" Four poofs and a podcast. "I love Jonathan Ross too...
Theoretical Gay Podcast Name
*Queer person's obligatory post in queer-centric thread*
Rainbow Road's a good one. In any case, the logo should be a pink Triforce pointing down.
I don't have a title, but more power to ya. I can't believe so many people took this thread as a sounding board for how sexuality isn't in games (it is). I guess I'll do the same.
For people saying that sexuality doesn't effect gaming, I guess the people making games don't realize it, because most if not all have romantic storylines that are heteronormative as well as characters that fit into that segment. That doesn't only mean that your dude will be straight and the hero, but it also means that gay people will be portrayed like Thomas in Deadly Premonition was. This is also the case for minorities in gaming, although that has come much further than homosexuality. Even a game like Super Mario Galaxy 2 is about Mario saving the princess. Sexuality is an important part of a person's life, so it will be an important part of most stories. Now it may not interest you to think about that aspect of games, but that doesn't mean it isn't a part of how games are being written now.
On the other hand, theres no implication that the people on this podcast will have anything to say that interests you, but that is the case for all podcasts. All people have a unique voice, and they have a right to approach their discussion whichever way they please. They have decided to let their sexuality be in the open, that it may lead to interesting discussion. It doesn't mean that every discussion has to link to it, but it does change perspectives. Like the people in this thread who decided to defend/attack the merits of this cast existing. That is a charged audience if I've ever seen one.
" @Everyones_A_Critic: That's a little tacky, don't you think? "Compared to 4 Controllers, 1 Port?
it could be a different version of the Fight Against Grenade Spam, the horrible COD6:MW2 video
or
Sword Fight Cast (if it is a mostly "guy" crew)
" I think I'm going to be sick. Seriously, this topic is just wrong. "But it's okay for you to post religious nonsense everywhere?
" @CaptainFish: I genuinely appreciate the time and thought that went into your post, as opposed to the kneejerk reaction that has happened a lot in this thread. Of all of Giantbomb, youdabomb. "You serious OP? Seems to me like you're just grateful 1 other person isn't criticizing the idea. Some people here have presented well-thought out arguments, yet you only say "thanks for the time and thought that went into your post" to the guy who backed you.
I'm not one to demand credit or anything but really OP? In what way was my argument a kneejerk reaction?
I had no intention of coming here and defending what I may or not may not be doing. He clearly was not the only supporter in the thread, but he at least took the time to think something other than "SEXUALITY AND GAMES ARE A AND B AND DO NOT OVERLAP EVER GOODBYE".
The fact of the matter is, I don't have to defend anything I do to you. I'm a big boy, and I can do what I like, especially since it's an extraordinary voluntary sort of thing. If you don't like it, if you think it's exclusionary, if you think it's a bad idea, if you think it's bullshit, congratulations! Feel however way you like, I cannot begin to express how irrelevant it is.
Considering I've had a Mod PM me and tell me I could speak to them directly if someone around here decided to be a dink, the thread is pretty justified. I'm sorry you disagree, and it's a shame we'll have one less listener because they're more than willing to close themselves off from differing opinions and ideas, but, you know, them's the breaks.
" I think I'm going to be sick. Seriously, this topic is just wrong. "Please take your bigotry somewhere else.
" WE FUK MEN IN TEH BUTTS!!!!!!! Or the alternative... WE LIKE PENISES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "That is totally uncalled for. Way to be mature.
" @AlwaysAngry said:Oh hush, I'm not the only one." WE FUK MEN IN TEH BUTTS!!!!!!! Or the alternative... WE LIKE PENISES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "That is totally uncalled for. Way to be mature. "
"Game Pride" is excellent, probably better than "Friends of Daisy", "Jet Force Gaymini", or the potentially offensive "The Heavenly / Fabulous Asstronauts", "Wand Wakers", "Pipe Maniacs", "Gaydius IV" or "Super Bummermen".
Don't know if you're into Polari but that might give you some pointers but it's more a British thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polari
Some of these responses really irk me. I like the idea. How bouts:
The Podcast from Pen 15
QueerCodes
Rainbow Arcade
RedRing
Idk, most puns are kinda silly. I'd go with something like "Gay/Queer Gaming Podcast" or "Games for Gays" or something descriptive and lame. If you're set on a pun, I actually love "Gaymers"
" @Zunum: You sir, are a piece of shit. "I've thought that on more than one occasion...
