I consider myself a real nintendo fan.  But since the release of the gamecube, nintendo has been re-releasing his games and they kinda killed most of their franchises... well they did not kill them, they just made really bad games with them.

Zelda franchise

I enjoyed the puzzles of the nes zelda, but my favorite is still OOT.  I really enjoyed the gameboy and gameboy advance zeldas (DX, oracle of ages, oracle of season, minish cap, etc.)

Problem is... the new games are just not really that fun compared to what it used to b.

Windwaker had way too much water travelling. (and i usually clear the zelda games 100% but didnt even bother for that one)

phantom hourglass bugged me a lot because i stopped playing for about 2 months and when i got back into game i had no clue how to clear the dungeon because i had a bunch of arrows written on map and i did not remember anything about it.

Zelda Twilight Princess was fun... but they should've diversify it a little more.  I played it a lot, cleared i 100%... but i still believe that OOT was way better.

Mario franchise...
Umm...i rly start to hate how nintendo puts mario everywhere... mario tennis, mario basketball, baseball... New super mario bros was fun while mario galaxy was just weird... i never rly thought about mario going in space... and it just bothered me for the whole game.

Now... they release a New New super mario bros on wii with 4 players on-screen coop... i hope they do it good.  (Btw... ps3 is releasing a 256 ppl online game so uhh... having a 4 player mario game isnt that much of a big deal...)

Anyone else thinks that nintendo is doing really bad?

I consider myself a real nintendo fan.  But since the release of the gamecube, nintendo has been re-releasing his games and they kinda killed most of their franchises... well they did not kill them, they just made really bad games with them.

Zelda franchise

I enjoyed the puzzles of the nes zelda, but my favorite is still OOT.  I really enjoyed the gameboy and gameboy advance zeldas (DX, oracle of ages, oracle of season, minish cap, etc.)

Problem is... the new games are just not really that fun compared to what it used to b.

Windwaker had way too much water travelling. (and i usually clear the zelda games 100% but didnt even bother for that one)

phantom hourglass bugged me a lot because i stopped playing for about 2 months and when i got back into game i had no clue how to clear the dungeon because i had a bunch of arrows written on map and i did not remember anything about it.

Zelda Twilight Princess was fun... but they should've diversify it a little more.  I played it a lot, cleared i 100%... but i still believe that OOT was way better.

Mario franchise...
Umm...i rly start to hate how nintendo puts mario everywhere... mario tennis, mario basketball, baseball... New super mario bros was fun while mario galaxy was just weird... i never rly thought about mario going in space... and it just bothered me for the whole game.

Now... they release a New New super mario bros on wii with 4 players on-screen coop... i hope they do it good.  (Btw... ps3 is releasing a 256 ppl online game so uhh... having a 4 player mario game isnt that much of a big deal...)

Anyone else thinks that nintendo is doing really bad?

Without forgetting that the gamecube controller is pretty bad compared to other controllers... And as bad as it is... it's still the best way to play super smash brawl on wii.... Failure...

Yes, but Super Mario Galaxy was absolutely brilliant and Smash Bros. Brawl, while not the sea change that Melee was, is the best Smash Bros. game imaginable.  So therefore you're wrong.

Also, your favorite Zelda is Ocarina, which means that you need better taste.  Majora's Mask for life, motherfuckers.

The wii is a pretty bad system for hardcore gamers IMO. It lost me a long time ago and I have not touched it since the release of brawl. I agree that Nintendo needs to shake things up a bit.

@iAmJohn said:

"Yes, but Super Mario Galaxy was absolutely brilliant and Smash Bros. Brawl, while not the sea change that Melee was, is the best Smash Bros. game imaginable.  So therefore you're wrong.Also, your favorite Zelda is Ocarina, which means that you need better taste."

firstly stop being so judgemental and saying that hes wrong and dude alot of people would argue ocarina as the best zelda game

" @iAmJohn: How is super mario galaxy brilliant?  The plumber mario is sent to space... 'Nuff said.And i don't get why you say i have bad taste sayin zelda oot is one of my favorite all-time game. "

"dude alot of people would argue ocarina as the best zelda game"

" @matlem said:

Because the level design was incredibly creative and tried a bunch of new tricks with the Mario franchise while at the same time recalling awesome parts of 64, Sunshine and even the 2D Marios?  If all you can say about Galaxy is "the plumber is sent to space," then it's obvious that you didn't play past Good Egg Galaxy.And I'm saying you have bad taste because Majora's Mask is a better game, silly. :P "

Purely my opinion, but they've been downhill since late SNES days.

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Every so often there's some game that comes along like Mario Kart Wii that brings back the greatness I once felt from them, but it's very rare these days.

