The no fly zone has just been passed by the UN. The EU and the US will probably be starting this military operation in days, if not hours.
Ladies and Gentlemen...we're goin to Lybia.
Airstrip Malta and Cyprus on standby no doubt.
To be fair this is probably a fairly good idea. Intervention isn't always bad. Lets just hope we learnt the lessons of what went wrong in Kosovo the last time we did something like this (thankfully on the whole that worked out to be not a complete disaster but still had problematic issues, hopefully it being a UN measure might aid that...or not).
Highly doubt this will be a dragged out war since it's already an open conflict between a tyrant and his people.
Foreign involvement is very much necessary now.
I assume you mean "we're" as in the United Nations including several Arab countries, France, Germany the UK and US in a vote that passed 10-0 with five countries abstaining.
And I assume you mean "going to Libya" as in the sense that we'll be assisting in a way that does not involve sending in any ground forces whatsoever.
It's the right thing to do, glad they passed it.
and there goes Libya's freedom.. just another arab country with america's dick up its ass
enjoy ruling and exploiting it, get all the resources and oil you can
Edit: this isnt hate ! i clarified in on the second page
" and there goes Libya's freedom.. just another arab country with america's dick up its ass enjoying ruling and exploiting it, get all the resources and oil you can "You realize it's a United Nations measure to protect civilians from being mindlessly killed by a tyrant in the midst of a power struggle, right? And that America isn't even involved in the first set of operations, since France and Britain will begin any bombing with support from other Arab nations?
This is what the UN is for.
" I assume you mean "we're" as in the United Nations including several Arab countries, France, Germany the UK and US in a vote that passed 10-0 with five countries abstaining.And I assume you mean "going to Libya" as in the sense that we'll be assisting in a way that does not involve sending in any ground forces whatsoever. It's the right thing to do, glad they passed it. "Uhh I did include the EU in my post didn't I? And last I checked most of the Arab countries said they supported it but also said they would not actively participate in it.
"and there goes Libya's freedom.. just another arab country with america's dick up its ass enjoying ruling and exploiting it, get all the resources and oil you can "
This is the UN not just America, fucking moron.
" This will be a full blown war, because Gaddafi is easily beating the protesters at the moment. He does not need the air space. And what will happen if he wins even with an intact no fly zone? "Yeah, unfortunately this resolution comes a bit too late for the no fly zone to be of much use.
" @Ahmad_Metallic said:that all sounds very sweet and just, but i dont mind betting a few hundred dollars that in a year or two, Libya's gonna vicariously become another americanized arab state living in the illusion of freedom while its getting fucked and dominated and exploited by the US" and there goes Libya's freedom.. just another arab country with america's dick up its ass enjoying ruling and exploiting it, get all the resources and oil you can "You realize it's a United Nations measure to protect civilians from being mindlessly killed by a tyrant in the midst of a power struggle, right? And that America isn't even involved in the first set of operations, since France and Britain will begin any bombing with support from other Arab nations? This is what the UN is for. "
there's always a fair and just cause that gets you to invade these arab countries, and when the shitstorm quiets down and all is under control, the US just decide to stick around.. this is gonna happen again and we all know it. hey, i hope im wrong !
" @benjaebe said:No one's invading, the UNITED NATIONS is instituting a no-fly zone WITHOUT SENDING IN GROUND TROOPS to help protect civilians from being caught in the crossfire in a measure that was approved by the United Nations 10-0 with countries like China and Russia abstaining instead of using any veto power. But, you know, if you'd rather let all the civilians die in the crossfire from a leader who's been in power since the 70s and has already said he's willing to die rather than turn over power of the country, then by all means continue." @Ahmad_Metallic said:that all sounds very sweet and just, but i dont mind betting a few hundred dollars that in a year or two, Libya's gonna vicariously become another americanized arab state living in the illusion of freedom while its getting fucked and dominated and exploited by the US there's always a fair and just cause that gets you to invade these arab countries, and when the shitstorm quiets down and all is under control, the US just decide to stick around.. this is gonna happen again and we all know it. hey, i hope im wrong ! "" and there goes Libya's freedom.. just another arab country with america's dick up its ass enjoying ruling and exploiting it, get all the resources and oil you can "You realize it's a United Nations measure to protect civilians from being mindlessly killed by a tyrant in the midst of a power struggle, right? And that America isn't even involved in the first set of operations, since France and Britain will begin any bombing with support from other Arab nations? This is what the UN is for. "
" @benjaebe said:What I think you're failing to realize is that America is so damn sick of being stuck in countries impossible to govern by anyone due to sectarian bullshit and corruption that you'd be hard pressed to find ten people in the whole country wiling to put boots on the ground in the middle east again any time this generation." @Ahmad_Metallic said:that all sounds very sweet and just, but i dont mind betting a few hundred dollars that in a year or two, Libya's gonna vicariously become another americanized arab state living in the illusion of freedom while its getting fucked and dominated and exploited by the US there's always a fair and just cause that gets you to invade these arab countries, and when the shitstorm quiets down and all is under control, the US just decide to stick around.. this is gonna happen again and we all know it. hey, i hope im wrong ! "" and there goes Libya's freedom.. just another arab country with america's dick up its ass enjoying ruling and exploiting it, get all the resources and oil you can "You realize it's a United Nations measure to protect civilians from being mindlessly killed by a tyrant in the midst of a power struggle, right? And that America isn't even involved in the first set of operations, since France and Britain will begin any bombing with support from other Arab nations? This is what the UN is for. "
Theres very little political will to put boots on ground, so this'll be very similar to the Bosnia campaign (though probably considerably shorter), with hints of NATO's Kosovo intervention . An air campaign against anti-air defences, then dominate the air - which will happen in hours with the combined forces. If necessary I'd imagine they will 'assist' the opposition by taking out some of Gadaffi's armor and so on, but outside of a UN force it won't escalate to a 'proper' boots on ground war.
