Would you believe in God if there was scientific evidence?

I ask this question a lot, and people never have a good answer: Since when did religion have anything to do with GOD? It's always been about governing the masses, sometimes in good ways, sometimes in bad. Love your neighbor, kill the a-rab. That's religion. God was added in as extra incentive.

You're thinking of deism, which is people that firmly believe in god without knowing why.

"Vaxadrin said:

"I don't appreciate how many people in this thread are taking Spaghetti Monster's name in vain."

Oh sweet Christ, people on Giant Bomb are actually mentioning that douchebag's "Spaghetti Monster" crap?

That's it. GIANT BOMB HAS OFFICIALLY GONE TO HELL."

My parents took me to Sunday School every weekend all summer as a child at the Spaghetti Warehouse down by the waterfront.  I am eternally grateful for the enlightenment I received as a result.

"My parents took me to Sunday School every weekend all summer as a child at the Spaghetti Warehouse down by the waterfront.  I am eternally grateful for the enlightenment I received as a result."

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I wouldn't call this evidence, reasoning at best. The Bible is a big book and is open to interpretation. Scientifically though, we do not know the source of energy, what was the first move. All God could have done was set up the laws of Physics, If he were the perfect theistic God then thats all he would need to do. The rest follows suit. We shouldn't be searching for a spirit in the sky, we should be looking to discovr the origin of energy.

"You never cease to amuse me."

"Kush said:

"Technically Yes. If there was proof then no could deny his existence. But religion would then be pointless because faith is the key to religion. The belief in something blindly...If you have proof, then you can't exactly have faith. That's why I think those who are agnostic are just wasting their time."

You're thinking of deism, which is people that firmly believe in god without knowing why.
Agnostics believe there may or may not be a god of any nature."

"My parents took me to Sunday School every weekend all summer as a child at the Spaghetti Warehouse down by the waterfront.  I am eternally grateful for the enlightenment I received as a result."

"I wouldn't call this evidence, reasoning at best. The Bible is a big book and is open to interpretation. Scientifically though, we do not know the source of energy, what was the first move. All God could have done was set up the laws of Physics, If he were the perfect theistic God then thats all he would need to do. The rest follows suit. We shouldn't be searching for a spirit in the sky, we should be looking to discovr the origin of energy."

"Arkthemaniac said:

"Vaxadrin said:

"I don't appreciate how many people in this thread are taking Spaghetti Monster's name in vain."

Oh sweet Christ, people on Giant Bomb are actually mentioning that douchebag's "Spaghetti Monster" crap?

That's it. GIANT BOMB HAS OFFICIALLY GONE TO HELL."

HURR making fun of relishun is bad!
In any case, I'm more of a Celestial Teacup kind of guy, myself."

That evidence is bullshit.

http://onwhoseauthority.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/flying-spaghetti-monster.jpg

:O

The miracles of faith.

"atejas said:

"Arkthemaniac said:

"Vaxadrin said:

"I don't appreciate how many people in this thread are taking Spaghetti Monster's name in vain."

Oh sweet Christ, people on Giant Bomb are actually mentioning that douchebag's "Spaghetti Monster" crap?

That's it. GIANT BOMB HAS OFFICIALLY GONE TO HELL."

HURR making fun of relishun is bad!
In any case, I'm more of a Celestial Teacup kind of guy, myself."

Making fun of religion isn't bad, it's pointless. And the Spaghetti Monster is retarded and firmly cements Dawkins into the hall of assholes, along with John Wilkes Booth and that rat that caused the plague. He forgot the point of religion, but hey, so did the church and the believers."

"Oh, fuck, my bad.
I thought you were a bible-thumper.
Forgive me plz?
Honestly, though, I dont mind religion as much as creeds."

The nuns would actually literally "lash us with a wet noodle".  They soon realized the expression was not to be taken literally, as the way it flops down harmlessly and sticks to the skin made it a very ineffective form of punishment.

"atejas said:

"Oh, fuck, my bad.
I thought you were a bible-thumper.
Forgive me plz?
Honestly, though, I dont mind religion as much as creeds."