" Purely my opinion, but they've been downhill since late SNES days"

" like Mario Kart Wii that brings back the greatness I once felt from them, but it's very rare these days. "

"I actually beat the game completely and did  not bother replaying it with luigi. I just don't think that the idea of getting mario into space is the best thing they chose to do... "

It's not going down hill, it's just changed direction a little, and it appears it's not to your liking.

They went down with GC but WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY up with WIi if you are talking about money.

Did you really enjoy the fact that you had to move from planets to planets in a game where normally you go from castle to castle? I just felt like they did not know what to change in the game so they randomely said "hey let's make mario in space" and really put that idea to work...  It was a good game... but it could've been much better.

I absolutely loved the sailing in Windwaker.  And Super Mario Galaxy's planetoid style levels were innovative and enthralling.

Yeah, franchises change.  But many times its for the better.

Honestly I think they've been going downhill since the SNES. Despite that I think that the N64 and GCN were both great consoles with some really memorable games. The Wii isn't so hot though.

Yeah. Gamecube wasn't too hot. Yet something inside is telling me that  the console they're gonna be making (not next gen, maybe after) is gonna support all kinds of PS3/360 tech fanboyism  stuff and support Rated M games. Just me though, haha.

I thought Twilight Princess was better than Ocarina of Time. It felt like a superior game even though it was structured much like Ocarina of Time, but the gameplay on the Wii made it much tighter and the story and length of the campaign was much better. I still prefer the GameCube controller over any analog controller I've ever owned, but that's just me.

Majora's Mask is my favorite Zelda game by the way and the PS2 has been my favorite console so far.

My only wish is that Nintendo would release more games... other than that... they're rockin' it hard.

Personally, I think the Gamecube is very underrated. I thought it did a great job with many of its sequels, which is the opposite of what I have to say about the Wii. Sure, Wind Waker can't match Ocarina of Time, but can anyone reasonably expect it to? Ocarina of Time is considered by many to be the greatest game ever made. The odds of ever matching that are slim to none. Despite that, I think Wind Waker proved to be a fantastic game. What I love so much about the Gamecube is it didn't just rehash sequels... it reinvented franchises. They often tried taking them in exciting, fresh new directions, and I fully support that. Look at what Nintendo did with their 3 biggest franchises. Wind Waker went cel-shaded, and while everyone was initially shocked and appalled, it ended up being one of the most expressive and interesting Zelda games yet. To this day some people refuse to play it because of the graphics, and that's their loss and they're retarded for acting so immature about it. Wind Waker is fantastic and the art style arguably suits the series better than the more realistic graphics we've seen.

Then there's Super Mario Sunshine. Talk about a game that has developed a bad reputation. It was a game critic's darling upon release, only later to be hounded and completely shunned once Super Mario Galaxy game out. Sunshine was a bold move. It took Mario away from his ordinary setting and put him on a fun, work-filled vacation. I think in Sunshine, Mario's platforming gameplay is at its finest. Mario controls like a dream. I'm not saying the game isn't without it's faults. Believe me, it has some issues, but I found it to be a very welcome change of pace for Mario. Personally, I think it's far better than Super Mario Galaxy.

Of course, then there's Metroid Prime. Taking the Metroid series into 3D. Everyone doubted that it could be done well, and look at what it turned out to be. Undeniably one of the best games of last-gen.

Now with the Wii, I think the quality of Nintendo's games have gone downhill dramatically. I think I know why too. What it all seems to come down to is that Wii games don't have to be good. It's such a phenomenon with non-gamers that they'll buy pretty much anything. Many of them don't have much gaming experience to know the quality of truly great games. Lots of truly terrible games sell great on the Wii. As a result, Nintendo doesn't need to worry so much about it and can slack off. They don't have to try to innovate their games because regardless they'll sell. As far as Nintendo's games go on the Wii, it's all stuff we've seen before, just with added motion controls which personally I would argue don't do anything to really improve the games. The Gamecube, on the other hand, was struggling, and Nintendo had to put in a great amount of effort to get people to buy their consoles. As a result, they really had to give us something new and exciting to look forward to. Frankly, I think they succeeded in doing so with many of the Gamecube's best games. It's funny to me that the Wii is supposed to be so innovative, and yet we see little to none of that innovation in most of their franchises. I'm not saying there aren't innovative games on the Wii, but they sure aren't coming from Nintendo.

I have felt abandoned by Nintendo half way through the Gamecube's life cycle, and since then, I hardly support them.
However, they will still be the company that gave me my best memories...
and Windwalker is awesome.

