Personally I think it is an outrage that people have spent money on hardware like Dx10 cards and now this is announced.

http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/07/directx-11-supp.html

Yeah, it is quite the travesty. But I didn't really get vista for the DX10 or anything so I really could care less, the more people who can play games the better eh?

As long as there is still backwards compatibility for DX10 card, I don't really see how this is a big deal

"As long as there is still backwards compatibility for DX10 card, I don't really see how this is a big deal
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I don't really see the big deal in it, its a bit strange considering dx9 lived like forever.

I think the reason they did this is because they couldn't get everything they wanted into DX10 before Vista came out. And that was their only selling point to gamers. So now they've finally finished it all.

Typical companies trying to make us spend more money. Hopefully its not avaible until the nex Microsoft OS.

"Typical companies trying to make us spend more money. Hopefully its not avaible until the nex Microsoft OS."

I find it a bit quick considering that they haven't really even started to fully utilize the DX10 yet, let alone 10.1.  But if it works on DX10 hardware it doesn't matter.

It's amazing the amount of so-called "hardcore" PC gamers that haven't made the switch to vista because they don't want to spend the cash.  If you were truly hardcore this type of thing wouldn't even be an issue, yet most people define themselves by their ability to not give microsoft or graphics card companies any more of their "hard earned money".  Look ... idiots ... being HARDCORE means spending WAY too much money on a rig that rocks face for the moment and milking it into oblivion just so you can do it all over again in 3 - 4 years.  It's ALWAYS been this way and it ALWAYS will be until the age of the heterogeneous computer ... which ... by the way ... is what DirectX 11 is trying to move us towards!

So please ... keep bitching about having to shell out cash to play your favorite games at the highest settings. Whaa whaa whaa ... evil corporations ... whaa whaa whaa ... too much money ... whaa whaa whaa.  I'll be the guy in the back enjoying Crysis at 1920x1200 with everything on very high the way a real "hardcore" pc gamer should.

And just PLEASE ... wake up!  XP is inferior to Vista in SO MANY ways if you would just realize how to properly build a system for it!  I'm taking PSTs now ... friend requests ... whatever.  If you need help building a system, let me know and I'll gladly throw some stuff together to let you know what's up.  But enough dogging on Vista unless you have a legit reason to do so.  And legit doesn't mean "oh i downloaded a hacked copy and it sucked!" ... lol

I'm sooooo glad i haven't ordered any of the parts for my new PC i planned on getting. I'll wait and see if ATI o Nvidia respond with a message stating their current cards will be able to handle DX11

Woohooo, gonna kick ass

"It's amazing the amount of so-called "hardcore" PC gamers that haven't made the switch to vista because they don't want to spend the cash.  If you were truly hardcore this type of thing wouldn't even be an issue, yet most people define themselves by their ability to not give microsoft or graphics card companies any more of their "hard earned money".  Look ... idiots ... being HARDCORE means spending WAY too much money on a rig that rocks face for the moment and milking it into oblivion just so you can do it all over again in 3 - 4 years.  It's ALWAYS been this way and it ALWAYS will be until the age of the heterogeneous computer ... which ... by the way ... is what DirectX 11 is trying to move us towards!

So please ... keep bitching about having to shell out cash to play your favorite games at the highest settings. Whaa whaa whaa ... evil corporations ... whaa whaa whaa ... too much money ... whaa whaa whaa.  I'll be the guy in the back enjoying Crysis at 1920x1200 with everything on very high the way a real "hardcore" pc gamer should.

And just PLEASE ... wake up!  XP is inferior to Vista in SO MANY ways if you would just realize how to properly build a system for it!  I'm taking PSTs now ... friend requests ... whatever.  If you need help building a system, let me know and I'll gladly throw some stuff together to let you know what's up.  But enough dogging on Vista unless you have a legit reason to do so.  And legit doesn't mean "oh i downloaded a hacked copy and it sucked!" ... lol"

I think its great, im ready for it with my core 2 quad and 8800 gtx :D

A little disappointing for DX10/10.1 owners, it was bound to happen.  The good thing this time is that they aren't restricting it to a specific operating system at the start.  Sounds pretty exciting but considering few developers are using DX10, it won't be popular until consoles start using it.

im glad i held back on building a pc this summer. im not switching to pc gaming anymore.

I don't buy it, direct x 10 was a total gimmick. I really didn't see much of a difference in the so called dx10 supported games, so I switched back to windows xp. I'm perfectly happy with DX9 for the time being, does really well with the games I play. I also think it's too soon for another direct x.

