@xdaknightx69 said:

@Enigma777 said:

@Pezen: While it's true that PC games are generally $10 cheaper that trend is becoming less common now that PC devs know they can charge more for their games (look at Blizzard and EA). Furthermore I can't really stress the amazon credit (Best Buy giftcard, etc) that publishers have adopted in the past 2 or so years.

For example lets look at LOTR: War in the North, an upcoming game on all 3 platforms. The PC version is currently $49.99 while the console versions are $56.49 (360) and $59.99 (PS3). however both the 360 and the PS3 versions come with a $20 Amazon credit, essentially knocking down the price to $40.

i dont hav amazon/steam etc where i live, so if i wanted to play BF3 on a console it would cost me Rs. 3,000+ PS3/360 for which i would get less players and crappy graphics, i pre-ordered BF3 for the PC for Rs.1,499 .

does that add up over time ?

Hey, buy whichever is cheaper for you. I'm not trying to convince people that console gaming is better in general, merely explain why it's better for me.

@Afroman269: You do that and someone make a post "Why I am a Portable Gamer" and someone else make a post "Why I am a Mobile Gamer" and then someone else make a post "Why I'm not a Gamer".

???

Profit.

You spelled "I can't afford it" wrong.

I admit I didn't get past the first section, because the part about multiplayer made me lol too much.

@Enigma777 said:

I'm not trying to convince people that console gaming is better in general, merely explain why it's better for me.

Gamepads are better. They just are. Why on Earth would anyone use them when given the choice?

You say that as it is fact and it blows your mind that people like different things than you! Yes, I cut out your reasoning as to why so I could point out the part I am referring to more accurately. You know, accuracy? that thing that PCs do?! HA. Okay, that was mean, sorry.

Holy shit that was actually in the second section. Clearly the most compelling anti-PC argument to date, sir, well done.

@NekuSakuraba said:

@Enigma777 said:

I'm not trying to convince people that console gaming is better in general, merely explain why it's better for me.

Gamepads are better. They just are. Why on Earth would anyone use them when given the choice?

You say that as it is fact and it blows your mind that people like different things than you! Yes, I cut out your reasoning as to why so I could point out the part I am referring to more accurately. You know, accuracy? that thing that PCs do?! HA. Okay, that was mean, sorry.

I was talking about the WASD keys. I fully acknowledge that the mouse is more accurate and faster than an analog stick when it comes to aiming, but using 4 separate keys to move around in 3D space is utter madness! MADNESS!

i'm gonna start a thread called "why i'm a biker " lol which would be pointless coz i also like to use my car when its raining etc

for some people Bike > car and for some Car > bike

both are valid for whoever is making the argument.

@Enigma777: Getting credit is not exactly the same as paying less. If I pay 60 for something that gives me 20 credit, I still paid 60. It's not as if I get that 20 back. It's locked store credit. Also, looking over Amazon, it seems (I'm not US based, so I don't shop there) the only things getting credit is pre-orders, which means post-pre-order you're still paying more for the console version without getting credit. I get what you're aiming for, but I don't think educated consumer choices can be used as an argument over what it says on the price tag. Basically, you're giving a lot of credit (no pun intended) to your average customer's ability to hunt for the best price to fit your argument. Most people probably just walk into a store and pay whatever price is on the box. If people were smart with their money, Gamestop and other high priced retailers wouldn't be around or carry games at all. But as said, if finances was an objection, I wouldn't be sitting here having this hobby in the first place so it's not really a big deal.

I love my 360, but there isn't a single thing that it does better than my PC, especially when I have the option of pushing a button and playing on my big tv with a controller or wireless mouse and keyboard anyway.

Your arguments are flawed, OP.

@Enigma777 said:

@NekuSakuraba said:

@Enigma777 said:

I'm not trying to convince people that console gaming is better in general, merely explain why it's better for me.

Gamepads are better. They just are. Why on Earth would anyone use them when given the choice?

You say that as it is fact and it blows your mind that people like different things than you! Yes, I cut out your reasoning as to why so I could point out the part I am referring to more accurately. You know, accuracy? that thing that PCs do?! HA. Okay, that was mean, sorry.

I was talking about the WASD keys. I fully acknowledge that the mouse is more accurate and faster than an analog stick when it comes to aiming, but using 4 separate keys to move around in 3D space is utter madness! MADNESS!

