review is a basis for your purchasing decision, not a bible. I gaurantee its games you like that sold well that I (and others) find average or just plain bad. In MY opinion if I want an RPG experience its better product out there. I.E Oblivion,Fallout,Mass Effect, and Borderlands(just to name a few) But again, those games are fun to ME and not to everyone else... "

" @Karn said:

" Wait till Fable IIVXIIVVVIIIIIIXV "

Learn your roman numerals mister. "

4 fucking sets of clothing?! are you guys mad?!

A buddy of mine just picked up Fable 2 today for 20 bucks so I popped mine back in. I just couldn't get into it - a lot of it feels frustrating.  
-A lot of the parts where you can want to go to the pause/options menu but can't when you're in a "scene" 
-Feeling like it's running at about 20 FPS 
-Going into town for the first time, maxing blacksmithing and having tons of money and buying the same outfit I know I had last time I beat the game 
-I think character customization could be deeper - you basically have hair and SOME gear to pick from due to attractiveness penalties/gains if you worry about that - and the good/evil changes which kinda feels out of your hands if say you wan't to be good but not run around glowing. 
 
I think most of all I just don't trust a word out of Molyneux's mouth anymore. 

I never bothered with Fable II.

" @Trylks:  Role playing is, by definition, playing a role. Acting a part. Becoming a character. I think it has fulfilled that definition, just not in the way some people want it to. "

" @LordXavierBritish said:

" @Trylks:  Role playing is, by definition, playing a role. Acting a part. Becoming a character. I think it has fulfilled that definition, just not in the way some people want it to. "

No it's fucking not.  Not in computer games.  God, do I have to hear more of this tripe again?
 
RPGs are about mechanics, levelling, loot and skillsets.  Fable is an adventure game with some extremely lightweight RPG mechanics but it's not an RPG.  There's fuck all difference between any of the roles a player chooses aside from slight cosmetic differences.  There's no proper skillset or tech tree and loot is barely relevant to the game experience.  BUT YOU CAN FARTZ.  It's also a complete letdown of a series so far.  Maybe Molly will do a better job in 3?  I personally hope so. "

I'm psyched for it and have the Collectors Edition on Pre-Order, he has made some promises that never happened but, it's still a great series with an awesome story.

I really liked both Fable and Fable II. :|

I got both Fable games first day and was thoroughly disappointed with each.  I don't think I'm going to give them a chance for the third time to be a charm

" @SeriouslyNow said:

" @LordXavierBritish said:

" @Trylks:  Role playing is, by definition, playing a role. Acting a part. Becoming a character. I think it has fulfilled that definition, just not in the way some people want it to. "

No it's fucking not.  Not in computer games.  God, do I have to hear more of this tripe again?
 
RPGs are about mechanics, levelling, loot and skillsets.  Fable is an adventure game with some extremely lightweight RPG mechanics but it's not an RPG.  There's fuck all difference between any of the roles a player chooses aside from slight cosmetic differences.  There's no proper skillset or tech tree and loot is barely relevant to the game experience.  BUT YOU CAN FARTZ.  It's also a complete letdown of a series so far.  Maybe Molly will do a better job in 3?  I personally hope so. "

I wasn't aware you got to make up the definition of what role playing means.  I guess I'll know better next time. "

Single-player

Single player role-playing video games form a loosely defined genre of computer and console games with origins in role-playing games such as Dungeons & Dragons, on which they base much of their terminology, settings and game mechanics. This translation changes the experience of the game, providing a visual representation of the world but emphasizing statistical character development over collaborative, interactive storytelling.

       @LordXavierBritish

" @Aronman789:  You sir are equally ridiculous.  What gave you the impression that Fable was ever about the combat and not the world?   Also have you played Fable II? "

This will be the first Fable-game I won't buy within the first week of release. Might get it in a few years. Not this time, Molyneux.