What is wrong with this generation of gamers?

 It seems as tough they try to defend "big" Business.

For example I see people on many boards defending DLC practices- such as DLC Maps released a week after the game.

Defending Sony for removing the other OS

Defending MS for giving them a 3 year warranty on RROD's ( sure it was nice but when the Warranties up that's it you're done for)

Defending Nintendo for abandoning the core games and producing Wii"titles" (Wii Fit, Wii Music etc.)


Defending a lot of bad business practices like DRM and a crapload of other things.

What is wrong with today's gamer? It seems like they are to busy kissing the companies ass and adoring them for making more money. But keep in mind the more money a company makes the worst they become. I mean look at nintendo.... flithy rich but they forgot about the core gamers! A lot of the stuff being done is for the benefit of the companies who pretty much like to screw over the gamer as of late. I kind of miss last gen (the second golden age of gaming) Stuff was a tad bit simpler but companies are screwing over almost everyone as of late.... I just can't fathom how people can just defend them. I'm sorry but a selfish consumer is better then one who bends over and accepts the rape. Why? Because the consumer holds more power then the company... With that being said gaming is in a sad state of political affairs that harm the gamer more then benefit. 

...Claiming MW2 to be a good game. 
 
 
:E

" ...Claiming MW2 to be a good game.   :E "

I agree totally. I don't know why gamers are pushovers, maybe because it's much younger market than with other 'entertainment'.

RROD has a lifetime warranty bud.

It's called fanboyism.  People are going to defend the things that they invest time and money into, and it will never go away.

They're just more well-educated and have gained a higher knowledge in how corporations work. No need to a rebel just for the sake of it.

Most of us don't give a shit. 

 I'm sorry but a selfish consumer is better then one who bends over and accepts the rape.  

1. Consumers try to justify their purchases and bets, like in MW2 or in Nintendo, or Sony or Microsoft for that matter;
2. Consumers come to identify with products and trademarks they buy, and defend them as they defend themselves.

Gaming has become massive now. Obviously the companies want to attack the audience with what they want-and our young teens are into FPS's in particular. Who dominates these markets? Call of Duty (Activision). Halo (Microsoft). Gears of War (Microsoft).

In case rallying for health insurers didn't already tip you off, the country is fully indoctrinated into appeasing the plutocracy. This is what happens when you value yourself so much, you tend to care about your little products above all else. Its modern religion. Don't wanna piss off your new gods.

" @ShadowofIntent:  Um... no RROD is 3 year from date of purchase not lifetime....   http://www.gamespot.com/news/6173633.html  Tada you've just been owned. "

Seems to me it's more the opposite with people bitching about every little thing that every company does, good or bad. 

What do you mean this generation? 

I remember being a kid and arguing over the SNES and Mega Drive.  I remember people throwing logic out of the window to defend the PSOne or N64.  I remember people defending Sega's business strategy with the 32X, Sega CD and Saturn... 
 
Fanboys are no better or worse now than they used to be.

" It's called fanboyism.  People are going to defend the things that they invest time and money into, and it will never go away. "

Will whining about it get you anywhere? No. So either quit games or roll with the punches.

Because when someone spends that much money on a games console, they like to justify that they made the right choice. It's simple psychology. And it's nothing new. It's been happening since people were buying a Coleco Telsar instead of a Magnavox Odyssey.

" Will whining about it get you anywhere? No. So either quit games or roll with the punches. "

With all of the bad stuff also came a bunch of good stuff. 10 years ago people would've never even dreamed of services like XBLA or Steam. The Nintendo Wii has a lot of more casual titles on it but it also opened up a new audience and launched video games into the mainstream. Overall, it's pretty much the best generation yet. 