"gladestone said:

"Predasus said:

"It's amazing the amount of so-called "hardcore" PC gamers that haven't made the switch to vista because they don't want to spend the cash.  If you were truly hardcore this type of thing wouldn't even be an issue, yet most people define themselves by their ability to not give microsoft or graphics card companies any more of their "hard earned money".  Look ... idiots ... being HARDCORE means spending WAY too much money on a rig that rocks face for the moment and milking it into oblivion just so you can do it all over again in 3 - 4 years.  It's ALWAYS been this way and it ALWAYS will be until the age of the heterogeneous computer ... which ... by the way ... is what DirectX 11 is trying to move us towards!

So please ... keep bitching about having to shell out cash to play your favorite games at the highest settings. Whaa whaa whaa ... evil corporations ... whaa whaa whaa ... too much money ... whaa whaa whaa.  I'll be the guy in the back enjoying Crysis at 1920x1200 with everything on very high the way a real "hardcore" pc gamer should.

And just PLEASE ... wake up!  XP is inferior to Vista in SO MANY ways if you would just realize how to properly build a system for it!  I'm taking PSTs now ... friend requests ... whatever.  If you need help building a system, let me know and I'll gladly throw some stuff together to let you know what's up.  But enough dogging on Vista unless you have a legit reason to do so.  And legit doesn't mean "oh i downloaded a hacked copy and it sucked!" ... lol"

Predasus im with you buddy all the way..Thats why Crysis sales hurt..People want the latest an greatest in graphics..Yet they are afraid to pay for it arent they...How ever that said..What they dont realise is this..You can buy a 200 dollar card an upgrade..With dx10 graphics its affordable..The card will last 5 years...My dx10 card the 8800 gtx has lasted 3 years already...It still has life in her..People just will complain about any thing..If they just realised that a dx10 card, is cheaper than a console in itself..They will realise they can upgrade for the price of a console..

Thats right people you can have a upgraded pc..For less than what your paying for that ps3 an xbox...Just need to know what your doing is all...
"

If being "hardcore" means having all the latest crap whether you feel the need for it or not then maybe not all of us want to be hardcore, maybe not everyone loves Crysis just because it's shiny, maybe some people see that most devs aren't even utilizing DX10 when DX10.1 and DX11 are already out, maybe some people don't feel the difference between DX9 and DX10 is enough reason to switch to Vista, maybe some people have realized the irony in Microsoft pushing out new versions of DX for PC while forcing developers to stick with DX9 thanks to 360's outdated hardware, and maybe not all of us are graphics whores.
"

Subpar software for a subpar operating system

Interesting, i think its neither a good or bad thing really as DX10 cards will still be able to run DX11, i see no problem there at all..... and anything to make games look good and more compatible with gamers hardware is a plus... I still only currently own a AGP BFG 7800 GS graphics card, so im falling behind fairly rapidly these days... and gets anoying that soon as something new comes out, something even newer comes out within a few weeks or months...   think the whole DX10.1 is a flop, and jus should be dumped i dont even know if its even released yet.... and totally pointless if DX11 is comming out anyway.... 
Most gamers should at least have a DX10 card by now, im just slow on the mark and have bills that need to be paid..... but DX11 shouldn't be too much of an issue with most gamers these days

Most people don't even have DX10 cards yet. I recently got one a couple of months ago.

It seems way to early, most games don't even use DX 10 yet let alone the fact that most people don't have the Video Cards or OS for it.

Already? Developers still haven't figured out even half of Dx10's features yet.

too soon

I do find it odd that it is coming out so so soon after DX10, since DX9 seemed to be around forever in comparison, but whatever works, works.  If all my hardware works with DX11 then I don't care when it is released to be honest.  If it doesn't, I'll just have to upgrade my computer again (though I just upgraded last year to the 8800 GTX 768 mb and a Core 2 Duo E6850).  Its really not the end of the world, and this is coming from somebody who has spent a ton of money that he really doesn't have on a system that might become "outdated" sooner than he had anticipated!

I had no idea such thing had been announced, i'm yet to use vista or DX10 for the first time :?. I think its a little soon, like me other ppl probably dont like Vista and prefer to use XP even if it means using DX9. Greedy greedy companies T_T.

TOO EARLY!

I mean DX10.1 has just been released and is it one game that uses it? Why not just keep improving DX10 like they did on DX9? Or why not make DX10 a little more reliable and not too dependent on high end hardware.

As long as it runs SMOOTHLY on our DX10 cards I'm fine with it.

New technology is always a good thing, but I think it's wayyyy too early. DX10 hasnt even had it's chance in the spotlight.

I think they need to wait till they have a bit more substance to justify the update.

DX11 is compatible with DX10, so I don't really see much of a problem. Just an advancement in technology.

DirectX 10 / 10.1, I hardly knew ye.

