Nintendo has won this generation well beyond console sales.

" Yeah yeah it's great that the other consoles are following suit with the motion controls and all that but at the end of the day, my Wii is still collecting dust. So...whatevs. "

" Yah we get it Nintendo won based on sales. Also yah thanks for introducing motion controls. IMO 360 and PS3 is for the core gamers. The Wii is just a platform for minigames. Yes I have a Wii but the damn thing collects dust because the last games I bought for that thing was Super Smash Bros Brawl and Metroid Prime 3. On the games side of things Nintendo finished dead last. "

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@Seppli said:

" @oldschool: My argument still stands. Nintendo did fail their core audience. They tapped into the market of succermoms (fitness) and drunks (minigames). Nothing Nintendo offers, has any appeal to me. This generation, Nintendo has lost me. I care about what I want. I don't give two shits about their sales. They don't mean nothing to me.That's my perspective on this matter. Nintendo lost me. Nintendo lost the core audience. Nintendo doesn't get us. Simple as that.Belitteling my opinion by calling me immature, shows a great deal of disrespect. For that, sir, I spit on you! "

What could Nintendo do to win you back Seppli? If new Mario and Metroid titles don't excite you, then it's doubtful that anything they could do ever will.I can understand if you don't like fitness games or mini-game collections. But if other people do then isn't that cool? If the older generation are finally getting into games isn't that something to celebrate? I think it's cool that people are waking up to the potential of games. "

By investing all that money into some serious research and developement.  Freeing the game developers community of all technological boundries. Gaming limited only by the imagination and the craftsmanship of the devs.I want to see them invest into futuristic technologies like 'ONlive'. Building a supercomputer network for some serious cloud computing. Investing their money into a better gaming future. "

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@Afroman269 said:

" Yah we get it Nintendo won based on sales. Also yah thanks for introducing motion controls. IMO 360 and PS3 is for the core gamers. The Wii is just a platform for minigames. Yes I have a Wii but the damn thing collects dust because the last games I bought for that thing was Super Smash Bros Brawl and Metroid Prime 3. On the games side of things Nintendo finished dead last. "

Why is that the only thing people talk about.  It is a broken record.  But I am gald you agree with my blog points.

For the love of SpongeBob can people read - NO VALUE JUDGEMENT.  I make no claims as to whether it is good, bad or indifferent.  It is good that there is innovation, but the outcome of that innovation is personal opinion.  My only opinion is about how it will be applied and marketed.

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To me it looks like you are only giving a slanted view to all of this. Why don't you mention anything about how for every solid wii game there are at least 15 shit wii games are released as well? My opinion is that you wouldn't include that because your not exactly a core gamer if you don't really enjoy playing games for the 360 or PS3. All your proving is that the Wii has won this generation yet the average core gamer doesn't give a shit about this thread because the games they want to play are on a 360 or PS3. "

" I don't know which is sadder: console bashing threads or console defense threads. "

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" Nintendo didn't win my gaming generation this time around, Microsoft did. "

What are you basing that on? Microsoft's lead on Sony is miniscule when you take into consideration Nintendo's domination of both of them.If you mean it's because Microsoft have provided you with satisfying games, then that's your opinion, and that's cool, but Oldschool is right.The fact that both competitors have essentially "copied" totally suggests Nintendo have dictated this gen. "

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I don't remember saying that games like persona or zelda were not core. I see now that you have different tastes in games for I do enjoy FPS as well as RPGs yet I would prefer for you to stop shooting down people's comments especially when people make comments about the Wii's library of few blockbuster titles compared to other consoles.

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I don't remember saying that games like persona or zelda were not core. I see now that you have different tastes in games for I do enjoy FPS as well as RPGs yet I would prefer for you to stop shooting down people's comments especially when people make comments about the Wii's library of few blockbuster titles compared to other consoles."

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I don't remember saying that games like persona or zelda were not core. I see now that you have different tastes in games for I do enjoy FPS as well as RPGs yet I would prefer for you to stop shooting down people's comments especially when people make comments about the Wii's library of few blockbuster titles compared to other consoles.