"  It seems as tough they try to defend "big" Business.For example I see people on many boards defending DLC practices- such as DLC Maps released a week after the game.Defending Sony for removing the other OSDefending MS for giving them a 3 year warranty on RROD's ( sure it was nice but when the Warranties up that's it you're done for)Defending Nintendo for abandoning the core games and producing Wii"titles" (Wii Fit, Wii Music etc.)Defending a lot of bad business practices like DRM and a crapload of other things.What is wrong with today's gamer? It seems like they are to busy kissing the companies ass and adoring them for making more money. But keep in mind the more money a company makes the worst they become. I mean look at nintendo.... flithy rich but they forgot about the core gamers! A lot of the stuff being done is for the benefit of the companies who pretty much like to screw over the gamer as of late. I kind of miss last gen (the second golden age of gaming) Stuff was a tad bit simpler but companies are screwing over almost everyone as of late.... I just can't fathom how people can just defend them. I'm sorry but a selfish consumer is better then one who bends over and accepts the rape. Why? Because the consumer holds more power then the company... With that being said gaming is in a sad state of political affairs that harm the gamer more then benefit.  "

How about all the previous generations of gamers that were exactly like this? 
Or were most of you guys born 8 years ago?

Are any of those points actually relevant? There is now a large enough market place to sustain different views/machines/practices. If you don't like how one thing is done, go somewhere else. Corporations don't give a shit about individuals. They just want your money en masse. They always screw people over...its called consumerism. You would do exactly the same in their positions if you had the weight of a large company behind you.  It was exactly the same 10 years ago, there are just more ways for them to do it now with digital distribution.  " 
 
I think thats OP's point. You understand that corporations treat people like garbage, and you allow it due to consumerism. Then you cite that individuals do not mean anything. This attitude is what perpetuates corporate greed and them not caring. Individuals do have the ability to make people care. They can choose to buy or not buy a product. Mobilizing a group of individuals to not buy something should be easier today than it was 10 years ago. We have an entire community of core gamers on this site alone that could chose to boycot and or not support a company and do it as a unit...... but we chose not to.  
 
The OP recognizes the immense power the consumer has today, yet is baffled as to why people refuse to use it and beyond that defend deplorable behavior.

" For example I see people on many boards defending DLC practices- such as DLC Maps released a week after the game. "

"Defending Sony for removing the other OS"

"Defending MS for giving them a 3 year warranty on RROD's ( sure it was nice but when the Warranties up that's it you're done for) "

"Defending Nintendo for abandoning the core games and producing Wii"titles" (Wii Fit, Wii Music etc.) "

"Defending a lot of bad business practices like DRM and a crapload of other things."

" Most of us don't give a shit.  "

" I think thats OP's point. You understand that corporations treat people like garbage, and you allow it due to consumerism. Then you cite that individuals do not mean anything. This attitude is what perpetuates corporate greed and them not caring. Individuals do have the ability to make people care. They can choose to buy or not buy a product. Mobilizing a group of individuals to not buy something should be easier today than it was 10 years ago. We have an entire community of core gamers on this site alone that could chose to boycot and or not support a company and do it as a unit...... but we chose not to.   The OP recognizes the immense power the consumer has today, yet is baffled as to why people refuse to use it and beyond that defend deplorable behavior. "

And this is somehow different from the gaggle of fanboys we've had since the NES era?

The problem is that a lot of people do get mad about things, but it doesn't really change much! 
 
The internet got angry about Spore when it came out because of its DRM and not being as scientific as it hyped it up to be, but it doesn't exactly mean that they'll release another version without DRM and with all the cut features included.   The complaints go completely ignored. 
 
As for the people who do defend stupid things, it's not a generational thing...  I've seen older people who grew up with Atari's defending the Wii only having WiiWare games per console and not per account, for example, just because they grew up being Nintendo obsessives!

Nothing. 
Get off your high horse.

mostly its the not reading. Its very difficult not be an sychophantic  idiot  believing all you hear from PR if you dont read.
Sony "Vibration and motion sensing is too hard" Yes it is, mainly because of instead of working on it you were busy finding all the dicks in the world to suck.
Suddenly its not so hard to do, I can only presume they found all the dicks, but people bought that crap.