NOW CAN MS PLEASE RELEASE DIRECTX X FOR WINDOWS XP USERS?

aye ... xp sucks ... there ... i said it ... crucify me

Don't care, prolly won't notice the dif :/

Sounds like good news for the people who already bought a dx10 card and vista :D

I have no idea why MS think the PC market needs another DX.  I have to admit that I've not really read much detail concerning what DX11 brings to the table, but I am guessing that it optimises and refines DX10 more than anything else.  I'm all for progress, but its things like this which create the fragmented pc market and helps to discourage people away from it.

Far to early but meh the more the better I guess...

"I have no idea why MS think the PC market needs another DX.  I have to admit that I've not really read much detail concerning what DX11 brings to the table, but I am guessing that it optimises and refines DX10 more than anything else.  I'm all for progress, but its things like this which create the fragmented pc market and helps to discourage people away from it."

In another 12-24 months when I do a major hardware upgrade of my computer I might care because I'll be in the video card market anyways. I have an 8800GT now so I'll be alright for a while.

my opinion on this matter was a negative one to start with... but the more I read about it the more it makes sense

1. yes I do agree with some folks.. dx11 announced a bit to early.. but its not like its coming out tomorrow or next month.. or even this year.. " its gonna be a long while I bet! "
   
2. as they are saying it will be compatible with dx10 and dx10.1 hardware..so everyone who did buy a dx10 card or higher recently will benefit from this
3. as far as I understood the changes to the graphical performance is more optimization rather than complete overhaul..
   quick example: lets say your using SLI or Crossfire X the performance you get from your second or 3rd graphics card and what they could do with it now for games is minimal..cause so far the system only allows to render 3 frames ahead... so when you have lets say 3 videocards as a hardcore pc gamer.. your second card may only give you 35% improvement.. and your third card less than 10% overall
4. maybe we finaly see unified physics code implemented in it so pc users dont have to install third party ageia or havoc " would make it way more easyer to devolp games with better physics built in for the pc "

"Unlike DirectX 10 it will not require new graphics card hardware specifically supporting the new API version, and will support both DirectX 10 and DirectX 10.1 hardware."

OH NO THEY ARE MAKING DIRECTX WORK BETTER ON CURRENT HARDWARE AND THEY'RE INTRODUCING GPGPU SUPPORT!!!! OH NO! EVIL MICRO$OFT

geez im still using DX9 and games look good

The whole thing seems a bit odd to me, DX 10 just came out and games haven't even converted to full DX 10 support and all that fancy stuff.

I think it's too early considering game makers are finally starting to utilize DX10's abilities in games. If anyone is considering buying a video and are on a budget I might suggest to hold off, and yes hold off on the first generation of DX11 cards as well. I always find it to be a good rule to never buy fresh out of the market hardware, but that's just me. Of course if the DX11 isn't slated to be released within the next few years then yes, I would upgrade to a nice spiffy video card then.

They said that it won't be released before end 2009 / first half of 2010 so anyone shouldn't be worried, the DX10 hardware will stay long enough until the next generation comes.

"Predasus said:

"EntwineX said:

"gladestone said:

"Predasus said:

"It's amazing the amount of so-called "hardcore" PC gamers that haven't made the switch to vista because they don't want to spend the cash.  If you were truly hardcore this type of thing wouldn't even be an issue, yet most people define themselves by their ability to not give microsoft or graphics card companies any more of their "hard earned money".  Look ... idiots ... being HARDCORE means spending WAY too much money on a rig that rocks face for the moment and milking it into oblivion just so you can do it all over again in 3 - 4 years.  It's ALWAYS been this way and it ALWAYS will be until the age of the heterogeneous computer ... which ... by the way ... is what DirectX 11 is trying to move us towards!

So please ... keep bitching about having to shell out cash to play your favorite games at the highest settings. Whaa whaa whaa ... evil corporations ... whaa whaa whaa ... too much money ... whaa whaa whaa.  I'll be the guy in the back enjoying Crysis at 1920x1200 with everything on very high the way a real "hardcore" pc gamer should.

And just PLEASE ... wake up!  XP is inferior to Vista in SO MANY ways if you would just realize how to properly build a system for it!  I'm taking PSTs now ... friend requests ... whatever.  If you need help building a system, let me know and I'll gladly throw some stuff together to let you know what's up.  But enough dogging on Vista unless you have a legit reason to do so.  And legit doesn't mean "oh i downloaded a hacked copy and it sucked!" ... lol"

Predasus im with you buddy all the way..Thats why Crysis sales hurt..People want the latest an greatest in graphics..Yet they are afraid to pay for it arent they...How ever that said..What they dont realise is this..You can buy a 200 dollar card an upgrade..With dx10 graphics its affordable..The card will last 5 years...My dx10 card the 8800 gtx has lasted 3 years already...It still has life in her..People just will complain about any thing..If they just realised that a dx10 card, is cheaper than a console in itself..They will realise they can upgrade for the price of a console..

