Students + Piracy = Ok?

" @commandercup said:

"  The obvious argument I can see is that students have little to no income and thus can't afford to pay for everything.  "

So things like pizza, weed, alcohol, and just about all other expenses that the average student would have to pay for, they can steal as well right? Its called budgeting, if you can't pay for it or wait until its on sale, then don't play it. Homeless people can't pay for food and yet they go to jail if they steal food to survive. Students are in a much better position.  "

no, i don't think piracy is ok with anyone. it's like saying it's ok for a black person to steal things and not get in trouble for it. if somebody wants to get something they should save up money and pay for it. 
 
is it ok for me to steal a car? i want a new car.

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Student + piracy = criminal

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You know what?  I really want to play Metroid Other M but I don't have the funds to purchase it!  So, after reading through some of the responses in this thread, I guess it is OK for me to download it!
 
Thanks, guys!

No, if you don't have enough money to buy movies, music and video games you're a sucker.  Deal with it.  
 
You don't want someone jacking your art so don't do it.  I would fucking rage if  I made a video game and people stole it.

" You know what?  I really want to play Metroid Other M but I don't have the funds to purchase it!  So, after reading through some of the responses in this thread, I guess it is OK for me to download it!  Thanks, guys! "

" Piracy is never OK.  Now you know, and knowing is half the battle. "

I feel quite justified in downloading movies from unsavory sources. Actors make insanely exorbitant salaries. The industry argument that it takes hundreds of people to make a film is absolutely true. Once all of these hundreds of people, from audio mixers to set dressers to grips, are compensated as well as the actors and producers involved in the productions, I might reconsider my stance. Music is already in the wild, from pandora, last.fm and the like so the idea of piracy in that medium is rather moot.  The real issue with piracy is resell. Once an individual makes a profit reselling work he had no involvement in, it is wrong 100%.  
 
*edit - Did I say I download movies? Hehe.. I was just kidding FBI internet scanbot.

" @OllyOxenFree said:

" You know what?  I really want to play Metroid Other M but I don't have the funds to purchase it!  So, after reading through some of the responses in this thread, I guess it is OK for me to download it!  Thanks, guys! "

Am I supposed to feel bad or something?  I consider corrupting people an achievement personally. "

" @OllyOxenFree said:

" Piracy is never OK.  Now you know, and knowing is half the battle. "

What sparked your GI.Joe flame? "

I think there are a lot worse things you can do than pirate something, so go right ahead, i don't really care...

This thread: People who pirate almost everything on their computer claim that piracy is bad.

My parents are losers who barely make enough money to feed me (though I did get a second-hand computer from my aunt) so my entertainment budget is quite literally $0. I'm also at an age where it's illegal for me to work/no one will hire me except at family businesses, but hey, like I said before, my parents are poor and so obviously they don't have a family business.
 
So what do I do? Do I pirate stuff? If I do, is anyone at all hurt? The company's not out any money if I 'steal', as it's completely impossible for me to pay for their goods. Emphasis on 'completely impossible'.
Answer: Wait until I'm old enough to get a job, right? But wait a minute, why is almost everyone else around me allowed to play video games that cost more than a dollar? Because their parents didn't make shitty life choices? Woo, discrimination against the poor~

ill give you a choice do piracy or ill kill your monkey now chose 

" My parents are losers who barely make enough money to feed me (though I did get a second-hand computer from my aunt) so my entertainment budget is quite literally $0. I'm also at an age where it's illegal for me to work/no one will hire me except at family businesses, but hey, like I said before, my parents are poor and so obviously they don't have a family business.  So what do I do? Do I pirate stuff? If I do, is anyone at all hurt? The company's not out any money if I 'steal', as it's completely impossible for me to pay for their goods. Emphasis on 'completely impossible'. Answer: Wait until I'm old enough to get a job, right? But wait a minute, why is almost everyone else around me allowed to play video games that cost more than a dollar? Because their parents didn't make shitty life choices? Woo, discrimination against the poor~ "

It's always ok.

" So, is it acceptable for students to pirate software, music, tv shows, movies etc.? The obvious argument I can see is that students have little to no income and thus can't afford to pay for everything. "

" I purchase all my games... But I acquire software packages I need for uni (such as Photoshop, 3DSMax and Zbrush, etc) through other avenues.  Even student licenses for those packages stack up to an amount I cannot afford, but I'm not profiting off my use of them monetarily, so I see it as excuseable. "

i dont pirate games, but ill be damned if i ever pay for music or films!

Isn't this how it works?  Movies and games are a no-no, but music and TV shows are okay.  Porn, no matter what form it comes in, is also a free-be.

No exceptions.

" No exceptions. "

download whatever the hell you want,  films...games...music, just make sure you pay for it in the future. I know I cant afford all that stuff now but i WILL pay for it when I have the money

No? That's exactly the same as saying "I'm a student, I don't have a good income/an income at all, therefore it is right for me to steal anything freely, that includes pirating and stealing from shops.". Does that sound right?

" No? That's exactly the same as saying "I'm a student, I don't have a good income/an income at all, therefore it is right for me to steal anything freely, that includes pirating and stealing from shops.". Does that sound right? "

" @c1337us said:

" No exceptions. "

What about older games? "

Oh a thread on piracy. I trust this is going well.

piracy isn't ok in any circumstances. but you should note that in many cases it is acceptable to acquire industry standard software free of charge so long as you do not publish any of your work. or alternatively buy a license before publication of necessary work. also need to be careful to note that anything you create within a university on the software that they have paid for technically belongs to them and can't be published without their permission. other items such as music, films and games: that's somebody else's work and they deserve to be paid for what they have created. sure many companies take the piss with how much they charge and the profit margins but in the long run a little bit still reaches the "small people" behind the work (not pixies, but that would be cool).