Well, you don't need the Nintendo name or Nintendo IP characters attached to play unique and polished games on the console. The Wii is looking better right now than the SNES did in it's third year, and better than the N64 and GameCube ever were.

Okay, most of the original poster's points were bullshit. Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask are essentially the same games as Link to the Past and Link's Adventure (Zelda II) respectively, except in 3D. Same basic gameplay, same structure, almost identical plots. Also, the N64 had the first Mario Tennis and Golf games, and unlike the N64 games, the GC sequels to them were actually fun to play. Also, Metroid was brought back during the GC era in a a huge way, both Metroid Prime 1 and 2 are excellent games.

Also, Mario had went in to space in at least two prior adventures, so this notion that Galaxy somehow doesn't fit is absolutely fucking insane.

And who says the amount of people playing makes a game good? Would you want a 256 player Mario game? Are you god-damn retarded?
New Super Mario Bros. for the DS early on had screenshots of Mario and Luigi going through levels together, it made everyone think that the game would have live co-op. It wasn't until a few months before release that co-op would not be a part of that game. Now they're bringing back the gameplay that after 23 years, is still enjoyable, and now allowing people to play together with 3 friends. They're not breaking the quantitative benchmarks you seem to want (seemingly without any regard for the implications of them), but that doesn't change the fact Nintendo has been doing since 2001 what it was essentially doing before that, except now they're also selling cheap-to-make software to the masses to supplement their income.

Also, the GameCube controller is a way better than the N64 controller.

" I consider myself a real nintendo fan."

"But since the release of the gamecube, nintendo has been re-releasing his games and they kinda killed most of their franchises... well they did not kill them, they just made really bad games with them."

" Problem is... the new games are just not really that fun compared to what it used to b."

" Windwaker had way too much water travelling. (and i usually clear the zelda games 100% but didnt even bother for that one)"

" phantom hourglass bugged me a lot because i stopped playing for about 2 months and when i got back into game i had no clue how to clear the dungeon because i had a bunch of arrows written on map and i did not remember anything about it."

"Zelda Twilight Princess was fun... but they should've diversify it a little more.  I played it a lot, cleared i 100%... but i still believe that OOT was way better."

" Umm...i rly start to hate how nintendo puts mario everywhere... mario tennis, mario basketball, baseball...  "

" New super mario bros was fun while mario galaxy was just weird... i never rly thought about mario going in space... and it just bothered me for the whole game."

"Now... they release a New New super mario bros on wii with 4 players on-screen coop... i hope they do it good."

"  (Btw... ps3 is releasing a 256 ppl online game so uhh... having a 4 player mario game isnt that much of a big deal...)"

" Anyone else thinks that nintendo is doing really bad? "

" Without forgetting that the gamecube controller is pretty bad compared to other controllers... And as bad as it was... it's still the best way to play super smash brawl on wii.... Failure... "

I think there are some flaws in your thinking (and a lot of nostalgia influencing what people currently think of the company) but having played Twilight Princess recently, I'm inclined to agree. That game falls apart in the second half completely - the design of the Snowpeak Ruins was boring and oftentimes more frustrating than providing any fun challenge, the Temple of Time was a straight line with a boring gimmick, and the whole part of the game with the Palace of Twilight and Hyrule Castle feels rushed and generic. They ruined the mystique of the amazing cutscene which sets up the Zant character after you collect the fused shadows with his temper tantrum and goofy, lazy boss fight, and the final boss feels way too easy, with the challenge coming more from wrangling with the slightly awkward horse combat (which I'm willing to give a pass because I imagine fighting on a horse is hard) and Mario Party style QTE button mashing. They had a good thing going and it fell apart completely, barring the sky temple (which was awesome) in the second half of the game. It's not like Nintendo at all for one of their AAA games to do that, and it makes me worried about how the next Zelda will be, let alone the rest of their products.

MAN I HAVE NEVAR SEEN A THREAD LIKE THIS.


NEVER

I think it's just you and people who don't like fun games in general. And so what if just two franchises are having problems, which they may or may not. What about all of Nintendo's other great games like the Kirby series? Professor Layton? Metroid? Rhythm Heaven? Pokemon's doing better than ever (core series, screw the side-stuff). Oh and btw, Blizzard and NCSoft have these big multi-million player games so... is 256 really a big deal? (See where broken logic may be broken?)

The Wii had a weak 2008. Other than that, it's been performing better than the Gamecube. 2009 has been great so far, and 2010 looks fantastic.

"The Wii had a weak 2008. Other than that, it's been performing better than the Gamecube. 2009 has been great so far, and 2010 looks fantastic.

