you said it was legally rape since there was no consent tho? "
Bestiality is legally rape because animals cannot consent. Yes. "
and why can't they consent because they can't speak? "
Doesn't matter. I'm not arguing that they can or can't consent. I'm arguing that they can't legally consent.
Since they can't legally consent then having sex with one is legally rape. "
Legally. in which laws get changed everyday and you are going by legalality? "
Yes. I am calling bestiality rape, because it is legally considered rape. That is what is happening. "
For fucks sake can someone lock this thread? Homosexuality is in no way a slippery slope to animal rape or animal marriage. People who make that comparison are bigots. "
are the people who defends it are. "
Forget it. We don't need a scientist, we don't need a religious scholar, or a historian, a lawyer, a judge, a researcher. We need a fucking middle school English teacher; he/she would be able to tell us very confidently that this person is an idiot, on the basis of his writing alone.
" @BlackJedi: Start anywhere you like. I'm waiting. You can also try Tort Law: Text and Materials, by Lunney and Oliphant, or the Oxford Very Short Introduction to Law. "
those links aint very cred worthy by any means bu tlinks is links on the internet. "
Less "cred worthy" than the links you've posted? Oh wait.
you said it was legally rape since there was no consent tho? "
Bestiality is legally rape because animals cannot consent. Yes. "
and why can't they consent because they can't speak? "
Doesn't matter. I'm not arguing that they can or can't consent. I'm arguing that they can't legally consent.
Since they can't legally consent then having sex with one is legally rape. "
Legally. in which laws get changed everyday and you are going by legalality? "
Yes. I am calling bestiality rape, because it is legally considered rape. That is what is happening. "
Maybe he'll change his opinion if there is ever evidence to suggest that an animal can both fully comprehend the meanings and implications of marriage and express its consent to a person legally permitted to perform a marriage.
" I remember I overheard a conversation involving a black kid in his school band being overthrown by his bandmates after he claims that Darwin's evolutionary theory is false with unacceptable reasons behind it. It's like this thread. "
Heh. I hope I'm alive to see the day when every community is like that, when homophobes are the ones who have to live in the closet, in constant fear of society's disgust.
" @BlackJedi: I know, it's so passe, isn't it? Still, if you have any books on tort law knocking around you can look it up in there too. You could even head on out to a library. Go on, I'll wait. "
A lie easily disproved? That's simply a lack of effort, there. "
wiki? which anyone can edit? "
Oh, God. Don't start with this shit. How can you possibly justify your criticism of Wikipedia when you have yet to provide a single source for your arguments, save your own fucked-up mind?
" @BlackJedi: Sorry, I'm afraid I can't find anything. I have found that for example in Senegal, polygamy is both legal and quite common, but homosexuality is illegal. They must be very advanced to leapfrogged past that. So I'm afraid I'm going to want you to do it. Don't worry, I can wait for you. "
I could but, if you can't find it and I can I see no reason that you can't find it yourself. "
What does that even mean? "If you can't find it [...] I see no reason that you can't find it." Where is the logic in this sentence? And, if these mysterious pieces of credible evidence really do exist, why are you so loathe to advance your argument with them?
" @BlackJedi: Cite your source. Find me an example of a place with legal gay marriage where human animal marriage and polygamy have since become widespread as a result of that relaxation of the law. Then explain in what manner those things are harmful, citing appropriate social studies. I'll generously accept wikipedia links. "
I could explain that and waste time or you could look it up since you are a big researcher yourself. "
I was going to look up a facepalm pic, then I decided it wasn't worth it. Just thought I'd let you know. "
Thanks but its the truth. "
No... no, not so much, really. This concern is perfectly legitimate, given that, as I recall, the spark of this debate was your insistence that gay marriage legalization is a herald of bestial- and polygamous- marriage legalization. "
The spark in the debate was that it would never be legal in which case I debated it very well could. "
Well, anything COULD happen. Though, I imagine, if either of those things ever becomes legal, it will be because there has been a major revolution in popular thought regarding the topics. Who are we to say that, in 100 years, polygamists won't be fighting for marriage rights in the same way gays are now, or blacks did before them (that is to say, with decent people supporting them and bigots opposing them)?
" @BlackJedi: Cite your source. Find me an example of a place with legal gay marriage where human animal marriage and polygamy have since become widespread as a result of that relaxation of the law. Then explain in what manner those things are harmful, citing appropriate social studies. I'll generously accept wikipedia links. "
I could explain that and waste time or you could look it up since you are a big researcher yourself. "
I was going to look up a facepalm pic, then I decided it wasn't worth it. Just thought I'd let you know. "
Thanks but its the truth. "
No... no, not so much, really. This concern is perfectly legitimate, given that, as I recall, the spark of this debate was your insistence that gay marriage legalization is a herald of bestial- and polygamous- marriage legalization.
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