There's "RAP SUCKS" but there is no "ROCK SUCKS"

"So much more musicianship can be found in rock. Rock music has left a bigger impact and legacy behind than rap ever will. Rap is straight up garbage. It's just a bunch of sounds recorded on a synthesizer with some burnout named Tyrone mumbling the lyrics in his basement. Then, somehow, this shit sells really well with the younger crowd. No talent whatsoever.

Rock is just a lot better than rap. I mean, I haven't seen "RapBand" yet, have you?
"

Because rock is a general catch all term. Most people wouldn't make that broad of a generalization. One could argue rap is a genre of rock, look what they sample. The only person who I knew who thought rock sucked listened to classical  music all the time.

Rock sucks.... if you only listened to bands formed after the mid nineties.

Music from any genre sucks...Rap and Rock has both contributed alot to pop culture and American society.There is no need to argue which is better.

Those threads suck.  This thread sucks.  All "(fill in the blank here) sucks" threads suck.  Stop with the stupid hate threads already.  They suck.

Holy shit, I can't believe there are actually mods in this thread speaking negatively about rap music, and saying rock is better.
"duh, at least rock is real music.  They play instruments!"  "dur, rap is teh suck.  U no see rap band only ROCK band!"  What fuck, guys?  You are supposed to set an example.

Who fucking cares?  There's nothing wrong with rap or rock, there's just differences of opinion.  And you can find really shitty examples of both.  Stop with these stupid hate threads.

"Those threads suck.  This thread sucks.  All "(fill in the blank here) sucks" threads suck.  Stop with the stupid hate threads already.  They suck."

"So much more musicianship can be found in rock. Rock music has left a bigger impact and legacy behind than rap ever will. Rap is straight up garbage. It's just a bunch of sounds recorded on a synthesizer with some burnout named Tyrone mumbling the lyrics in his basement. Then, somehow, this shit sells really well with the younger crowd. No talent whatsoever.

Rock is just a lot better than rap. I mean, I haven't seen "RapBand" yet, have you?
"

"TheJollyRajah said:

"So much more musicianship can be found in rock. Rock music has left a bigger impact and legacy behind than rap ever will. Rap is straight up garbage. It's just a bunch of sounds recorded on a synthesizer with some burnout named Tyrone mumbling the lyrics in his basement. Then, somehow, this shit sells really well with the younger crowd. No talent whatsoever.

Rock is just a lot better than rap. I mean, I haven't seen "RapBand" yet, have you?
"

Exactly, rock actually takes talent. Any rock artist could rap but i'll like to see a rapper trying to sing like Freddie Mercury or playing the guitar like Slash."

The majority of the people you're complaining about are whiny 13 year olds with too much time on their hands which needs to be filled with badly thought out puns and abbreviations. Shouldn't let what some internet douchebag thinks about your genre influence you. Its the internets. Nuff said.

Eminem+Dr Dre+Snoop Dogg+50 Cent 

"Eminem+Dr Dre+Snoop Dogg+50 Cent 

                            VS

                    Led Zeppelin

The rappers dont even come close.

"

"Gizmo said:

"Eminem+Dr Dre+Snoop Dogg+50 Cent 

                            VS

                    Led Zeppelin

The rappers dont even come close.

"

Eminem is bigger than Zep."

"PharoahCapcom said:

"Gizmo said:

"Eminem+Dr Dre+Snoop Dogg+50 Cent 

                            VS

                    Led Zeppelin

The rappers dont even come close.

"

Eminem is bigger than Zep."

Well no. Eminem has sold 70 million records worldwide. Led Zeppelin has sold more than 300 million worldwide. Led Zeppelin has 7 number 1 US records while eminem has 3. Led Zeppelin sold almost double that of Eminem's worldwide sales in the US alone."

"Jonathan said:

"PharoahCapcom said:

"Gizmo said:

"Eminem+Dr Dre+Snoop Dogg+50 Cent 

                            VS

                    Led Zeppelin

The rappers dont even come close.

"

Eminem is bigger than Zep."

Well no. Eminem has sold 70 million records worldwide. Led Zeppelin has sold more than 300 million worldwide. Led Zeppelin has 7 number 1 US records while eminem has 3. Led Zeppelin sold almost double that of Eminem's worldwide sales in the US alone."

Your talking about record sales i'm talking about commercial appeal and overall wealth."

"How do you measure commercial appeal? By record sales. Eminem has been around since 1995. For 13 years. Led Zeppelin formed, released 9 albums (not including compilations and live albums), and broke up in 12 years."