Here's a trick to help you fix the HD dilemma. When switching from HD to SD, pop in an N64 game for 15 minutes to help the transition. Trust me, it works like wonders. Playing PS1/N64 games makes you understand just how far graphics have come, even on the Wii.

"

i like 3d platformers way more than 2d ones. 

Depends on your point of view. I'm sure you're pleased if you have a pocketful of Nintendo stock, but as a gamer I'd say their highpoint was either the NES or SNES (could make a case for either).

Nintendo developed / published Super Nintendo (SNES) games in the first 3 years of it's lifespan before the release of the SuperFX chip

• F-Zero
• A Link To The Past
• Mario Paint
• Pilotwings
• Super Mario Kart
• Super Mario World
• Super Play Action Football
• super Scope 6
• Battle Clash
• Metal Combat
• NCAA Basketball
• SimCity
• Super Mario All-Stars
• Super Tennis
• Yoshi's Cookie

Nintendo developed/published Wii games 3 years into it's lifespan before the release of Wii Motion Plus:

• Animal Crossing
• Big Brain Academy
• Zelda: Twilight Princess
• Link's Crossbow Training
• Mario Kart Wii
• Super Mario Galaxy
• Mario Party 8
• Mario Strikers Charged
• Mario Super Sluggers
• Super Paper Mario
• Super Smash Bros. Brawl
• Wario Land: Shake It
• WarioWare: Smooth Moves
• Wii Chess
• Wii Fit
• Wii Sports
• Wii Music
• Wii Play
• Battallion Wars 2
• Disaster: Day of Crisis
• Donkey Kong Jet Race
• Endless Ocean
• ExciteTruck
• Excitebots
• Fatal Frame IV
• Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
• Harvest Moon
• Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games
• Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
• New Play Control!-Series (Pikmin, Metroid, Jungle Beat, Mario Tennis)
• Pokémin Battlle Revolution
• Punch-Out!!
• Super Swing Golf
• Trace Memory R
• Trauma Center: New Blood
• Traume Center: Second Opinion
• Wing Island
• Zack & Wiki

" @Meowayne:  Quantity is there... quality isnt "

I think the major problem is that you need to broaden your horizons and buy third party Wii games. Not just the Nintendo-only stuff. It's like buying a 360 and owning only Halo, Gears and Crackdown.

I personally don't own a Wii, but if I did, I'd be rocking the lightgun games. Love to see a resurgence of 1990's nostalgia.

On top of that, theres the following recommendable third-party/multiplat/wiiware-output:
Arc Rise Fantasia, Boom Blox 1 & 2, Broken Sword: DC, Bully: Scholarship Edition, Call of Duty: World At War, The Conduit, Dawn of Discovery, Deadly Creatures, De Blob, Grand Slam Tennis, Elebits, My Life as a King, Geometry Wars Galaxies, Ghostbusters, Godfather: Blackhand Edition, Guitar Hero series, Rock Band series, Rune Factory: Frontier, House of the Dead: OVERKILL, Klonoa, Kororinpa 1 & 2, LEGO series, Let's Tap, Little King's Story, MadWorld, Manhunt 2, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, MoH: Vanguard, Mercury Meltdown Revolution, Metal Slug Anthology, No More Heroes, Okami, Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition, Madden, Phantom Brave, PES 09, RRR TVP, Sam&Max Season 1, Samurai Shodown Anthology, SSX Blur, Force Unleashed, Super Monkey Ball, Tales of Symphonia, Tenchu: SA, Tiger Woods PGA 10, Tomb Raider: Anniversary, World of Goo, Onslaught, StrongBad, Swords&Soldiers, LostWinds, BombermanBlast, TetrisWorld, Bonsai Barber, Icarian, Bit.Trip Beat.
And the entirety of the Gamecube library, and the Virtual Console offerings, and all of this that is coming up.

So no. I don't think Nintendo is going downhill. Even if their sales weren't through the roof. :)

" Without forgetting that the gamecube controller is pretty bad compared to other controllers... And as bad as it is... it's still the best way to play super smash brawl on wii.... Failure... "

Gamecube was awesome, actually.

Much like the average "gamer" looks selectively @ the Wii shovelware (and often times the remote design, for whatever childish reason) and goes "lol no gaemz" ignoring the good titles on it. Both the GC and the WIi were mistreated from the same audience, at least the Wii has managed to attract a different one big-time and so will enjoy a far healthier life, boosting the lifetime's titles for the "core" users of it as well.

Why is it that so many new users think it's a fantastic idea to make threads about why they think the Wii is a failure, and then proceed to make nonsensical and uninformed arguements about how it doesn't have any good games? Mods, could we please just lock these from now on, or make a dedicated thread or something? This shit is annoying.