Thats right people you can have a upgraded pc..For less than what your paying for that ps3 an xbox...Just need to know what your doing is all...
"

If being "hardcore" means having all the latest crap whether you feel the need for it or not then maybe not all of us want to be hardcore, maybe not everyone loves Crysis just because it's shiny, maybe some people see that most devs aren't even utilizing DX10 when DX10.1 and DX11 are already out, maybe some people don't feel the difference between DX9 and DX10 is enough reason to switch to Vista, maybe some people have realized the irony in Microsoft pushing out new versions of DX for PC while forcing developers to stick with DX9 thanks to 360's outdated hardware, and maybe not all of us are graphics whores.
"

I smell a console owner ...

I said legit reasons.  And sir ... I am not a graphics whore ... I just enjoy having things run properly.  I have a standard of operation for my computer that is set above the average user.  But this is all besides the point.  Looking at the development of recent games ... 9 / 10 games on my computer right now can be run in both Dx9 and Dx10 mode ... one is a console release ... that came out on ... GASP! ... the 360?!?!?!?! (devil may cry 4 anyone?)  I do agree however that console games are gimping us PC users in a serious way, but most all recent Games for Windows releases can be played in Dx10 mode which is why they created the Games for Windows marketing spin in the first place.

I'm wondering how you can say Dx11 is coming too soon when maybe Dx11 is going to bring more of what developers want to the table?  het-ero-gene-ous ... big word I know ... even I had to look up the spelling ... but it means AWESOME things for PC gaming if they do it right and Dx11 is a step in that direction!  Don't get mad at microsoft for finally seeing the f'in LIGHT and creating a product that game developers actually WANT!  I've seen more interviews with devs talking about the future of PC games and a lot of them talk about a heterogeneous computer ... it is the future.  Go read some websites or something ... or whatever ... keep playing Cake Builder Pro Elite 4 or whatever the hell it is you enjoy doing ...

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=187&Itemid=38 - read"

I've been a PC only gamer for over 10 years, I really have no interest in consoles. And by the sound of it I've spend less money on it in 10 years than you have in 10 months.

Lot of games "support" DX10, but in most cases it has just been slapped on afterwards adding few effects here and there, games developed in DX10 from ground up are still in development, if even there. If DMC4 is unplayable to you in DX9, well, that's too bad, I guess you do then need to burn that money. But if I feel it's good enough in DX9 I'm not sure why you need to get your knickers twisted about it.

DX11 coming out tomorrow or yesterday doesn't make a difference to me, and since apparently it's Vista compatible and works with DX10 hardware I have no real issues with it. Tho I do feel MS screwed people a bit with DX10 and Vista, 8800 series was great but not thanks to the aforementioned duo. Anyway, that's not what I was responding to.

I was aiming at your post where you tell how the only way to be a PC gamer is spending as much as possible. But in reality, much thanks to consoles and the structure of PC market, new technologies might not truly break through till the next gen. Many of great things and ideas have been created hardware vise in the past, but have somewhat flopped, pushed back, or gone completely unnoticed thanks to software companies wanting biggest possible market, and that means making software to the lowest common denominator. That's why getting all the latest and the best might not be necessary, or even smart, and that was the only point I was making in regard to you post.
"

DirectX 11

Kevin stressed that today's announcement was a "technology" announcement. Furthermore, "DirectX 11 will work on Windows Vista, as well as the next version of Windows, which will support DirectX 10, 10.1, and of course new DirectX 11 hardware."

Even though there will be backwards-compatibility with DX10 hardware, the compatibility isn't 100%. According to Kevin, "you can expect that there will be DX11 features that need DX11 hardware," though Microsoft isn't ready to announce what they are at this time.

"Some of the improvements," continued Kevin, "for example, the ability to take much better advantage of multi-core capable PC's [is] something that we're going to extend all the way down to DX10 hardware. There are improvements across the board for gamers that have DX10 and DX10 hardware as well as some new things that we'll do that will require DX11 hardware."

"If you look at DX11, which is a direct superset of what DX10 and 10.1 offer, you're starting to see all of the investment developers have made in DX10 and 10.1 and consumers have made in that hardware, that experience is only going to get better with DX11."

It's too early to hear about any specific games or developers that are getting DirectX 11-ready, but it looks like a good future for Games for Windows LIVE and DirectX 11.

... DAMNIT ... fuck microsoft sometimes ... seriously ... :|

I'm still using DX 9, and its working just fine. So until that is completely phased off the list of compatibility of future games, I see no point to upgrade.

As long as DX10 cards support it and run it just fine, I don't see why we should be all against it.
Plus at least we won't need to upgrade our OS's like Microsoft did with DX10

This thread is ridiculous, Direct X has always been released on a some what frequent basis, everyone just got too used to DX 9 which should be seen as the exception rather than the rule of how long they should last.