I don't like rap or metal (some rock is nice, like U2). But I don't care to get into a petty internet argument about it..

"PharoahCapcom said:

"Jonathan said:

"PharoahCapcom said:

"Gizmo said:

"Eminem+Dr Dre+Snoop Dogg+50 Cent 

                            VS

                    Led Zeppelin

The rappers dont even come close.

"

Eminem is bigger than Zep."

Well no. Eminem has sold 70 million records worldwide. Led Zeppelin has sold more than 300 million worldwide. Led Zeppelin has 7 number 1 US records while eminem has 3. Led Zeppelin sold almost double that of Eminem's worldwide sales in the US alone."

Your talking about record sales i'm talking about commercial appeal and overall wealth."

How do you measure commercial appeal? By record sales. Eminem has been around since 1995. For 13 years. Led Zeppelin formed, released 9 albums (not including compilations and live albums), and broke up in 12 years."

well i listen to both types of music rap&rock

"Rock doesn't suck, duh!"

"Jonathan said:

"PharoahCapcom said:

"Jonathan said:

"PharoahCapcom said:

"Gizmo said:

"Eminem+Dr Dre+Snoop Dogg+50 Cent 

                            VS

                    Led Zeppelin

The rappers dont even come close.

"

Eminem is bigger than Zep."

Well no. Eminem has sold 70 million records worldwide. Led Zeppelin has sold more than 300 million worldwide. Led Zeppelin has 7 number 1 US records while eminem has 3. Led Zeppelin sold almost double that of Eminem's worldwide sales in the US alone."

Your talking about record sales i'm talking about commercial appeal and overall wealth."

How do you measure commercial appeal? By record sales. Eminem has been around since 1995. For 13 years. Led Zeppelin formed, released 9 albums (not including compilations and live albums), and broke up in 12 years."

I measure commercial appeal to the amount of public attention someone gets..Right now Miley Cyrus is bigger than Zep.She gets alot of attention,she hasn't sold as much as them yet but she is huge.She's got her own show,she's on the cover of magazines,she's selling out concerts.More people right now know the name Miley Cyrus than the name Led Zepplin.I know Zep because I was exposed to it when I was younger...people born this decade have no idea who Led Zepplin is.Eminem at the peak of his popularity was the topic of many conversations..he has countless MTV specials,a movie based on his life..etc.Zep is probably broke right now..i'm sure those dudes haven't aquired the type of wealth Eminem has...with his own record label,clothling etc."

Let me tell you, Led Zeppelin were the first people to sell out madison square garden, the first band with a private jet, Led Zeppelin IV sold 23 million in the US alone, released a popular motion picture, and had the largest concert ever at that time. They broke dozens of records and Led Zeppelin at their peak were way bigger than Eminem at his peak."

"Suicrat said:

"Is it inconceivable to anyone that both genres have worthy artists?"

This.

Rap is a somewhat unproven medium because all the big artists nowadays talk about the club too much. A rap artist that's good with words COUGH COUGH ZACK DE LA ROCHA OMG TEH COLD IS KILLING MEH can do alot.

And yes, Rage Against The Machine is part rap."

"PharoahCapcom said:

"Jonathan said:

"PharoahCapcom said:

"Jonathan said:

"PharoahCapcom said:

"Gizmo said:

"Eminem+Dr Dre+Snoop Dogg+50 Cent 

                            VS

                    Led Zeppelin

The rappers dont even come close.

"

Eminem is bigger than Zep."

Well no. Eminem has sold 70 million records worldwide. Led Zeppelin has sold more than 300 million worldwide. Led Zeppelin has 7 number 1 US records while eminem has 3. Led Zeppelin sold almost double that of Eminem's worldwide sales in the US alone."

Your talking about record sales i'm talking about commercial appeal and overall wealth."

How do you measure commercial appeal? By record sales. Eminem has been around since 1995. For 13 years. Led Zeppelin formed, released 9 albums (not including compilations and live albums), and broke up in 12 years."

I measure commercial appeal to the amount of public attention someone gets..Right now Miley Cyrus is bigger than Zep.She gets alot of attention,she hasn't sold as much as them yet but she is huge.She's got her own show,she's on the cover of magazines,she's selling out concerts.More people right now know the name Miley Cyrus than the name Led Zepplin.I know Zep because I was exposed to it when I was younger...people born this decade have no idea who Led Zepplin is.Eminem at the peak of his popularity was the topic of many conversations..he has countless MTV specials,a movie based on his life..etc.Zep is probably broke right now..i'm sure those dudes haven't aquired the type of wealth Eminem has...with his own record label,clothling etc."

