I noticed while on vacation that im still on outy of the country GPUs were still releasing in the US. I was sort of expecting some GPUs to hit the shelves soon since hardware websites like Tom'shardware and overclockers.net were reporting new architechtures and really juicy rumors. I was kind of exited.

Well, it's not like there's going to be a major hardware revolution every 3 months. Give it some time. When the gtx 350 is released maybe we'll see some fireworks.

"Well, it's not like there's going to be a major hardware revolution every 3 months. Give it some time. When the gtx 350 is released maybe we'll see some fireworks. "

Yeah I am fine with my Dual 9800GTX right now. I will upgrade when something amazing releases.

Yeah I saw a comparison of the two on Extremetech the other day, not so impressed with the value vs. quality factor of the cards. I'm running a 9800GT currently (I know, but it was cheap) and don't plan on upgrading until the 350 comes out.

see there you go, 9800GT's, 9800GTX in SLI, im sure you guys have no complain running your games at this point in time right? COMPLETE FILLER CARDS!!!

Why would anyone cry for more frequent hardware overhauls as opposed to simply have more good looking games that are optimised and work well with what's out right now, and decently with what was out two or three years ago? We don't need another Crysis, we need developers to actually fully use what they have to work with. Look @ what consoles are pushing in comparison to their specs and tell me you wouldn't want to see PC developers do an equally good work, and instead you're content and happy to spend more money every year. Rich or not, happy to throw all the money of the world to your hobby or not, you should wish to get what the money's worth anyway, and game devs don't put up. Not that I don't buy lesser looking games, but it's a matter of context. I won't expect an indie 2-man team to put out the next Crysis, but the big publishers are another matter, and need to step up their game. Not just visually of course. On the other hand, dev costs are increasing all the time and we're heading for the tougher end of an economic crisis so lower budget games may be frequent. I'm okay with it, as long as they're fun and aren't sold for 50 euros. We really shouldn't wish for games that don't run on our setups to start appearing already just to get new cards out, you know.

For the record, I own a GTX 285 and I do hope it will last quite a while. My X800 XL would probably still be used if it hadn't broken down. I'm glad the new cards released aren't that much better yet so thanks for that information, it made me a happy PC gamer.

i may be biased, but based on all the reviews i'm seeing, the Hd4890 is a card worth investing in.

"i may be biased, but based on all the reviews i'm seeing, the Hd4890 is a card worth investing in. "

It seems to me that there hasn't been a major new graphics evolution since the 8800 series came out.  I think this generation of games and the slowing evolution of PC game graphics is the #1 cause (leading people to invest less in graphics cards).  The average purchased graphics card price (that is the average price people buy a card at) dropped in recent years to about $60.  The high end market is smaller than ever.

darkgoth678 said:

Then someone led me to the specs of a 360 and its somewhere along the lines of a 7300GT and a lesser tri-core processor. 

darkgoth678 said:

Then someone led me to the specs of a 360 and its somewhere along the lines of a 7300GT and a lesser tri-core processor. 

Whoever told you that was an idiot.  Seriously."

"It seems to me that there hasn't been a major new graphics evolution since the 8800 series came out.  I think this generation of games and the slowing evolution of PC game graphics is the #1 cause (leading people to invest less in graphics cards).  The average purchased graphics card price (that is the average price people buy a card at) dropped in recent years to about $60.  The high end market is smaller than ever.

well the 7300GT part kind of shoked me but i think the tri-core CPU is fair. They didn't evven say it was that exactly it was just "it resembles

yeah im with ya though, the high end market is slower than ever. like Al3xan3r and you said, we just need for developers to give us a real reason to be in the high-end market.

Meh, games are already running @ 30 fps on the consoles, that shows they're limited actually. If they had performance room left, why not lock them @ a higher rate? if not 60 then 40. Anything would look at least a little smoother. Of course, there can be room for further optimization as they get more experienced and learn new tricks so things WILL improve. Just remains to be seen by how much, with the already familiar architecture there may not be a leap as massive as say, early days of the PS1 or 2 vs their final days.

"Meh, games are already running @ 30 fps on the consoles, that shows they're limited actually. If they had performance room left, why not lock them @ a higher rate? if not 60 then 40. Anything would look at least a little smoother. Of course, there can be room for further optimization as they get more experienced and learn new tricks so things WILL improve. Just remains to be seen by how much, with the already familiar architecture there may not be a leap as massive as say, early days of the PS1 or 2 vs their final days."

I never implied they run @ a constant speed of 30 fps because the machine can't push more at any one time, like your looking @ a wall situation. It would be impossible to balance performance in that way without locking it so yes, I'm aware of that. Clearly though, if they lock it @ 30 then they think it would drop to that too often to make it a smooth experience, which is why they chose 30 and not 60, or 45. None of that would be held at a smooth and consistent... constant... as much as 30.

None of that would be held at a smooth and consistent... constant... as much as 30.

Meh, I don't see any reason to not lock it at a smoother frame rate if the machine can handle it throughout. And man if they took it even less than 30 fps that'd not be much of a next gen... 25 looked horrible to me back in the Saturn days when Panzer Dragoon (The first, not Zwei or Saga) used it. Ouch.

Still running my trusty 9800GTX and i havnt met a game i couldnt max out besides crysis.