Think about it.
How did people turn away vampires before Jesus died?
Depends on if they are "allergic" to crucifixes themselves or the symbolism of crucifixes associated with Christianity. I mean crucifixes existed before Jesus apparently strolled about.
Jesus was the first vampire, if they had only staked him through the heart instead of his limbs they would have saved us all a lot of trouble with all these vampires we have running around now.
If I remember correctly, there's a passage in Dracula where Van Helsing explains the efficacy of the Eucharist in warding off vampires, and the way he phrased it seemed to imply that what was required was an object of faith. Interpreting that to mean all faiths might be a bit of a stretch in PC-ing a 100 year old story, but the story is more about morality/sexuality than any explicit triumphalism in regards to Christianity.
I was reading the wikipedia page for the book I Am Legend yesterday, and that said that vampires are scared by the symbol of their religion, so a christian vampire would be afraid of the cross but a jewish one wouldn't. Don't know what would happen to an atheist vampire.
@Kidavenger said:
Jesus was the first vampire, if they had only staked him through the heart instead of his limbs they would have saved us all a lot of trouble with all these vampires we have running around now.
No, Jesus was the first zombie. He turned other people into vampires though by making them drink his blood.
It's not the cross it's the faith... so anything you have complete faith in can repel a vampire.
If a Jewish person tried to repel a Vampire with a cross it would not work... as evidenced by Kitty Pryde's battle with Dracula...
Judas was the first vampire. He hanged himself because he betrayed Jesus, but was cursed by god instead of straight up dying. So he became something between death and life.
So I guess vampires didn´t exist before that. That story is in a bunch of vampire fiction, as far as I remember.. including that stupid ass Wes Craven film.
@The_Ruiner said:
It's not the cross it's the faith... so anything you have complete faith in can repel a vampire
What if you have faith in vampires or Satan?
@Superfriend said:
Judas was the first vampire. He hanged himself because he betrayed Jesus, but was cursed by god instead of straight up dying. So he became something between death and life.
So I guess vampires didn´t exist before that. That story is in a bunch of vampire fiction, as far as I remember.. including that stupid ass Wes Craven film.
Dracula 2000
I kind of like the concept.
@believer258 said:
This is the part where I sigh deeply and put my face in my palm.
Sense of humor away weee goooo!
According to most vampire lore, vampires came into existence after Jesus was born (about the time of Dracula). Others say that vampires react in the same way to all symbols who are called sacred/holy/good (sort of like a metaphor for atheists). Then of course there are those lores where Vampires dont react to the cross at all (i.e Anne Rice and true blood (to my recollection)).
Sunlight, Garlic, Silver, Stakes, who knows what else.
The cross is just symbolic of god or whatever you want to call your higher faith, the opposite of evil, the devil, whatever the vampire is meant to represent so whatever represented that before the cross came along. Thought I suppose the cross made the whole vampire hunting/warding off a whole lot easier, I mean form a cross with your fingers or two pieces of wood or whatever must be a lot simpler than whatever other icon you had to mimic under pressure of undead bite that came beforehand.
@BisonHero said:
Think about it.
They ate way more garlic. Garlic is the thing that saved humans before vampires decided to be afraid of religious symbolism.
Also, wood. Vampires are homophobes so when male vampires saw dude with a boner they ran away in fear which is where that whole male dominance/sexism thing comes from.
And next week I'll explain why gravity has no smell. Tune in to find out!
First of all, HAHA.
Second and more seriously, I guess, it depends on what kind of vampire you're dealing with. There are vampires or vampire-like creatures from various cultures and not all of them are turned away by a cross. I used to be into all types of fables, old ghost stories, all that stuff when I was a kid, and I remember reading stories that gave all sorts of ways to turn back vampires. Crosses, rosaries, and holy water work, but so does garlic, wild roses and hawthorn branches. My favorite, when I was a kid, was mustard seeds. You would sprinkle them on your roof or before a door or entryway and a vampire was compelled to stop and count the seeds before moving on. Obviously, if you put down enough of them, the vampire would be kept counting until daybreak when they would be caught and destroyed. so yeah, in some cultures, Dracula was an obsessive compulsive and could be beaten by math.
Of course, that's just scratching the surface. Many vampire-like creatures in Asia, for example, aren't repelled by Jude-Christian imagery at all. Then again, I suppose you could say that they aren't the classical definition of "vampire" and don't apply. I tend to view them all as being part of the same folklore heritage, no matter if they are hopping Chinese corpses that drain Qi or your Twilight-style glittery blood drinker.
@zudthespud said:
I was reading the wikipedia page for the book I Am Legend yesterday, and that said that vampires are scared by the symbol of their religion, so a christian vampire would be afraid of the cross but a jewish one wouldn't. Don't know what would happen to an atheist vampire.
I am pretty sure this happened in buffy too
@Animasta said:
@zudthespud said:
I was reading the wikipedia page for the book I Am Legend yesterday, and that said that vampires are scared by the symbol of their religion, so a christian vampire would be afraid of the cross but a jewish one wouldn't. Don't know what would happen to an atheist vampire.
I am pretty sure this happened in buffy too
No, that isn't the case in Buffy. Even the Turok-Han (which were thousands of years old and basically pre homo sapien humans turned into vampires) were affected by both crosses and holy water, and they were from a time before any sort of religion.
EDIT: Actually, according the internet, they weren't affected by crosses (which I swore I remember them being affected by), but they were affected by Holy water (which I clearly remember), so my statement still stands.
+1@BisonHero said:
Think about it.They ate way more garlic. Garlic is the thing that saved humans before vampires decided to be afraid of religious symbolism.
Also, wood. Vampires are homophobes so when male vampires saw dude with a boner they ran away in fear which is where that whole male dominance/sexism thing comes from.
And next week I'll explain why gravity has no smell. Tune in to find out!
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