Ehh.. I don't mind it. Do you play a lot of PC? If not, that's probably why you don't like it. It's similar to using analog sticks for the first time, it sucks for a short while then it becomes fine.

The controls argument is total crap. kb+m is better for things such as fps's or rts's, and for games that play way better with a gamepad... well you can just plug in a gamepad.

T is for Trying.

@Enigma777 said:

@Pezen: While it's true that PC games are generally $10 cheaper that trend is becoming less common now that PC devs know they can charge more for their games (look at Blizzard and EA). Furthermore I can't really stress the amazon credit (Best Buy giftcard, etc) that publishers have adopted in the past 2 or so years.

For example lets look at LOTR: War in the North, an upcoming game on all 3 platforms. The PC version is currently $49.99 while the console versions are $56.49 (360) and $59.99 (PS3). however both the 360 and the PS3 versions come with a $20 Amazon credit, essentially knocking down the price to $40.

Shiiiit game. Hence credit.

@Vodun said:

I wish a game would let you play keyboard n' mouse vs gamepad so this debate could finally be settled about which is the superior control method.

Counter Strike will

I appreciate the Console vs. PC debate, except the part where it always becomes a shit-slinging fest. :/

That being said, I prefer PC gaming (though I've been a console gamer 95% of my life, didn't even own a pc until I was 12*), but I have an Xbox 360 and a PS3 and I enjoy both of them. I often prefer the feel and useability of a pad, and often use a 360 controller in pc games.

Nothing else to say, really. (for me)

*I am 22, for reference

@SeriouslyNow said:

@Enigma777 said:

@Pezen: While it's true that PC games are generally $10 cheaper that trend is becoming less common now that PC devs know they can charge more for their games (look at Blizzard and EA). Furthermore I can't really stress the amazon credit (Best Buy giftcard, etc) that publishers have adopted in the past 2 or so years.

For example lets look at LOTR: War in the North, an upcoming game on all 3 platforms. The PC version is currently $49.99 while the console versions are $56.49 (360) and $59.99 (PS3). however both the 360 and the PS3 versions come with a $20 Amazon credit, essentially knocking down the price to $40.

Shiiiit game. Hence credit.

Portal 2 came with 20 dollars credit. Was that game shit too?

@clstirens said:

@Vodun said:

I wish a game would let you play keyboard n' mouse vs gamepad so this debate could finally be settled about which is the superior control method.

Counter Strike will

Yeah, I'm not sure of that. VALVe/Turtle Rock says it will but I think that's being said to generate interest and conversation because it sounds controversial.

@Afroman269 said:

I on the other hand like to enjoy everything. I have all the consoles, handhelds, and a capable laptop that allows me to enjoy some of the PC exclusives. Within the next year I will have a better rig to run games like Witcher 2 and BF 3. I don't feel the need to choose a side. I'm on everyone's side. Fuck picking sides, that's for chumps.

I should make my own blog. Why I Choose To Own Everything.

SPOILER WARNING: Click here to reveal hidden content.

Because I can

Why I am an N-Gage Player

@SeriouslyNow said:

@clstirens said:

@Vodun said:

I wish a game would let you play keyboard n' mouse vs gamepad so this debate could finally be settled about which is the superior control method.

Counter Strike will

Yeah, I'm not sure of that. VALVe/Turtle Rock says it will but I think that's being said to generate interest and conversation because it sounds controversial.

I seriously doubt valve would completely fabricate a feature for publicity. Granted, that doesn't mean we won't see a sort of division between kb/joystick users, but there will be the option to use a kb+m on the ps3 version.

Also, tf2 portal 1 + 2 and Counterstrike all accept joysticks on pc.

@itsmadness said:

@SeriouslyNow said:

@Enigma777 said:

@Pezen: While it's true that PC games are generally $10 cheaper that trend is becoming less common now that PC devs know they can charge more for their games (look at Blizzard and EA). Furthermore I can't really stress the amazon credit (Best Buy giftcard, etc) that publishers have adopted in the past 2 or so years.

For example lets look at LOTR: War in the North, an upcoming game on all 3 platforms. The PC version is currently $49.99 while the console versions are $56.49 (360) and $59.99 (PS3). however both the 360 and the PS3 versions come with a $20 Amazon credit, essentially knocking down the price to $40.

Shiiiit game. Hence credit.

Portal 2 came with 20 dollars credit. Was that game shit too?