Let me tell you, Led Zeppelin were the first people to sell out madison square garden, the first band with a private jet, Led Zeppelin IV sold 23 million in the US alone, released a popular motion picture, and had the largest concert ever at that time. They broke dozens of records and Led Zeppelin at their peak were way bigger than Eminem at his peak."

"TheJollyRajah said:

"So much more musicianship can be found in rock. Rock music has left a bigger impact and legacy behind than rap ever will. Rap is straight up garbage. It's just a bunch of sounds recorded on a synthesizer with some burnout named Tyrone mumbling the lyrics in his basement. Then, somehow, this shit sells really well with the younger crowd. No talent whatsoever.

Rock is just a lot better than rap. I mean, I haven't seen "RapBand" yet, have you?
"

Dude you have no idea do you?? Of course Rock as left more history because the hip-culture did't really start until later in the 80's then went gold in 90's with Run DMC, Pac and NWA. To go about how it is garbage is just ridiculous, of course rappers don't do musical parts that are the MC's they are lyricists, the beats come from the DJ's which is part of teh Hip-Hop culture. I bet you just turn MTV on and see that shit and think oh this must be how it is. If that is your logic then Rock is nothing but dudes who look like pre-pubescent girls and the Jonas Brothers.

you sir need to educate yourself on the who Hip-Hop culture before you make fail posts like this one, btw Rockband is for all the posers like yourself probably that can't play an instrument but pretend you do by matching colors on the TV"

"Jonathan said:

Let me tell you, Led Zeppelin were the first people to sell out madison square garden, the first band with a private jet, Led Zeppelin IV sold 23 million in the US alone, released a popular motion picture, and had the largest concert ever at that time. They broke dozens of records and Led Zeppelin at their peak were way bigger than Eminem at his peak."

Another thing, Hannah Montana is just a fad, she sells out concerts today but in 10 years nobody will remember her. It's been more than 40 years since Zeppellin's first album and they still have a huge fanbase that neither Eminem or Miley Cirus will ever be able to beat.
"

Whoever wins, Metal kills the winner!

"Jonathan said:

"PharoahCapcom said:

"Jonathan said:

"PharoahCapcom said:

"Jonathan said:

"PharoahCapcom said:

"Gizmo said:

"Eminem+Dr Dre+Snoop Dogg+50 Cent 

                            VS

                    Led Zeppelin

The rappers dont even come close.

"

Eminem is bigger than Zep."

Well no. Eminem has sold 70 million records worldwide. Led Zeppelin has sold more than 300 million worldwide. Led Zeppelin has 7 number 1 US records while eminem has 3. Led Zeppelin sold almost double that of Eminem's worldwide sales in the US alone."

Your talking about record sales i'm talking about commercial appeal and overall wealth."

How do you measure commercial appeal? By record sales. Eminem has been around since 1995. For 13 years. Led Zeppelin formed, released 9 albums (not including compilations and live albums), and broke up in 12 years."

I measure commercial appeal to the amount of public attention someone gets..Right now Miley Cyrus is bigger than Zep.She gets alot of attention,she hasn't sold as much as them yet but she is huge.She's got her own show,she's on the cover of magazines,she's selling out concerts.More people right now know the name Miley Cyrus than the name Led Zepplin.I know Zep because I was exposed to it when I was younger...people born this decade have no idea who Led Zepplin is.Eminem at the peak of his popularity was the topic of many conversations..he has countless MTV specials,a movie based on his life..etc.Zep is probably broke right now..i'm sure those dudes haven't aquired the type of wealth Eminem has...with his own record label,clothling etc."

Let me tell you, Led Zeppelin were the first people to sell out madison square garden, the first band with a private jet, Led Zeppelin IV sold 23 million in the US alone, released a popular motion picture, and had the largest concert ever at that time. They broke dozens of records and Led Zeppelin at their peak were way bigger than Eminem at his peak."

WHO GIVES A F#CK...how is any of that relevant to 2008?"

"PharoahCapcom said:

"Jonathan said:

Let me tell you, Led Zeppelin were the first people to sell out madison square garden, the first band with a private jet, Led Zeppelin IV sold 23 million in the US alone, released a popular motion picture, and had the largest concert ever at that time. They broke dozens of records and Led Zeppelin at their peak were way bigger than Eminem at his peak."

WHO GIVES A F#CK...how is any of that relevant to 2008?"

Miley Cirus is currently selling more albums than the Beatles. Does that make her more popular? No. Thats my point. The reason more people may know Eminem's name now is becasue he is more recent. Right now on the amazon dvd sales chart Transformers on Blu Ray is ahead of movies like Star Wars. Does it mean it's more popular? No, it's just more recent."