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For gods sake, he's commenting on the business side of gaming, not on the consumers side. Seemingly no one has understood that, and assumed he's attacking everyone else. People need to go outside, take a walk, come back and read this again, without looking for attacks that arent there "

It's the natural instinct of a fanboy. Anything that makes the "opposition" they feel so strongly against look "good" in any way, factual or not, has to be destroyed. Just as this thread got destroyed with senseless bashing over "no gaemz" and whatever else (sorry, all your arguments have been shot down in actually related threads, whackos). Everyone's just going "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU I LOVE MY CONSOLE AND IT'S THE BEST AND YOU'RE THE BIGGEST FANBOY IN THE WORLD. ME? TOTALLY NOT, that other system is OK too by me!!11" or something.Don't blame them, their fanboyism really makes them completely oblivious to the reality of this post which simply takes a look at the state of the industry rather than point out what is best, what is worst, and what should be killed with fire, as all that is 100% subjective and irrelevant. "

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I have just read this thread and I have to say, some guys take this stuff too seriously.  oldschool is correct in his statements that Nintendo's console won the sales race to a point that likely neither the 360 or PS3 will catch Wii.  Furthermore, the adoption of motion control technology by MS and Sony indicate that the market could be forever changed by the sales of the Wii.  The direction I WISHED this thread had taken (and almost did for a second) goes as follows - 

Nintendo has wiped the floor in terms of console sales and that is sweet for them.  The motion control certainly could change the face of console gaming if developers can really get them integrated well.  The larger impact that Nintendo has had on the market can be seen not by what MS and Sony are doing, rather by what they aren't doing.  Neither MS or Sony are in development of a new console.  The 360 and PS3 turn 4 and 3 respectively in November.  Typically, a system has a shelf-life of between 5 and 6 years.  MS should at least be hinting about the development of a new platform, but there is no indication said R&D is in process.  I think this could be due to the fact that a system with half the technical capabilities is outselling them so handily.   The market is dictating that graphics are not the only thing that sells systems.  In fact, from a solely business perspective (console sales) graphical capability is the least effective selling point (Wii is first in sales ATM, PS3 I believe is still in 3rd).  This could be GREAT for gamers.  

1.)  A few more years squeezed out of that 400 dollar system before plopping down 600 for a XBOX720 or PS4.  

2.)  Maybe gameplay will become revolutionized, not necessarily by motion controls, but by allowing developers more time with the platforms.  

3.)  Perhaps motion control will be everything it was in Galaxy or Metroid Prime3.  Maybe it will be taken even further than either of those games, and on games that would be compelling without motion control such as that pair.  We can hope.  So far, I haven't played a Wii game that has impressed me more than those two titles, so at over a year old they are still my reference.

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1.) Sony and MS may never again release a system that costs more to produce at launch than they can sell it for (PS, PS2 and PS3 all lost Sony serious cash that they recouped in licensing).  If Nintendo can release hardware that makes a profit on launch day... why can't MS and Sony? 

-For gamers and developers who want to see the line of graphics pushed constantly, the tide will turn back to PC.  Great for PC gamers.  Probably less so for console players.

2.) If motion control is expected to be a part of a title and forced on the developer for some weird reason (MS and Sony have powerful lawyers) gameplay could suffer.  If not gameplay, the game itself.

3.) Competition drives all markets.  With no new consoles on the horizon, don't expect any price drops on systems that would normally be in their twilight and thereby see a 25% or larger drop in MSRP.

So, that is a starting point that I hope someone runs with.  I think this is a good thread and I think that you make a valid point and open an interesting topic.  Nintendo wins in numbers.  MS and Sony react to said console sales, and (I would assume) the more important profit per console.  The Wii will change gaming.  I hope for the better."

"By your proclamation, that Nintendo is the winner of this generation,  you made an evaluation, not an observation. It rubs me the wrong way. The point I take is, that winning, in this case, is about winning me over. Not about how many other people Nintendo has won over (arguably), since gaming is a personal matter to me, not a business affair. So unless you are in the industry, I don't understand your point, because I can't relate to Nintendos financial success as a win. They are an epic fail to me.The only way, Nintendo could win me over this generation, is by offering a service comperable to 'OnLive' on the Wii, enabling me to play games like 'Crysis' at 60 FPS at full graphical excellence. I don't hold my breath. "

" Probably I have to explain the concept of perspective. Everything you state is but a reflection of Nintendo seen from the point of view you chose. The facts you base your statement on, aren't viable facts to me from my point of view. If I take your point view and entertain your train of thought, you are right, Nintendo won. But that isn't true to me. Unless you claim to possess the all-seeing eye and state the nature of Nintendo is pure win, your point is just as much tainted by a personal viewpoint as mine and thus is not of undeniable truth.I simply deny your claim to truth and fact. "

" Probably I have to explain the concept of perspective. Everything you state is but a reflection of Nintendo seen from the point of view you chose. The facts you base your statement on, aren't viable facts to me from my point of view. If I take your point view and entertain your train of thought, you are right, Nintendo won. But that isn't true to me. Unless you claim to possess the all-seeing eye and state the nature of Nintendo is pure win, your point is just as much tainted by a personal viewpoint as mine and thus is not of undeniable truth.I simply deny your claim to truth and fact. "

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Welcome first time poster.  Well put.