Point taken. Though the 20 credit in that situation was likely funded by Sony/VALVe in an effort to get Steam successfully launched on PS3, then MS decided to match price to prevent loss of sales to the subsidised cheaper PS3 version. You know, business. War in the North will still be a shit game and EA knows this so they're discounting it on consoles which are already filled with third person co-op / competitive MP games. If EA thought it was a great game they'd be making noise of it and stuff for Origin.

@SeriouslyNow said:

@clstirens said:

@Vodun said:

I wish a game would let you play keyboard n' mouse vs gamepad so this debate could finally be settled about which is the superior control method.

Counter Strike will

Yeah, I'm not sure of that. VALVe/Turtle Rock says it will but I think that's being said to generate interest and conversation because it sounds controversial.

Wouldn't Keyboard and mouse players just destroy people using gamepads?

Cool, people with different opinions. You have fun with that.

@SeriouslyNow: Gears 3, FIFA 12, MW3, Skyrim, Halo Anniversary, Rage, TOR, Arkham City. Can you guess what all of those have in common?

A) This is only a problem for stupid people or people that don't wish to use their mind. Myself and vast majority of other PC gamers don't run into problems that we can't solve within minutes.

B) You can use gamespads (or pretty much any other input method available out there) on the PC. Consoles are largely restricted to gamepads.

C) There are really only a handful of decent platform exclusives out there that PC doesn't get. The rest are multiplat and PC get's them in their best form.

D) PC's cost more because they're a higher end good, like a Ferrari is to a family sedan (yeah, THAT analogy again). Also, nearly all AAA new releases sell for $10 cheaper on release. If you go looking in other places you can get them even cheaper. Check out intkeys.com for example, they sell keys for nearly half price.

Summary: you are wrong sir. Now go shower you filthy console swine.

@NekuSakuraba said:

@SeriouslyNow said:

@clstirens said:

@Vodun said:

I wish a game would let you play keyboard n' mouse vs gamepad so this debate could finally be settled about which is the superior control method.

Counter Strike will

Yeah, I'm not sure of that. VALVe/Turtle Rock says it will but I think that's being said to generate interest and conversation because it sounds controversial.

Wouldn't Keyboard and mouse players just destroy people using gamepads?

Game padders don't seem to think so. Hence my wish for this to occur.

@Vodun said:

@NekuSakuraba said:

@SeriouslyNow said:

@clstirens said:

@Vodun said:

I wish a game would let you play keyboard n' mouse vs gamepad so this debate could finally be settled about which is the superior control method.

Counter Strike will

Yeah, I'm not sure of that. VALVe/Turtle Rock says it will but I think that's being said to generate interest and conversation because it sounds controversial.

Wouldn't Keyboard and mouse players just destroy people using gamepads?

Game padders don't seem to think so. Hence my wish for this to occur.

Make it a fighting, racing or character action game and we'll see who destroys who.

@Enigma777: You, sir, are a master provocateur, and I love your blog entry. Here's why you are dead wrong:

Any game where you need to aim a weapon in a three-dimensional space will always, and I mean always (as i; there are no exceptions to this rule) be better with a mouse and keyboard. There is a reason why Microsoft abandoned their plans for cross-platform play through Games for Windows Live. Because PC-players of mediocre to poor skills would wipe the floor, scrub the windows, and dust the cupboards with the best console players. Mouse and keyboard is both faster AND more precise than controllers. Why do you think the new Counterstrike game will have no way of telling which players are playing on console, and which ones are playing on PC. Because it would reflect exactly what Microsoft knew.

As a member of the glorious PC master race, I don't hate you, I pity you. You could be one of us, enlightened and ascendant. Instead, you choose to live in the mud with your consoles, splashing around with a system three generations out of date. You give the impression that games on PC are too complicated. Well, at least there are good news for you. You will always have iPhone games.

@Enigma777 said:

@Vodun said:

@NekuSakuraba said:

@SeriouslyNow said:

@clstirens said:

@Vodun said:

I wish a game would let you play keyboard n' mouse vs gamepad so this debate could finally be settled about which is the superior control method.

Counter Strike will

Yeah, I'm not sure of that. VALVe/Turtle Rock says it will but I think that's being said to generate interest and conversation because it sounds controversial.

Wouldn't Keyboard and mouse players just destroy people using gamepads?