It's sad that the responses just tend to be sexual innuendo.
Gay people aren't making podcasts/gay gaming sites to separate themselves from the community. It's actually quite the opposite, to let people know we are a community amongst gamers. This type of medium needs to exist for the simple fact that people can go there and feel comfortable amongst other people like them and play games with people who aren't going to give them issue on their sexuality. Unfortunately sexuality matters to people and some responses to this thread should be reason enough why things like a gay podcast or gay gaming sites are made.
A lot. Why do people keep on asking this question? It can have great relevance depending on what approach they want to take discussions. Just visit Gaygamer.net to see that it's very possible to talk about games with this perspective. It's the same thing as a black person with in interest in equality in games for example. It's not for everyone but it's a relevant subject." What has sexual orientation got to do with your opinion on games? "
I also like Game Pride. It connects to "gay" but not in a stupid or negative way.
"I have nothing to add. Good summation of the reality at hand.I don't have a title, but more power to ya. I can't believe so many people took this thread as a sounding board for how sexuality isn't in games (it is). I guess I'll do the same.
For people saying that sexuality doesn't effect gaming, I guess the people making games don't realize it, because most if not all have romantic storylines that are heteronormative as well as characters that fit into that segment. That doesn't only mean that your dude will be straight and the hero, but it also means that gay people will be portrayed like Thomas in Deadly Premonition was. This is also the case for minorities in gaming, although that has come much further than homosexuality. Even a game like Super Mario Galaxy 2 is about Mario saving the princess. Sexuality is an important part of a person's life, so it will be an important part of most stories. Now it may not interest you to think about that aspect of games, but that doesn't mean it isn't a part of how games are being written now.
On the other hand, theres no implication that the people on this podcast will have anything to say that interests you, but that is the case for all podcasts. All people have a unique voice, and they have a right to approach their discussion whichever way they please. They have decided to let their sexuality be in the open, that it may lead to interesting discussion. It doesn't mean that every discussion has to link to it, but it does change perspectives. Like the people in this thread who decided to defend/attack the merits of this cast existing. That is a charged audience if I've ever seen one.
"
Don't know if you guys have any issues with reviving two-week-old threads or anything (obviously I'm not a regular poster), but I found this thread because the podcast I co-host (Cartridge Blowers) was mentioned at some point, and I felt like putting in my two cents.
The hooplah over this question is exactly *why* more minority viewpoints need to be heard. While I've seen some legitimately good and thoughtful responses, most of the names given here were either cringeworthy jokes or kneejerk WHY WOULD WE NEED THAT SULLYING OUR COMMUNITY nonsense--apparently it seems that, at 27, I'm a good 15 years older than many of the posters here.
Podcasting, as I see it, is opinion and personality. Makes sense--unless you're doing hard-and-fast facts, your podcast is by definition going to be you and a friend or two talking games, condemning decisions that Sony makes that YOU disagree with, expressing excitement over games that YOU want to play, and giving YOUR own spin to news items. Being told, "Why would you want to shove your sexuality in our faces on a podcast" is saying, essentially, "There's no place for gay guys in the videogame community." It is saying, "We don't want to hear your voice." It is saying, "I don't want you to exist."
Shame on you.
A few weeks ago I wrote a relatively lengthy blog post about why, exactly, we choose to forefront our sexuality. If you're interested, you can find it at http://cartridgeblowers.com/2010/06/04/why-we-blow/. Essentially, it's an issue of visibility. Gamer culture is so often faceless. It takes place under helmets, behind avatars, beneath screennames. The internet has helped gamer culture explode, and that's a good thing--but one thing many gamers cannot seem to handle is Opinion, is a multiplicity of viewpoints. (I dare you to tell me it's not--look at the controversy over what happens if a game is scored lower than it "deserves".) Rather than using that anonymity constructively, as a means to experiment with identity and opinions and all of that, it's used as a powerful normative force. It is used so that many gamers can become bullies, so that they can socially sanction anyone who acts "wrong". Congratulations: You've become the kids who beat you up in high school.
