Would you play a kojima-less metal gear?

If it's good then why not?

A game has to be pretty damn offensive for me to say from the get go "I will not play this".

Basically this. Pinning everything on Kojima dismisses the contribution of the teams that have worked on this series for years. Just because Kojima isn't heading it doesn't mean the whole machine grinds to a halt.

Not specifically because he is not doing it. More so I have reservations about handing it off to another team, and especially if it ends up being a in house Konami team. IF the new dev team is up to the AAA quality that Kojima has set, then Im ok with it. Just think that a rather high bar has been set, and the whole fucking world will rain a hail storm of shit down on them for screwing things up if it goes that way.

Definitely, if the game itself looks good. I see no reason why somebody else couldn't pick up Kojima's torch and make a hell of a good Metal Gear pachinko machine.

At this point that's a more interesting prospect than a Kojima Gear.

Bet you the next Metal Gear game is either a Clash of Clans style base sim or some kind of gambling machine. Even if there was another main line one I'd kind of prefer that story to just be over at this point. That said a Rising style spin-off would be cool but I doubt it'll happen anytime soon.

Yes, but only if it's also Konami-less, they can keep their insane micro-transaction con scheme to themselves

You mean that one you don't have to deal with in any way?

@jthom252: well that turnout would certainly would be devastating. but im def. down for a MGRR sequel, but as far as big boss/snake goes, that storyline left along with kojima. They are just too much one in the same for anyone to do anything else with that specific storyline and please me, thats how high that bar has been set by kojima. i couldnt see anyone doing anything better/different with it.

Maybe, as long as it doesn't have a Konami logo on the box.

I would if it's a good game. I would not if it's a bad game.

What does Kojima have to do with it?

@officer_falcon: while ill agree that mgs is the sum of an entire team, and not just kojima, you have to figure he's taking alot of people on that team over to his new studio. so you have something similar to the case of halo/destiny, where another new team (primarily new) would be picking up where it was left off but 1. isnt the MG storyline wrapped up already? and 2. Metal Gear's story is one which relies heavly on the story so it would be MUCH harder to give it the same "flare" kojima did. Id say if they chose to make another one, gameplay would have to be the main hook.

Does Revengeance count? If so, sure.

@mathj said:

That hasn't stopped anyone before. Look at Snake's Revenge, Acid 1/2, Revengence...

Voted no, but then remembered Revengence. If it was something like Platinum and Revengence, then maybe. Though I'm kinda treating the series as "done" now that Kojima is gone.

Kinda done with MGS after 5. Just didn't like how it played versus previous versoins (I guess this is how FF fans feel...)

probably, i'm actually excited to see how much the direction changes without him.

I'd really like another game in that engine. It played really well. I'd prefer a spin off or a Gaiden vs. another numbered sequel.

I've never really played a Metal Gear game, but even I know that a Kojima less Metal Gear wouldn't be anywhere near the same, or it would be an emulation of his style at best.

That doesn't mean that it would be bad, however, just different.

I would be interested to see it for sure and I wouldn't have a bias against the fact. If it was good it was good.

V was so good in large part because it's gameplay. Wouldn't complain at all to see a rather direct sequel.

Revengeance is the best Metal Gear, so sure.

Yeah totally. I actually really want that, just to see what it looks like without his involvement.

Not to diminish his achievements but aside from the story and direction parts, I don't know which parts of the actual gameplay come from Kojima and which comes from the other talented individuals who work on those games.

There are people who could make amazing Metal Gear games without Kojima, but none of them design pachinko machines so it'll never happen.

If Konami continues with Metal Gear, it would either be with another MGSV style game or random spin offs like Revengance. Or maybe another remake of MGS1.

If the game is good, sure. If the game is not good, no. They sound like a pretty not great company and the fallout with Kojima and Silent Hills is weird, unfortunate, upsetting, and so on. But I'm not going to feel super duper loyal to him to the point where I won't play any future Metal Gear games because of what Konami is doing.

The only reservation I would probably have would be if they create another cut scene, narrative heavy game, just because who knows how well, interesting, or crazy those stories will turn out.

No, but not because of kojima. I wouldnt play it because fuck Konami.

I liked 5, and I'm okay with Revengance being on one-off thing.

I'm good.