" @StaticFalconar said:

" @commandercup said:

"  The obvious argument I can see is that students have little to no income and thus can't afford to pay for everything.  "

So things like pizza, weed, alcohol, and just about all other expenses that the average student would have to pay for, they can steal as well right? Its called budgeting, if you can't pay for it or wait until its on sale, then don't play it. Homeless people can't pay for food and yet they go to jail if they steal food to survive. Students are in a much better position.  "

Right, how many times do people have to say this.  PIZZA, FOOD, DRINK are PHYSICAL items. When you download you are essentially making a COPY of what has already been put on the net. You are not stealing the physical box causing a retailer to have to replace it.  Downloading is not the same as stealing physical goods, anybody who says otherwise is fucking retarded.  Whether it's right or not however is still up for debate, it's fucking tiring hearing people say "oh downloading is ok but does that mean you can go to a store and steal food?"  Edit: Actually no I take that last part back, it IS wrong but it's nowhere near as bad as actually stealing physical goods from a store/family/whereever.  Being the person uploading all the shit for others to download is 10x worse.  I've never robbed anything from a store before in my life nor do I ever intend to start but I'm not gonna lose sleep over the fact I downloaded an old Behemoth album 2 days ago. "

I really don't see why so many people are getting so bent out of shape if other people want to pirate stuff, what are you, game developers?

In regards to the software, many colleges have classes to teach you the software.  Hell, some colleges (like mine) have a deal with Microsoft and Adobe so that you can get their software for free. "

" @LordXavierBritish:  Um, no.  If you're so financially unstable that you cannot save $60 to buy a game, then you shouldn't be playing games.  You need to be looking at your budget and finding out what you can stop paying for, and if there isn't anything, you need to find a job that can sustain you better, financially.    In regards to the software, many colleges have classes to teach you the software.  Hell, some colleges (like mine) have a deal with Microsoft and Adobe so that you can get their software for free. "

Piracy != Stealing, in many cases.  Many people who pirate a boxed retail game, for example, would probably not even buy it in the first place.

" Piracy != Stealing, in many cases.  Many people who pirate a boxed retail game, for example, would probably not even buy it in the first place. "

Don't steal, kids. You wouldn't like it done to you.

" @FluxWaveZ said:

" Piracy != Stealing, in many cases.  Many people who pirate a boxed retail game, for example, would probably not even buy it in the first place. "

this statement is the oldest and most basic used to justify piracy and it is as misleading now as it was then. Most people who pirate do not limit their piracy to only things they would never buy.  Further, having the piracy option available changes how you think about buying games.  It makes it harder to actually bring yourself to spend money because you are allways thinking about how much you could save by just stealing it.  This invalidates the argument. If piracy's existence makes a person more picky about buying games and then they pirate a game they would have bought if piracy hadn't messed up their standards, then clearly piracy has lead to lost sales "

No.

Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate! 
 
Seriously though, aren't the vast majority of pirates already students? 
 
Anyhow, I think it's okay as long as you put on an eye-patch, and one of those big hats pirate captains wear. Also, you must have a talking parrot on your shoulder.

" I feel quite justified in downloading movies from unsavory sources. Actors make insanely exorbitant salaries. The industry argument that it takes hundreds of people to make a film is absolutely true. Once all of these hundreds of people, from audio mixers to set dressers to grips, are compensated as well as the actors and producers involved in the productions, I might reconsider my stance. Music is already in the wild, from pandora, last.fm and the like so the idea of piracy in that medium is rather moot.  The real issue with piracy is resell. Once an individual makes a profit reselling work he had no involvement in, it is wrong 100%.   *edit - Did I say I download movies? Hehe.. I was just kidding FBI internet scanbot. "

Here's a question: If you buy imported goods from a store, say like the soundtrack of a video game, for a low price that doesn't seem to make sense for an important item, and later find out it was a pirated version from Malaysia or wherever, are you a pirate? Should you take it to the authorities and report the company?  
 
Moral dilemma!! Dun dun dunnnnn.

Of course not.

Piracy is awesome. Everything takes forever to get released in Norway, be it TV series, games or movies. I'll pirate the hell out of that shit if it means I can enjoy it the same time as the rest of the world, and not 6 months later. Not that I buy any of it when it eventually gets released. Except 360 games, but those come out at the same time as rest of Europe anyway and I never bothered to chip it or whatever the kids do nowadays to make it able to play pirated games.

" @Matfei90:  There's a good point: what if the software is priced ridiculously? I get all my Microsoft software free from school, but things like Photoshop are just not possible realistically.   To everyone asking "who cares", I'm just curious. I don't pirate much if at all and never games (but damn you Adobe!). "

Most of Adobe's stuff is free anyway.  Maybe you need something I don't have or use.

As for the original question:

@commandercup said:

" So, is it acceptable for students to pirate software, music, tv shows, movies etc.? The obvious argument I can see is that students have little to no income and thus can't afford to pay for everything. The general argument for piracy (some things just aren't worth the price) might also apply, but the big ringer is the fact that piracy is stealing period (right?). "

" @Supermarius: Your own moral code isn't fact.