@gooni: i am basically just criticizing this game. i just don't consider such a thing 'sexual ownership' even if she acts like it. just saying it doesn't turn me on her in this case. but i didn't mean to attack all male portrayals of women, as many of them might be bad (sometimes for similar reasons I don't like this) doesn't mean all of them are bad, yes. depends on the respect imo
@spaceinsomniac: point appreciated but i'm not saying all of that because i don't like this particular game; i find that i just don't think it's such a big deal to dislike something others like. i don't know everything that they might feel about whatever thing it is. it's not a personal fan-to-fan thing. a girl can like it! i can't judge everyone. and i don't find that it necessarily has to be an identity thing idk! 2 each ur own. just do ur. but thanks for the thoughts
my main thing was w/ the game makers. they can do better, or other ppl can. more representation
@theht: i didn't say that the same exact game would be better from female creators (the game would not be the exact same though) or that anyone can give a game character real autonomy but i made that obvious point for my counter to the defenses that "she owns her sexuality" in the way actors/musicians/performers etc. might. the game developers make her act for their game however they want. what i meant
@gooni: an essay not a book!!:p but ok some of the defenses of the game mention that bayonetta takes ownership of her sexuality. that makes more sense to me in other creative situations. as an animated character in a game made by guys she obviously doesn't really have that autonomy and it seems to me that she is just "drawn that way". it is not as bad as the stereotypical fantasy girl objects but that's what that essay is about when it points out the predominance of male directors and that we take their perspective, the way movies work. you're still always seeing her through the eyes of the guy behind the camera so to speak. so with a game (not live-action) that would apply to the animators too. what i mean is that issues with sexualization of her are not necessarily cleared by her behavior. i don't think they are. hope that makes sense lol
never makes sense to me to call it "owning" sexuality if the character and game is made by men. same leering, just a different kind of female personality that they made, unconventional as it may be, sadly
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