"  It seems as tough they try to defend "big" Business.For example I see people on many boards defending DLC practices- such as DLC Maps released a week after the game.Defending Sony for removing the other OSDefending MS for giving them a 3 year warranty on RROD's ( sure it was nice but when the Warranties up that's it you're done for)Defending Nintendo for abandoning the core games and producing Wii"titles" (Wii Fit, Wii Music etc.)Defending a lot of bad business practices like DRM and a crapload of other things.What is wrong with today's gamer? It seems like they are to busy kissing the companies ass and adoring them for making more money. But keep in mind the more money a company makes the worst they become. I mean look at nintendo.... flithy rich but they forgot about the core gamers! A lot of the stuff being done is for the benefit of the companies who pretty much like to screw over the gamer as of late. I kind of miss last gen (the second golden age of gaming) Stuff was a tad bit simpler but companies are screwing over almost everyone as of late.... I just can't fathom how people can just defend them. I'm sorry but a selfish consumer is better then one who bends over and accepts the rape. Why? Because the consumer holds more power then the company... With that being said gaming is in a sad state of political affairs that harm the gamer more then benefit.  "

There's nothing wrong with this generation, since the internet expanded and forums became popular a lot of people have a place to voice their opinions.  

FIGHT THE POWA!

" @Turbofirejames said:

" I think thats OP's point. You understand that corporations treat people like garbage, and you allow it due to consumerism. Then you cite that individuals do not mean anything. This attitude is what perpetuates corporate greed and them not caring. Individuals do have the ability to make people care. They can choose to buy or not buy a product. Mobilizing a group of individuals to not buy something should be easier today than it was 10 years ago. We have an entire community of core gamers on this site alone that could chose to boycot and or not support a company and do it as a unit...... but we chose not to.   The OP recognizes the immense power the consumer has today, yet is baffled as to why people refuse to use it and beyond that defend deplorable behavior. "

 This guy hit the nail on the head. "

Point taken. 
 
I would argue that those gamers efforts are undermined due to people who take the "i cant make a difference so... whatever" strategy. The beauty of capitalism is that consumer's have power. Coca-cola made new coke. It was awful, people didn't but it, now we have Coca-cola classic. Sega made the Dreamcast, people didn't buy it. Sega doesn't make consoles anymore. If I remember correctly the entire videogame industry made bad home console games in the 80's. People didn't want crappy games. The market crashed.  Nintendo made quality games and the market recovered. Purchases dictate what exist, and what companies are able to do.    

If it were not for big business, our hobby wouldn't be what it is today.  It either wouldn't exist in ANY format close to what it is, or consoles and games would be supremely expensive.  What companies can risk billions in losses but big business?  Big business is the only way we have cheap, mass produced, powerful consoles.   No small corporation or business could possibly hope get funding to produce a console in this day and age.  
 
I think it's fair to criticize big businesses, small businesses, and anyone in between.  I do NOT criticize big or small businesses, just because of their size.  That's stupid. 
 
Look, Sony dropping other OS was to prevent piracy.  I certainly understand their reasoning.  I also see why so many people are pissed about it.  There's good and bad that comes from it.  Most anti-business people will just blindly seize on the negative, which is that they are removing an advertised feature.  They won't look at the upside, which is that if it really does prevent more piracy, we'll all get more games because more SMALL business game producers will make enough money to pay their employees. 
 
The fact is, BIG business, AND SMALL business are made up of people.  Poor people.  Middle class people.  Rich people.  The bigger the business, the more middle class and poor people work for them.  So if those big businesses do poorly, or are harmed by piracy and need to protect themselves by removing a feature, they are not just protecting the business, they are protecting the employment of poor and middle class workers who are harmed the most by theft and piracy.  Those are your neighbors and friends being fired when taxes are raised and bottom lines destroyed, or when piracy lowers profits and forces layoffs. 
 
This stuff doesn't occur in a vacuum.  The loss of income, results in lost jobs for mostly poor and middle income families.  You have to look at the bigger picture and realize that things are not black and white.  This is not a simple problem, with a simple anti or pro business answer.  It affects more than just the business and the consumer.  
 
One thing is for sure, piracy isn't good for the consumer, and it's not good for big business, small business, mid sized business, or any other business. 

People want to feel good about their purchases.

They are pieces of shit! Yeah!

Gamers and too demanding and are harder to be pleased.

" @rubsnick said:

" @ShadowofIntent:  Um... no RROD is 3 year from date of purchase not lifetime....   http://www.gamespot.com/news/6173633.html  Tada you've just been owned. "

..."You've just been owned"?  I really don't want to sound like a jerk here... but are you 12? "

The internet got angry about Spore when it came out because of its DRM and not being as scientific as it hyped it up to be, but it doesn't exactly mean that they'll release another version without DRM and with all the cut features included.   The complaints go completely ignored.