deusdigit

@deusdigit said:

@S0ndor said:

Advertisement is as much about brand awareness as it is about getting people to buy a specific product. We are all affected, whether you care to admit it or not.   Your point about MW3 is quite simply wrong. Trailers and advertisements generate hype and draw in new consumers. Young kids in particular don't generally go to gaming websites. Yet after seeing an advert they will be bitching to their parents for months, until they finally cave and buy them the damn game. Advertisements get consumers to shell out tonnes of extra cash for pre-order bonuses, special editions, collector's editions and DLC.

But these are the casual gamers/people who are already taken advantage of and don't really look at a advertisement as a negative thing. Instead of trying to act intellectual and point out that i am "simply wrong" just means you are putting your opinion in and this is the place to do so. but i wouldn't quite say i am wrong. I don't pre order at gamestop for the simple fact that the so called exclussive pre order bonuses are actually worthless and don't contribute to the gaming experience once so ever. the presale codes to unlock content are so gimmicky and i know this because i am an experienced consumer because its a marketing ploy.   The point i am trying to make is that a lot of us are becoming experienced consumers because of the internet and we will buy something when we actually want it. Hell, i don't really care for a new burrito introduced by taco bell because i can get more off of their dollar menu. and i don't get fooled particularly when something says "It's for a limited time only" It's just going to make a re appearance in a few months or maybe even next year.

Indeed, consumers are getting smarter, scientific studies have shown this to be true. Perhaps you should have made this the main point of your topic. Opening with "advertisements are worthless" ( a statement that couldn't be less wrong) doesn't do much to facilitate discussion. It just gets you a lot of " lol OP doesn't understand marketing" replies.  The very fact that you know what I'm talking about when I say Coca-Cola, McDonald's, Mars, Fanta and Mercedes proves that advertisements are not worthless.

Advertising: the business of drawing public attention to goods and services.

If you have ever bought something while your eyes are open you have been subjected to some form of advertising. Unless you are being fed through a tube because you are in a coma you are subjected to advertising.

Now before you say I'm not talking about Advertisements read this definition.

Advertisement: A notice or announcement in a public medium promoting a product, service, or event

I'm guessing OP has no idea about what advertisements are and what they do.

Advertisement is as much about brand awareness as it is about getting people to buy a specific product. We are all affected, whether you care to admit it or not.   Your point about MW3 is quite simply wrong. Trailers and advertisements generate hype and draw in new consumers. Young kids in particular don't generally go to gaming websites. Yet after seeing an advert they will be bitching to their parents for months, until they finally cave and buy them the damn game. Advertisements get consumers to shell out tonnes of extra cash for pre-order bonuses, special editions, collector's editions and DLC.

@Commando said:

@benjaebe said:

Fucking lame, really. You can have Republican sex scandal after Republican sex scandal, but the moment a Democrat tweets a picture of his junk to some chick he's never met and he's basically forced to resign.

I'm not doubting you, but Clinton stayed in office after his scandal and he's a democrat.

also: jfk. but he ended up getting shot so that's not really a great example.

You notice how you never purchase anything you see on advertisements, simply because you already know exactly what you want? It's true! I almost never buy anything i see on TV and if i do, i always check the reviews/opinions on the product in question. 
 
In this day and age, i find my self often frustrated whenever i see a advertisement now, all i can think of whenever they come on is Blah blah blah! because i know it's only the websites, television, radio's way of making money to justify the cost of their bandwidth/airtime and their only way of making profit at the moment. But truth in reality, i think we all subconsciously know what we want and we already know how to get it. The only thing advertisements can really do is appeal to the casual audience of television watchers and let's face it, the ability to use the internet and to share a lot of mainstream mediums has been killing TV for a long time and we all know TV is on the decline. 
 
For instance, i think everyone knows that the release date behind modern warfare 3 for a majority of the population of gamers who have enjoyed that series, will already buy it and already know that its coming out at some point, and if other people don't have access to the internet to obtain the release date, the word of mouth is very clear. No advertisements are necessary unless the the intention is to drill your mind subliminally a million times over with the commercial. 
 