Theres very little desire to do that, and to be frank, the US and UK would provide the vast amount of any potential ground force and the US won't want that for PR and cost reasons, and the UK won't for the same reasons as well as not having the sheer man power to do it. It'll be a UN peace keeping force at most unless things get so seriously out of hand theres a popular desire for all out war. Which is very, very unlikely.
He isn't 'easily' beating the 'protestors'. He has air, sea and armour and is fighting a bunch of guys driving around in 4x4s and he's still making it look like hard work. The no-fly zone may become a 'take out as much as possible from the air' zone, but the rebels ought to be able to take care of it from there. The US/UK forces would walk through Gaddafi's forces in about a week if it came to putting boots on the ground, but it shouldn't come to that." This will be a full blown war, because Gaddafi is easily beating the protesters at the moment. He does not need the air space. And what will happen if he wins even with an intact no fly zone? "
The US have an epic justice boner for Megrahi though, so perhaps he'll be spirited away in the night if they know where he is.
@melcene said:
" I think @Ahmad_Metallic: is just trying to live up to my call of the America-hate that was going to be forthcoming in this thread. Thanks for not letting a gal down. "actually i love America.. you gave me metal music, South Park, all the tv shows and movies i love, and alot of american video games i adore.. if it wasnt for the US i wouldnt have all the things i enjoy practicing and/or experiencing..
im really indifferent about most issues, so this isnt hatred, but merely an observation.
woah woah woah woah
hold the fuckin phone right there
The UN actually did something?
@Skytylz said:
" I hope the U.S. doesn't send anybody over there, they hate us and if they wanna kill each other let them. I'd rather watch it burn than help them. "
For the sake of my sanity i'm gonna assume your trolling.
" @benjaebe said:oh yes the current state most arabian countries are in right now is so much preferable to that hypothetical" @Ahmad_Metallic said:that all sounds very sweet and just, but i dont mind betting a few hundred dollars that in a year or two, Libya's gonna vicariously become another americanized arab state living in the illusion of freedom while its getting fucked and dominated and exploited by the US" and there goes Libya's freedom.. just another arab country with america's dick up its ass enjoying ruling and exploiting it, get all the resources and oil you can "You realize it's a United Nations measure to protect civilians from being mindlessly killed by a tyrant in the midst of a power struggle, right? And that America isn't even involved in the first set of operations, since France and Britain will begin any bombing with support from other Arab nations? This is what the UN is for. "
/sarcasm(because some of you idjits will find a way to take the above statement seriously.)
I don't understand why everyone suddenly wants to interfere in a revolution against a legitimate government - isn't that meant to be a sacrosanct, internal matter?
Don't get me wrong, I'd like nothing better than for that tyrant to be wiped off the face of the earth, but the UN and it's member nations have had no problem with his being a murderous dictator until now. Would we be interfering if the rebels were slaughtering Gaddafi supporters instead?
The whole thing leaves a sour taste.
" I hope the U.S. doesn't send anybody over there, they hate us and if they wanna kill each other let them. I'd rather watch it burn than help them. "Do you have any background information about the situation at all? Because that was by far without a doubt the most ignorant comment I have seen on this entire thread.
Does not compute." I don't understand why everyone suddenly wants to interfere in a revolution against a legitimate government - isn't that meant to be a sacrosanct, internal matter? Don't get me wrong, I'd like nothing better than for that tyrant to be wiped off the face of the earth, but the UN and it's member nations have had no problem with his being a murderous dictator until now. Would we be interfering if the rebels were slaughtering Gaddafi supporters instead? The whole thing leaves a sour taste. "
I don't see anything wrong with the UN enforcing the human rights its set up since its conception. I don't get your point:
Because the UN has been a worthless piece of shit organization in past examples of human right-related atrocities, it means they should never try to actual live up to their purpose?
Yes, there is obviously a 100% selfish reason for the west interfering with Lybia, but if it stops a crazy bastard from committing atrocities, who cares?
@Skytylz said:
You're dumb." @mutha3: Nope, we could easily overthrow the government but then it would be just like Iraq. Sorry, but we'll waste a bunch of money, just like Iraq, to free a people that will likely hate us when Gahdafi is gone. I guess it's alright if it happens while the party one supports is making the call. "
" Well the UN actually does something for once and its probably too late anyway. "Exactly what I was thinking.
" @Skytylz: You should stop before you make yourself look worse. "Thanks for the motivation to keep going.
I just love however how everyone has already forgot about Iraq. I don't see it as any different than Iraq, but I guess in a few years we will all be pissed about this. The revolt is pretty much quelled, so by the time we get there it will be all under the control of Gaddafi and it will be a similar war to the last one we fought and are still fighting.
The US invaded Iraq. The UN did nothing.
" @Wrighteous86 said:You are bringing Afghanistan into this now?" @Skytylz: You should stop before you make yourself look worse. "Thanks for the motivation to keep going. I just love however how everyone has already forgot about Iraq. I don't see it as any different than Iraq, but I guess in a few years we will all be pissed about this. The revolt is pretty much quelled, so by the time we get there it will be all under the control of Gaddafi and it will be a similar war to the last one we fought and are still fighting. "
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