Game padders don't seem to think so. Hence my wish for this to occur.

Make it a fighting, racing or character action game and we'll see who destroys who.

This sounds like the GB crew should make a scrub league for controllers. One type of every genre, controller vs controller. Over all winner is crowned King of Kontrollers.

@Enigma777 said:

@Vodun said:

@NekuSakuraba said:

@SeriouslyNow said:

@clstirens said:

@Vodun said:

I wish a game would let you play keyboard n' mouse vs gamepad so this debate could finally be settled about which is the superior control method.

Counter Strike will

Yeah, I'm not sure of that. VALVe/Turtle Rock says it will but I think that's being said to generate interest and conversation because it sounds controversial.

Wouldn't Keyboard and mouse players just destroy people using gamepads?

Game padders don't seem to think so. Hence my wish for this to occur.

Make it a fighting, racing or character action game and we'll see who destroys who.

So you'll only play games that don't have a distinct advantage on PC in an effort to prove console equality?

How about this:

PC:

Fighting - can use an arcade stick/kb&m/gamepad - Good+*

Racing - can use a wheel/kb&m/gamepad - Good+

character action - can use gamepad/kb&m - Good+

Shooter - Keyboard and mouse/gamepad is you desire - Great

strategy - keyboard and mouse - Great

*Giving +'s for having more options, which is always better IMO.

Console:

Fighting - can use arcade stick/gamepad - Good

Racing - gamepad/wheel - Good

Character action - gamepad - Good

Shooter - gamepad - Acceptable

Strategy - gamepad - *rasberry*

Does not Good+(x3), great, and great trump Good(x3), acceptable and a farting noise?

@Enigma777: You sir, are one hundred percent absolutely correct. This is exactly the way I feel.

Though I feel that steam has gone a long way to increasing the ease of use. Steam games rarely crash or have graphical glitches, at least for me. The only time i play PC games though are when they're not available for consoles, but at least I feel better about it than buying a disc.

Also, let me point out that I don't dislike my pc gaming experiences, recently spent 80 hours with the witcher games using keyboard and mouse, and I would not have preferred it with a controller (at least the first one), but this is a very rare case for me. I'd also like to point out that while born a console gamer (NES. Genesis, N64, PS1) I transitioned to PC gaming during the entire PS2 era. Built several PC's, went to LANs and was all up in that shit. But now that I¨m older and wiser, I prefer to sit in front of my 46" lcd, with a nice ergonomic controller in my hand, and just having to put at disc in and say go.

The way I see it, your choice was made from birth, either you grew up playing console or you grew up with a pc. Personally I'm more of a pc gamer and everything you described as "difficult" or a hastle is just second nature to me. On the other hand I probobly couldent stand up to someone who knows a gamepad better than a roll of toilet paper. I would say that theres rarely any middle ground here. anyone who attests to being a master of both platforms probobly spends a bit too much time with video games.

@Enigma777 said:

@SeriouslyNow: Gears 3, FIFA 12, MW3, Skyrim, Halo Anniversary, Rage, TOR, Arkham City. Can you guess what all of those have in common?

They've all been ruined by console audiences? Hitlerchu wants them all because he can't get laid? They are all listed by a jerkface?

Coexist. I read that on a hippie's bumper sticker somewhere.

@NekuCTR said:

The way I see it, your choice was made from birth, either you grew up playing console or you grew up with a pc.

I don't think that's true. I grew up with a Sega Megadrive. Now I have a load of consoles and game on PC.

@NekuCTR said:

anyone who attests to being a master of both platforms probobly spends a bit too much time with video games.

Oh... well, probably. It is my favourite hobby. That's why I'm here. You don't need to be obsessed to be level headed.

Oh shit, no good will come from this thread, as seen in the past 84 posts.

Also, PC 4 LIFE BIATCH!

I agree with Hitlerchu and those who don't better reconsider, or prepare to be viciously taunted on the forums.

Best thread i read the whole day.

I don't think its ever a matter of X is better than Y. Some games are better with gamepads, while others are better with keyboard and mouse. An rts will never work with a gamepad, a mech sim will never work with a game pad and any shooter where precision and depth of options/tactics are a big part of its design, where many more keys than a gamepad can provide are required, a keyboard and mouse is a must. Crysis 2 was a terrible sequel to Crysis precicesly because it was redesigned from the ground up for a gamepad and the limitations of current consoles. It isn't a bad game but it isn't the true PC game it should have been either.