Michel Foucault wrote extensively about how power is exercised. He talks about the Panopticon, which was a model for a prison. The cells were created in a central ring, with the inner wall open, all facing a central tower. From this tower, it was possible for guards to view any cell, to keep an eye on any possible mischief the prisoners could be getting into. It was unlikely if not impossible to view every single prisoner at once--odds are that most prisoners would go unnoticed for long stretches. However, what was important wasn't the fact of whether or not a certain prisoner was being watched; what was important was the fact that observation was *possible*. In the face of possible observation, a prisoner would behave--better to not risk it.
The lesson of the Panopticon is this: Power does not always come from without--from an external authority figure physically imposing his will--but rather often comes from within--from someone acting in a certain way because he knows those in authority prefer it that way. Read 1984 if you haven't already--though Orwell wrote before Foucault came on the scene, that novel gives one of the most chillingly clear demonstrations of Foucauldian power I've ever read. (It's also excellent and damn terrifying.)
Ask yourselves this: Do you know any gay people? Have you been threatened by any? Attacked by any? Is your fear of gay people based on any actual reason, or is it because you're simply expected to hate them? Do you have any reasons for your opinions, or are you just parroting your parents, your teachers, your community? Are your beliefs and viewpoints so shaky that you can't handle an opposing or different one for fear you might question it?
Because as I see it, we're a vast, vast community. The gamer subculture draws from a wide variety of ages, races, sexualities, regions. I've talked games with people in all different countries, of all different backgrounds. I've talked games with 11-year-old kids who saw me with my DS and asked me what game I'm playing, with college professors interested in helping me connect videogames to philosophical concepts, with my 86-year-old grandmother who, due to a bad hip, has found her senior center's copy of Wii Bowling to be an excellent substitute. These people are no threat to you. These people live in the same world as you do. If you listen to what they have to say, maybe you'll learn something more about your own thoughts. Maybe you'll get some new ideas. Changing your mind isn't scary. But if you can't handle it, well the typical advice fits: Don't listen to it. Many of you probably didn't even know Cartridge Blowers existed before today. It didn't hurt you then; if you don't like gay guys, then hey--the internet is a big place. I doubt we'll run into each other much if you don't seek us out.
As for the original poster, if your idea ever goes beyond theoretical, let me know. After all, I'd be interested in your unique viewpoint.
Can we just declare you victor?
" Why do you feel the need to shove your gayness into peoples faces? "That'd be the title I'd go for.
Or, maybe for a snappier version:
'Shove your gayness into people's faces'
" It's sad that the responses just tend to be sexual innuendo. Gay people aren't making podcasts/gay gaming sites to separate themselves from the community. It's actually quite the opposite, to let people know we are a community amongst gamers. This type of medium needs to exist for the simple fact that people can go there and feel comfortable amongst other people like them and play games with people who aren't going to give them issue on their sexuality. Unfortunately sexuality matters to people and some responses to this thread should be reason enough why things like a gay podcast or gay gaming sites are made. "
Maybe it's just me... but making a gay gaming site or podcast only worsens the whole situation... Why even bring sexuality in to a gaming community... I for example don't feel the need to make everyone aware of my heterosexuality or join an all hetero site :)
Basically don't make a big deal out of your sexuality unless you want others to make a big deal out of your sexuality as well.
Wait, has everyone just ignored the most sensible response on this thread? @rgoodness - I'm sorry that your logical, and sensible argument has just been ignored. As a teacher in a secondary school (high school) I deal with 12-18 year olds, and spend quite a time with young, senseless kids trying to teach them that 'gay' or 'fag' are not acceptable insults. I hear 'that's so gay' at least once a week, and it outrages me that people think this is acceptable.
The concept of the avatar allows everyone to be whatever they want. I find it quite hilarious that 'gayness' has provided more of an issue than, say, playing as a different race, gender, or hell, species.
This thread was not pleasant reading.
I will refrain from immaturity, but I can't help but feel awkward about this thread.
Look, I have no problem with gay people, but you don't have to have a name to show that your group is gay; just pick a standard name (or Team Kill; wow, that was clever).
I hope that your future podcast goes great.
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