The way they're supporting MGSV, they're pushing that as the platform. It'll be interesting to see if that game's longevity can carry the online component. The new challenges add to the feedback loop but the online missions are right in your face, along with the FOB stuff.

They're desperate. Those that remain at Konami's game development studio want to stay in work and the company wants to stay in green. It's life support unless they decide to push mobile development. Jack it in and a whole heap are out of work and, in Japan, where are you going to go?

I think people give Kojima WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too much credit for being a "genius". Now that the "style" of Metal Gear is set, I think you could actually wind up finding people who make a BETTER Metal Gear, not unlike how taken Jeff was by Platnium's Metal Gear Rising.

Sure but if I'd enjoy it is another question

Sure, if it gets a good reception. I'm not going to play an awful game (at least, not at full price) - but I'm not skipping out on a good one either.

I have the utmost respect for Kojima and I love that Metal Gear brings so much joy to so many people.

That being said, I haven't personally enjoyed a Metal Gear game since MGS1, which I still consider to be one of the best and most influential games of all time, 'long side the the original, NES, non-solid, Metal Gear.

Both of those things being said, I don't believe Konami has any teams that could actually make a Metal Gear game that I would like.

All that being said... maybe?

Neither Revengeance or Ghost Babel involved Kojima and they were fantastic.

"There's a tendency among the press to attribute the creation of a game to a single person," says Warren Spector, creator of Thief and Deus Ex.

Absolutely, as long as the quality was the same. It's not like Kojima was locked in a room for five years coding every single part of the game and drawing all of the art himself. He had a huge team and even if some of those people leave with him, I'm sure it won't be everyone. That said, given the direction Konami seems to be going, I think licensing out the IP to another studio is more likely than them paying to develop another MGS internally.

Where is the 'they will never makes another real game' choice? I honestly do not thinking we will see another actual games come out in that series. Oh, they might allow/pay some 3rd-rate company to make a cellphone game for them - but that is it.

I would bet $2, that we never see another "full size" home console game ever. (Full size being a story-based 3D game that would take more than 4 hours to finish.)

Really? After all the money they poured on V?

Only if it's Pachinko and pornographic. Also, charges me $50 per life. Anything else and NO DEAL!

@monkeyking1969 said:

I agree. They'll support MGS V and that's your lot. Not counting the Pro Evolution Soccer series which is a different scenario entirely.

@mathj said:

Yeah, the degree to which the studio behind MGS has dissolved/left Konami and went along with Kojima to his new operation is kind of a big factor in me having little faith in a new MGS game.

I mean, MGSV was the result of that dev team clearly having their budget/target release date pulled out from under them halfway through and told to just ship what they got, lack of original missions and cutscenes be damned. That game has flaws, so I'm not looking forward to the next game, that will probably have even less budget and even less of the people who made prior MGS games.

If it reviewed well, sure. If they put out a game that played as well as MGSV but had a more Clancy-esque story? I'd play the hell out of that

I'd definitely give it a go. I might not buy the second Kojima-less Metal Gear though.

Curious that you say MGS is influential. What elements of it do you feel are influential? I feel like it's not really very influential at all, except for the fact that some people REALLY love Metal Gear Solid. We got a few lame knockoff games like WinBack, or whatever, but most of them were just me-too attempts that copied nothing from Metal Gear but the idea of a modern super-spy (much of which MGS took from the popular-at-the-same-time Mission Impossible film)

I will be very,very,very curious to see what happens to Kojima in a fresh franchise without the brand name backing. He'll be starting fresh, which is both a good thing and potentially a bad thing. He will be starting fresh with a whole generation of consumers as well.

If it was interesting sure. But then, the only Metal Gear I've enjoyed playing was 5, so who knows if any other would interest me.

We should have been playing kojima-less metal gears for a long time now. I wish kojima moved onto a new thing after MGS4.

big chance it won't be good. But i'm not going to lock myself from a game because of moral issues. If a game turns out to be good, i would want to play it.

Only if the cutscenes are all only one shots.

@bananasfoster: You're telling me you've never played a game that felt like a movie? I love Metal Gear Solid but it started one of the worst trends in gaming.

Of course I would play a Metal Gear game that wasnt directed by Kojima, i've already played 2. (Portable Ops and Revengeance)