No, I don't thump bibles. I just agree with some of the messages conveyed by them. Like "love thy neighbor" and "Don't kill people." That's what sets me apart from the Church."

Then there was the one time Father O'Malley called me into his office to show me what he referred to as a "delicious noodle with cream sauce".  It was a lot saltier than the Alfredo I was used to.

The fact that I'm able to wake up morning after morning is enough evidence for me to know that God is real!  Plus the sky, the ground, etc etc etc....

"Arkthemaniac said:

"atejas said:

"Oh, fuck, my bad.
I thought you were a bible-thumper.
Forgive me plz?
Honestly, though, I dont mind religion as much as creeds."

No, I don't thump bibles. I just agree with some of the messages conveyed by them. Like "love thy neighbor" and "Don't kill people." That's what sets me apart from the Church."

Well, in all fairness, the Bible has so much murder, infanticide, and rape in it that it probably is best they put in "Hey, whoa now! Don't actually do this part!" to ensure lowly peasants didn't go out on weekends to re-enact their favorite passages."

"The fact that I'm able to wake up morning after morning is enough evidence for me to know that God is real!  Plus the sky, the ground, etc etc etc...."

"Mourne said:

"Arkthemaniac said:

"atejas said:

"Oh, fuck, my bad.
I thought you were a bible-thumper.
Forgive me plz?
Honestly, though, I dont mind religion as much as creeds."

No, I don't thump bibles. I just agree with some of the messages conveyed by them. Like "love thy neighbor" and "Don't kill people." That's what sets me apart from the Church."

Well, in all fairness, the Bible has so much murder, infanticide, and rape in it that it probably is best they put in "Hey, whoa now! Don't actually do this part!" to ensure lowly peasants didn't go out on weekends to re-enact their favorite passages."

That's why I said "some"."

When I was 16 my parents sent me to Chef Boyardee camp.  I was a little put off at first by the way they would dunk each other in vats of Spaghetti-O's to cleanse each other of their sins, but once I really got into the groove with chanting in Latin I was totally feeling it.  I'm reminded of it every time we do shots of Ragu at church for communion.

"The fact that I'm able to wake up morning after morning is enough evidence for me to know that God is real!  Plus the sky, the ground, etc etc etc...."

"Arkthemaniac said:

"Mourne said:

"Arkthemaniac said:

"atejas said:

"Oh, fuck, my bad.
I thought you were a bible-thumper.
Forgive me plz?
Honestly, though, I dont mind religion as much as creeds."

No, I don't thump bibles. I just agree with some of the messages conveyed by them. Like "love thy neighbor" and "Don't kill people." That's what sets me apart from the Church."

Well, in all fairness, the Bible has so much murder, infanticide, and rape in it that it probably is best they put in "Hey, whoa now! Don't actually do this part!" to ensure lowly peasants didn't go out on weekends to re-enact their favorite passages."

That's why I said "some"."

Why not be of any number of other religions, then? Was it because you were born into a tradition, aka, Christianity?

There are plenty of religions with much better moral principles than Christianity, but they're all just as illogical."

God is only an article of faith, but that is essential to religion. A god whose existence can be proven would destroy religion. A god open to human logic and scientific study have to be definable, delimited, amenable to human concepts and obedient to scientific law, thus incapable of miracles. Such a god would be merely one object among others within the natural world like a galaxy, cosmic ray, or a star lightyears away, not a transcendent and mystical power running the universe and demanding the worship of man.

I've never seen 1 million dollar's but I believe in that.

You don't always have to see something to think it's real.

"God is only an article of faith, but that is essential to religion. A god whose existence can be proven would destroy religion. A god open to human logic and scientific study have to be definable, delimited, amenable to human concepts and obedient to scientific law, thus incapable of miracles. Such a god would be merely one object among others within the natural world like a galaxy, cosmic ray, or a star lightyears away, not a transcendent and mystical power running the universe and demanding the worship of man."

