"Bulldog, how can you knock on Leonardo DiCaprio and think Heath Ledger is something great?Um you're forgetting Body of Lies for Leo, and Leo's best Titanic... Ledger was pretty good in TDK, and the Joker is a pretty tough charecter to play. Ledger was also in Fagback Mountain.Let's look at a little list here:Leo:"
- Basketball Diaries
- The Departed
- The Aviator
- Gangs of New York
- Blood Diamond
Heath:
- The Order
- A Knight's Tale
- 10 Things I Hate About You
- The Patriot
- Casanova
The ONLY strong performance that Heath ever gave was in The Dark Knight, and all ANY actor has to do is fart with the makeup on and he's gonna be good. The Joker isn't a HARD character to play.He even sucked in I'm Not There and Lords of Dogtown!!! The only bad credits that Leo honestly holds to his name are Titanic and The Beach!
Top 5 actors of our time:
Gary Oldman - fucking genius...shame he was in a shitter like Fifth Element thoughFix'D for epicness.
Edward Norton - pretty good....Will Smith - is a hit with the kids due to his nice clean rap. Workout scene in every film.Mark Wahlberg - when the dood is given a good role, he still manages to make it SUCK ...and when he's given a bad role, hit just makes you want to commit suicide. He's got a really bad selection of movies...although italian job is awesome.Zac Efron - It's the start of something new.
"The Joker is a pretty tough charecter to play."No it's not. He's a one dimensional psycho. Typical DC character.
"giyanks22 said:Playing Ledger's version of the Joker is incredibly demanding emotionally...Ledger locked himself in a hotel room for a month to try and get into the character. Playing the Joker probably is what caused him to over dose."The Joker is a pretty tough charecter to play."No it's not. He's a one dimensional psycho. Typical DC character."
"Playing Ledger's version of the Joker is incredibly easy, but he made everyone think it is demanding emotionally...Ledger locked himself in a hotel room for a month to fool the media into thinking it was difficult or something to try and get into the character. Being a drunk pillpopper with no future ahead of him and losing an Oscar that he for some reason thought he fucking deserved probably is what caused him to over dose."Fix'd as well.
"giyanks22 said:You can't say that! He's dead! Give him the respect he deserves. Heath Ledger was the greatest actor alive ever and anyone who says otherwise didn't understand The Dark Knight. The heavy handed metaphors went right over your head."Playing Ledger's version of the Joker is incredibly easy, but he made everyone think it is demanding emotionally...Ledger locked himself in a hotel room for a month to fool the media into thinking it was difficult or something to try and get into the character. Being a drunk pillpopper with no future ahead of him and losing an Oscar that he for some reason thought he fucking deserved probably is what caused him to over dose."Fix'd as well."
Okay, seriously. Heath Ledger was GOOD IN THE DARK KNIGHT. He fit the role well, and he had great timing with all his lines, as well as developing a great physical presence.
"jakob187 said:I wouldn't go that far"giyanks22 said:You can't say that! He's dead! Give him the respect he deserves. Heath Ledger was the greatest actor alive ever and anyone who says otherwise didn't understand The Dark Knight. The heavy handed metaphors went right over your head.""Playing Ledger's version of the Joker is incredibly easy, but he made everyone think it is demanding emotionally...Ledger locked himself in a hotel room for a month to fool the media into thinking it was difficult or something to try and get into the character. Being a drunk pillpopper with no future ahead of him and losing an Oscar that he for some reason thought he fucking deserved probably is what caused him to over dose."Fix'd as well."
Heath Ledger was the greatest actor alive ever and anyone who says otherwise didn't understand The Dark Knight.
lmao. No.
"Well, I'm pretty sure the only actors/actresses of "my" time are Dakota Fanning and Haley Joel Osment, so I'm just gonna say my top 5.I actually agree with you on Kathy Bates. Misery was a great film.1. Anthony Hopkins (Hannibal Lector, for you noobs)2. Edward Norton (I don't know exactly why, but his performance in Fight Club is just awesome)3. Kathy Bates (From Misery)4. John Cleese (You're mother was a hamster and your father smells of elderberries)5.Jodie Foster (She's a great actress, and she's really hot)So yeah, the last one is just kind of a "had to do it because I couldn't think of another one," but Jodie Foster is a real babe."
HandsomeDead said:
Yes. It was well done wasn't it, just like what you are doing ¬_¬.