I use IMBD for when i check user submitted reviews behind the film i may spend money on or prepare to watch that i am not already hyped to watch, I use Giantbomb or other game reviewing sites for when i am curious if i should invest in a video game i am unsure of, when i am curious about a used car i will simply go to kellybluebook to see the value of a car and then simply see if a price is fair. i could go on all day about about this but i actually just wanted to make a point that advertisements aren't in the best interest of people anymore. well just maybe the casual ones.

I think the most confusing design element with this game is not the main character, not the game play mechanics, not the enemy a.i, not the story line or the multi-player for me personally. But why that 3D Realms/Gearbox/2K felt it was necessarily to continue/allow using a old technology such as a heavily modified Unreal 2.5 or Unreal 2X (If you will) the same engine that is used with popular titles from Epic Games like Unreal Tournament 2004 for the PC and Unreal Championship 2 for the original Xbox to meld together their own highly anticipated title? We have sense moved past the days of those engines and the life span for them are rather primitive. 
 
i honestly believe this was the biggest downfall of the game its self is a technological move like this, if it were properly optimized. it would have worked amazingly on the Playstation 3 and the Xbox 360. there's no reason for it to be this sluggish and load Soo much. Graphics don't always make a game, but that engine has long sense been dated and i think if 3d realms had used a proper engine that was intended for console versions of the game, it may not have been a technical disaster with its console counter parts.

@deusdigit said:

@Choffy said:

@deusdigit: You aren't coming off this thread looking too hot. I tend to buy games months after they come out a lot of times so I don't spend as much on them. Who really cares if someone gets a game a few days early. Doesn't make the game any less enjoyable.

You're coming off like the guy who yells "FIRST!" in the comments, and no one likes that guy.

I'm not really coming off like that kind of guy at all, i think you need to analyze and check your comparisons before you make a statement like that.

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what makes waiting for the street date so special if this is the case? it literally defeats the purpose of waiting entirely and it also messes up stat tracking and allows people to be dickheads about spoiling the video game.

I have to agree with Choffy and The Laughing Man, the main vibe I'm getting is that you wan't to be first to play new games. I mean as you yourself and other people pointed out, plenty of people these days have played through new releases before you and I can grab them off a shelf and that's not just limited to reviewers. If that doesn't bother you, what is special about a regular guy off the street playing before you?

You mention people getting 'unfair' leaderboard advantages but that's kind of a weak point because I assume most people will acknowledge getting to the top of a leaderboard these days is mostly about how much time you can pump into a game, so unless you're in that top percentile of players who can afford to spend a good chunk of their waking day playing a game, a day or two head start is not going to make any real difference at all once those kind of serious contenders start playing the hell out of a game post-release.

I mean contrast some guys getting the game two days early with you being laid up ill in bed for two days, you being unable to play the game for two days does not make the leaderboards redundant or 'messed up' to you when you recover. Furthermore! It's not at all uncommon these days (at least I've seen it happen on a number of occasions) for developers to reset the leaderboards for games on the morning of the street date, so it's neither a particularly serious problem, nor is it the case that there isn't a fix already in use.

I don't even know what you mean by " what makes waiting for the street date so special if this is the case?" - special? Special in what way? It's not a public holiday or anything, it is, as you probably know, just a mechanism to try and keep a publishers various retailer partners happy - in a perfect world the logistics would be so well worked out that every store that wanted to sell copies would get their first stock on the same day but, it is not a perfect world and we have streetdates.

Someone else getting the game two days before you cannot possibly "defeat the purpose of waiting", you're waiting because you don't have access to a shop selling the game yet - unless you live next to a mom & pop store that regularly breaks street dates, but you're crazy principled and refuse to buy from them until the hallowed street date, I don't see how it can annoy you? Again, compare the scenario of a guy down the street from you getting the game a couple of days early, with people in Europe getting a game a few days before America. I assume you don't get annoyed at the people in Europe when a game comes out there before it does in the States so why is it any different at all on a smaller scale unless you're just being petty-minded about it?