However, in high school I had a crush on a girl and asked her to the dance.  On the drive there she told me that she was actually a mormon.  I told her she was going to have to convert for my sake or I would have to break it off with her immediately.  She told me she didn't want to date someone who told her how to live her life, so I drove the car into a tree, killing us both.

"Relax. I don't think he is a christian, just someone who feels it's not all bad.
I'm inclined to agree."

"I've never seen 1 million dollar's but I believe in that.

You don't always have to see something to think it's real."

"However, in high school I had a crush on a girl and asked her to the dance.  On the drive there she told me that she was actually a mormon.  I told her she was going to have to convert for my sake or I would have to break it off with her immediately.  She told me she didn't want to date someone who told her how to live her life, so I drove the car into a tree, killing us both."

"I've never seen 1 million dollar's but I believe in that.

You don't always have to see something to think it's real."

"Why not be of any number of other religions, then? Was it because you were born into a tradition, aka, Christianity?

There are plenty of religions with much better moral principles than Christianity, but they're all just as illogical."

If there was significant evidence, sure, but there isn't and probably never will be. And I still wouldn't worship a god even if I believed in it. I think any god demanding our worship is evil.

"Mourne said:

"Why not be of any number of other religions, then? Was it because you were born into a tradition, aka, Christianity?

There are plenty of religions with much better moral principles than Christianity, but they're all just as illogical."

Because I follow my own spiritual guidance, not spiritual guidance from some dude 2 millenia ago, or three milennia ago, or 1600 years ago. Christianity has provided good to the world, like the Sistine Chapel. In fact, without religion, art would be much less interesting. I think Christianity was completely lost once the phrase, "Jesus is my homeboy," was first printed on a T-shirt by some bitch who didn't know how to show her appreciation to a man that supposedly died to protect humanity from harm, other than saying that he can chill at her house ON A T-SHIRT."

"Because I follow my own spiritual guidance, not spiritual guidance from some dude 2 millenia ago, or three milennia ago, or 1600 years ago. Christianity has provided good to the world, like the Sistine Chapel. In fact, without religion, art would be much less interesting. I think Christianity was completely lost once the phrase, "Jesus is my homeboy," was first printed on a T-shirt by some bitch who didn't know how to show her appreciation to a man that supposedly died to protect humanity from harm, other than saying that he can chill at her house ON A T-SHIRT."

When I reached the enriched flour gates, I was greeted at the door by the Invisible Pink Unicorn.  I couldn't see him, but he told me that it was not yet my time, and I would be sent back to earth to spread the good word to you all.  The girl would be dealt with summarily. (she is currently spending an eternity in a boiling marinara vat)

I hope you're saving those, Vaxadrin.

The internet eternally preserves all the useless tripe we've ever spouted.  Haven't you played MGS2?

"When I reached the enriched flour gates, I was greeted at the door by the Invisible Pink Unicorn.  I couldn't see him, but he told me that it was not yet my time, and I would be sent back to earth to spread the good word to you all.  The girl would be dealt with summarily. (she is currently spending an eternity in a boiling marinara vat)"

That's not funny, atejas.  Illogical nonsense is completely inappropriate in a thread about scientifically proving the intangible.

"It kind of sounds like you don't really need religion whatsoever, honestly. I, too, follow my own moral code, and it has nothing to do with Christianity. To say that art has only become relevant due to Christianity is a bit pretentious, though. Art had been around, in some form, since the dawn of man. Given how the arts evolved so steadily, it isn't like we would not have seen a penultimate art piece at some point--whether it is of comparable worth is some other matter."

"That's not funny, atejas.  Illogical nonsense is completely inappropriate in a thread about scientifically proving the intangible."

I Believe!

"The Reniassance, though, was partly caused due to religion. That's why I feel art wouldn't be the same without it."

"I Believe!"

"ItalyCanadian9 said:

"I Believe!"

Hooray!  Fellow believer, shall we meet at Caruso's Italian restaurant and discuss how faith has exponentially improved our lives over a delicious angel hair & marinara sauce with mussels dish?"