I do believe that it would be bad if a game console manufacturer never strived for raw power again.  Whilst I don't have the PS3, I admire it.  For me PS3 and 360 kind of compete, but I see consoles as complimentary.  Doing things differently gives a reason for buying them.  I don't want a single console.  I hope that the success of the Wii and motion controls doesn't harm the future of gaming, and I highly doubt it will.  Traditional controllers are going nowhere.  They will be improved but still around.

I also believe the Wii has chamged things for the better.  It forces through market needs to research and adapt.  Think of the changes as additions as opposed to replacements.  Most assuredly they will be.

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" Probably I have to explain the concept of perspective. Everything you state is but a reflection of Nintendo seen from the point of view you chose. The facts you base your statement on, aren't viable facts to me from my point of view. If I take your point view and entertain your train of thought, you are right, Nintendo won. But that isn't true to me. Unless you claim to possess the all-seeing eye and state the nature of Nintendo is pure win, your point is just as much tainted by a personal viewpoint as mine and thus is not of undeniable truth.I simply deny your claim to truth and fact. "

Seppli, i have a hard time believing what you are doing here. Nintendo has hands down won the console generation from a buisness perspective, which is the one that Old School has taken from the very begninning, and has made that point abundantly clear. His post only deals with the industry, not with the quality and number of games available. He is using hard numbers. You arent even arguing the same point. Whether or not the 360 is the better console for "gamers" isnt something Oldschool is arguing to any extent.  "

The business point of view isn't the only point of view on the matter about who is winning or losing this generation. Let's modify OldSchools statement by the simple question: 'What did Nintendo win this generation'. Answer that question and then check, if anything Nintendo won, means something to you. If it doesn't, it might be, that 'Nintendo isn't the Winner of this Generation', because business facts matter little to your own personal little world. Every rabid PS3 Fanboy is living proof of that. "

" You Nintendo fanboys better not turn this forum into NeoGAF where people care more about companies' profits than games...There's absolutely no reason for a gamer to make this thread other than for trolling purposes.People shouldn't have even replied to this crap. "

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I think the Wii has turned away alot of what was considered to be current gamers in order to attract those not familiar with video gaming, hence resulting in popularity with a lot of parents, kids, and the older folk. It really opened the gate for casual gaming to newcomers, but the flood of third party titles that eventually amounted to a huge pile of shitastic games just further turned off regular gamers while only inviting in more newcomer casual gamers.

With that said, I really see no problem with the Wii as far as the Nintendo company is concerned, because I see their investment in motion technology as opposed to what is considered next gen graphics to be a calculated risk that seems to have payed off in terms of profit. The games Nintendo is directly responsible for, such as mario galaxy and twilight princess, were really good in my opinion. But thats where the problem lies. With such a diverse and large group flocking towards the Wii, there are too many opinions to appease.

Thus third party titles are made, and even the most pointless and pathetic of those (GB's coverage of The Munchables, for example) manage to somehow sell. I honestly see no point to certain games, such as that cookbook title for the DS, when the internet is readily available not only with free online recipes, but some have tutorial videos to show everystep in preparing a meal so its virtually impossible to mess up. In my opinion, most third party titles (though I admit not all) are like the Wayan's Brothers'Movie Parodies. Sure, we laughed at the first couple, but now its just dragged out and sad. And its still shocking to see that the movies actually made money.

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@Diamond said:

" You Nintendo fanboys better not turn this forum into NeoGAF where people care more about companies' profits than games...There's absolutely no reason for a gamer to make this thread other than for trolling purposes.People shouldn't have even replied to this crap. "

It's his blog, he can do what he wants. It's relevant, thus he put it in the general forum. And actually it's your fanboy kind, and not Nintendo's that keeps bringing up sales, citing the lower sales of "core" games on the Wii as some kind of valid reason against it. But anyway, that's off topic, and you're one of the many trolls replying in this blog post, seemingly without reading it, or being able to understand plain English. "

Al3xand3r, you're becoming the worst troll on this entire forum.  Your constant shitty Nintendo threads, you basically account for 75% of all Wii forum posts.  Calling other people trolls just for disagreeing with you.  Worst thing is, you're subversive enough to get away with it.  Shitting up every thread you can. "