So you just ignored things I said to make it sound like you had a point? Well done.
I know. My point, originally, all those pages back, was how people could deny Efron's talent when he is obviously a star in the making."
And your point may be that you think he is talented, but he does not have a body of work to put him in the top 100 actors of all time... no matter top 5; and thusshouldn't be discussed here.
And moving on.
I would say HeathArkthemaniac said:
"Okay, seriously. Heath Ledger was GOOD IN THE DARK KNIGHT. He fit the role well, and he had great timing with all his lines, as well as developing a great physical presence."
I agree. He was begining to build up a pool of work that was begining to make him a respectable actor. TDK could have made him as an actor for blockbusters, and he would have been set for the next 10 years as a first name of a film poster and a name you'd respect for the next 5 years on TDK alone.
I think 5 years down the line, a few more brilliant roles under his belt showing his range; he could have easily been on a list of greatest actors of our generation. But he wasn't. He was in one massive blockbuster, a critically acclaimed movie, a few other alright roles, and tedious crap.
Heath Ledger was a fucking failure, and he realized it way too late...just like Kurt Cobain.
"HandsomeDead said:That was my point in the first place. You're going on about something I, and everyone else here, already knows.Yes. It was well done wasn't it, just like what you are doing ¬_¬.
So you just ignored things I said to make it sound like you had a point? Well done.
I know. My point, originally, all those pages back, was how people could deny Efron's talent when he is obviously a star in the making."
And your point may be that you think he is talented, but he does not have a body of work to put him in the top 100 actors of all time... no matter top 5; and thusshouldn't be discussed here."
jakob187 said:
"Heath Ledger was a fucking failure, and he realized it way too late...just like Kurt Cobain.I think I agree with everything said here. You're a good man, jakob. Maybe.Was he good in The Dark Knight? Yes. Did he play it well? Yeah, I thought so. Oscar-worthy? Eh, I'm borderlined on it. Regardless...he was still an absolute shit actor, and the fact that everyone makes him out to be some spectacular thing is just beyond me. Maybe if he had a few more years to convince me, sure...but he sucked ass in Brokeback Mountain.Also, since I just brought that movie up, I wanna say this: yes, we get it - it's a movie about gay cowboys. Regardless of that fact, your narrow-minded attempts at shutting a movie down for that reason are fucking weak and stupid. Priscilla, Queen of the Desert, had Rik Mayall dressed in drag, and it was a fucking amazing movie. Willem Dafoe played a gay guy in Boondock Saints, and people love him for it. Also, it's a script written by Larry McMurtry, who is an amazing author (most notable for writing Lonesome Dove). Therefore, I show anything this man writes a TON of fucking respect. I looked at the movie for what it was: a love story. Unfortunately, it was a shitty love story. Ennis and Jack were two selfish assholes that ended up causing more trouble than they were worth as human beings. Ang Lee did a good job of building tension between the two, but Jake and Heath had to rely on the director to build it and couldn't even emote it themselves. It's a travesty of a film.So if the only reason you can bash the film is because it happens to be a love story about gay males, then fuckin' die...because your narrow-minded bullshit is worthless at this point in time."
"Clint Eastwood (Mostly due to awesome)"Although he may play the same damn character every time he acts...he's fucking amazing at that character, and there's always a subtle difference to each of them.
And you lose all the win because you like Nicholson.
Nicholas Cage haters need to watch The Rock and The Weather Man. Seriously, I hated him too until I saw those films and now i'm almost a fan. Also, Clint Eastwood's new film, Gran Torino, looks amazing. It's riduclous how he can be so old and still such a genuine badass.
"BoG said:Cuckoos Nest, The Shining... You can't tell me Ncholson isn't a good actor."Clint Eastwood (Mostly due to awesome)"Although he may play the same damn character every time he acts...he's fucking amazing at that character, and there's always a subtle difference to each of them.BoG, you are full of win for that one.You get double win for hating Nic Cage as much as me.
And you lose all the win because you like Nicholson.Sowwy."
"Cuckoos Nest, The Shining... You can't tell me Ncholson isn't a good actor.Cage's ONLY good roles were Raising Arizona and Matchstick Men, and that's only because the movies were already good and the directors are amazing (Coen Brothers and Ridley Scott, respectively). Other than that...I'll put it this way...I bought The Wicker Man remake...used...just to watch his ass burn over and over and over...in freeze frame...As for Cage, Weather Man was good, but I can never forgive the man for Ghost Rider."