What's your definition of pop culture?  Teens, or the whole population?  Pop = popular, right?  Well Led Zepplin is more popular than Eminem amongst people alive on earth right now.

"What's your definition of pop culture?  Teens, or the whole population?  Pop = popular, right?  Well Led Zepplin is more popular than Eminem amongst people alive on earth right now."

"Vaxadrin said:

"What's your definition of pop culture?  Teens, or the whole population?  Pop = popular, right?  Well Led Zepplin is more popular than Eminem amongst people alive on earth right now."

I don't believe so."

"PharoahCapcom said:

"Vaxadrin said:

"What's your definition of pop culture?  Teens, or the whole population?  Pop = popular, right?  Well Led Zepplin is more popular than Eminem amongst people alive on earth right now."

I don't believe so."

That doesn't mean it isn't true"

"Black_Rose said:

"PharoahCapcom said:

"Vaxadrin said:

"What's your definition of pop culture?  Teens, or the whole population?  Pop = popular, right?  Well Led Zepplin is more popular than Eminem amongst people alive on earth right now."

I don't believe so."

That doesn't mean it isn't true"

That doesn't mean it is either."

"Jonathan said:

Miley Cirus is currently selling more albums than the Beatles. Does that make her more popular? No. Thats my point. The reason more people may know Eminem's name now is becasue he is more recent. Right now on the amazon dvd sales chart Transformers on Blu Ray is ahead of movies like Star Wars. Does it mean it's more popular? No, it's just more recent."

I'm talking about right now..who the hell are the Beatles in 2008? They are name.When I said Eminem is bigger than Zep I meant right now..who is more relevant to pop culture?"

Wow you know your facts Jon

Well right now the Beatles have the number 2 DVD in amazon, LOVE was one of the best selling albums of 2006 and 2007. They have been on the amazon charts since they started selling CDs. And almost all of the best selling amazon albums ever are Beatles albums. Right now Beatles 1 is ahead of any Eminem record. Number 1 by the Beatles which is a compilation album released in 2000 is the fastest selling album of all time and the best selling album of the 2000s.It's also the best selling CD (not album) in the world. The Beatles NOW are more popular than Eminem.

"

"Jonathan said:

Well right now the Beatles have the number 2 DVD in amazon, LOVE was one of the best selling albums of 2006 and 2007. They have been on the amazon charts since they started selling CDs. And almost all of the best selling amazon albums ever are Beatles albums. Right now Beatles 1 is ahead of any Eminem record. Number 1 by the Beatles which is a compilation album released in 2000 is the fastest selling album of all time and the best selling album of the 2000s.It's also the best selling CD (not album) in the world. The Beatles NOW are more popular than Eminem.

"

No."

"No."

This has gone on long enough.Rock is no better than Rap and vice-versa.

"PharoahCapcom said:

"Jonathan said:

Well right now the Beatles have the number 2 DVD in amazon, LOVE was one of the best selling albums of 2006 and 2007. They have been on the amazon charts since they started selling CDs. And almost all of the best selling amazon albums ever are Beatles albums. Right now Beatles 1 is ahead of any Eminem record. Number 1 by the Beatles which is a compilation album released in 2000 is the fastest selling album of all time and the best selling album of the 2000s.It's also the best selling CD (not album) in the world. The Beatles NOW are more popular than Eminem.

"

No."

Well he's got you there Jonathan."

"Jonathan said:

Well right now the Beatles have the number 2 DVD in amazon, LOVE was one of the best selling albums of 2006 and 2007. They have been on the amazon charts since they started selling CDs. And almost all of the best selling amazon albums ever are Beatles albums. Right now Beatles 1 is ahead of any Eminem record. Number 1 by the Beatles which is a compilation album released in 2000 is the fastest selling album of all time and the best selling album of the 2000s.It's also the best selling CD (not album) in the world. The Beatles NOW are more popular than Eminem.

"

No."

All you can say is no? The Beatles are currently selling MANY more albums than Eminem, and I think that makes them more popular. The Marshall Mathers LP (Eminem's best selling album) released in 2000 sold 21 million worldwide. 1 by The Beatles released in 2000 sold 28 million worldwide.

I agree with me and I am above all therefore I win."

"Shawn said:

"Maybe rock would have more than 5 links if it required to musical talent at all, just a suggestion."

At least rock features actual instruments."

I <3 Jonathan

Whoops, sorry about that.  Here's the edited version:

People should stop quoting that long bloc of text. Posts are getting lost in the shuffle.