On the other hand a game like God of War 3 (one of my all time fav games ever now) where I want to be pressing as few buttons as possible to kill things and need to be able to quickly press combinations of said buttons to do various things quickly and efficiently a gamepad is the obvious choice. Controlling Kratos with WASD and mouse clicks would feel awkward and broken at best. Same goes for fighting games. I bought Space Marine on PC when it released and although the standard PC controls are ok the game is very much designed for a gamepad and so I only play it with my 360 PC gamepad.

People need to stop generalizing about whether or not PC gaming controls or console controls are better because the answer is neither. In 50 years our grand children will be calling us babies for still using our hands to play games anyway.

brb going to post a thread about why i'm a handheld gamer and everyone else is dumb

A.100% agreed.

B.Although I also prefer gamepads myself, it would be foolish to say that they are outright better. It all comes to preference, really. Besides, you can generally hook up a controller to the PC (but I found that not all gamepads work, I use my PS3 controller and it only works with a handful of games).

C.Kinda agree. I also prefer the hefty, 'big' games myself. There are many indie games I loved, of course, but only a handful of those can compete with games such as Uncharted or StarCraft in my book.

D.Consoles are cheaper, that's a fact. But I don't really agree with there being only crappy indie games on the steam sale. It's a huge convenience to have your games in one place, and for a lower price.

@xobballox said:

Well, I disagree with your views, sir!

I guess we will have to fight in a gladiatorial arena to the death.

(Also, mouse+keyboard is better for any first person game and many third person games in my experience. A gamepad does have its uses, however.)

like racing.. keyboard = SHIT for racing.. which sucks because i want dirt3 for pc :(

I like both as i own a ps1,2 and 3 and a gaming laptop.. hard choice to pick sometimes but it usually goes at turns. Get one for PC then get one for ps3. Either way i like em both.

@SeriouslyNow said:

@Enigma777 said:

@SeriouslyNow: Gears 3, FIFA 12, MW3, Skyrim, Halo Anniversary, Rage, TOR, Arkham City. Can you guess what all of those have in common?

They've all been ruined by console audiences? Hitlerchu wants them all because he can't get laid? They are all listed by a jerkface?

2 out of 3 aint bad.

Great list, man. I wholeheartedly agree. PC gamers try to get me to adopt to their ways. I just bought Rollercoaster Tycoon 3. After spending about an hour with the tutorial, I wonder if I'll ever play it again... Yikes it is deep.

@Enigma777 said:

@SeriouslyNow said:

@Enigma777 said:

@SeriouslyNow: Gears 3, FIFA 12, MW3, Skyrim, Halo Anniversary, Rage, TOR, Arkham City. Can you guess what all of those have in common?

They've all been ruined by console audiences? Hitlerchu wants them all because he can't get laid? They are all listed by a jerkface?

2 out of 3 aint bad.

I knew you weren't a jerkface.

@Enigma777: Good blog, was fun to read better than the usual pretentious crap it's usually posted - May I add this should be put in the blog squad command initiative or whatever the site is doing.

The only reason I like controllers better, but not enough to plug one in full time (or at all) on a PC game, is because in FPS games, or whatever other game, you can gently push the left stick forward, backward, left, or right, making your character go slower or faster depending on how hard you push instead of just pushing one key to make you walk or run on PC. When I mean better though, I really mean by a very small margin because overall I really don't care, and I just mean I prefer the left stick compared to the keyboard, but I do just fine either way, so that's why I don't mind too much. The thing isn't about being lazy when it comes to setting up a PC, it's more about money. I don't have money to spend on new hardware to make it the best experience I could have, though if I did, I would definitely be playing more PC games just as much as the consoles, so I think A and D come together in one for me. I have no hate towards either one, I just hate when one breaks. That reminds me, I have to vacuum out the systems later today.

Jesus christ, so many retarded consoletards here.

@Nentisys said:

Jesus christ, so many retarded consoletards here.

funny thing you have more Xbox achievements than Steam ones... not trying to be a detective here, but I find the amount of PC elitist posers in this site intriguing, like they talk and talk and talk, and there is that.

@Enigma777: I respect you so, very very much.

@Afroman269 said:

I should make my own blog. Why I Choose To Own Everything.

SPOILER WARNING: Click here to reveal hidden content.

Because I can

wise words.