Other than that, look at his other films: The Bucket List, As Good As It Gets, Something's Gotta Give, Anger Management, The Pledge, About Schmidt, Wolf...I mean, the guy is a fucking stinker. Back in the day, when he was doing stuff like Eugene in Reds or Chinatown, he was pretty decent, but still nothing amazing.
Jakob, In all honesty, I am appalled that you think The Shining is a bad film. That perfect performance in The Shining is enough to warrant him as one of the all time greats. Seriously, how the hell did you come to that conclusion!
"Jakob, In all honesty, I am appalled that you think The Shining is a bad film. That perfect performance in The Shining is enough to warrant him as one of the all time greats. Seriously, how the hell did you come to that conclusion!"Simple answer: I've read the book. If you've read the book, then you more than likely find it appalling how Kubrick and Nicholson fucked up something as amazing as that book. Everyone that I've met that read the book thought the movie was utter bullshit, a tragedy to try and sit through it, and worth about as much as the toilet paper I wipe my ass with. Steven Weber's performance of Jack > Jack Nicholson's performance of Jack. Meanwhile, everyone I've ever met that liked the movie....has never read the book.
And one performance does not mean someone should be considered an "all-time great". Otherwise, Anthony Hopkins would be worth something.
"Jakob, In all honesty, I am appalled that you think The Shining is a bad film. That perfect performance in The Shining is enough to warrant him as one of the all time greats. Seriously, how the hell did you come to that conclusion!The idea of what a "horror" movie is has been stained so much over the years. The Shining is a terror movie at best, but mainly a suspense/thriller.EDIT: The Shining is a horror film.Proof: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/a134119/exorcist-tops-best-horror-film-poll.html?imdb It clearly mentions The Shing came close second in top horror films of all time."
"BoG said:China Town, bruh."Clint Eastwood (Mostly due to awesome)"Although he may play the same damn character every time he acts...he's fucking amazing at that character, and there's always a subtle difference to each of them.BoG, you are full of win for that one.You get double win for hating Nic Cage as much as me.
And you lose all the win because you like Nicholson.Sowwy."
Besides, every actor in existence gets shitted on because of the Last motha fucking Samurai that is Tom Cruise.
"Emilio said:Dude, Tom Cruise is the fucking bomb! Last Samurai, War of the Worlds, Top Gun, the Outsiders... Tom Cruise is the greatest actor of the last 100 years."Besides, every actor in existence gets shitted on because of the Last motha fucking Samurai that is Tom Cruise."-_-"
And while I'm at it, Ben Affleck is also one of the greatest actors of all time. Phantoms, anybody?????
Tom Cruise sucks, however his performance in The Last Samurai and Born the 4th of July was fantastic
I JUST LIKE IT CUZ TOM CRUISE ACTUALLY TOOK THE TIME TO GET WAY INTO GUNS AND IS ACTUALLY REALLY GEWD AT IT SO GO HIM
"Tom Cruise = shit. Period. End of discussion. Next actor, plox."Eh...Sean Connery?
I like him :P
"Black_Rose said:D:"jakob187 said:I'd do him.""Tom Cruise = shit. Period. End of discussion. Next actor, plox."Eh...Sean Connery?
I like him :P"
"I'd do him too, maybe we can do him at the same time."NO U lol
I really like Tom Cruise. I don't see where all the hate comes from besides the whole scientology thing.
I liked Finding Forrester too and the movie that got him the oscar (don't remember the name right now)
"I really like Tom Cruise. I don't see where all the hate comes from besides the whole scientology thing."Because most of the movies he has ever been in suck balls?
"HandsomeDead said:I enjoyed all of those movies as well as Rain Man and Collateral before the piss poor film ruining ending. Top Gun, especially, that was just a badass bit of fun."I really like Tom Cruise. I don't see where all the hate comes from besides the whole scientology thing."Because most of the movies he has ever been in suck balls?Top Gun, Risky Business, Cocktail, War of the Worlds, Mission Impossible 2...ugh...horrific films that are no good for anything but ignorant people. I liked Last Samurai, but it DEFINITELY WAS NOT because of him. It was actually because I dig Edward Zwick's movies."
"I enjoyed all of those movies as well as Rain Man and Collateral before the piss poor film ruining ending. Top Gun, especially, that was just a badass bit of fun."From the dood with a Pete Wentz avatar...
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