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@PenguinDust said:
" @JackLumber:  Yes, I don't accept that argument though in this case since these allegations are only applied to games.  Beauty contests, cheerleaders, Victoria Secret TV shows, etc...all have cultural acceptance and they in no way elevate anything.  If you want to travel down that very limiting view that any glorification of sexuality, male or female is bad then that's fine for you, but I don't see this representation as negative.   However, if you were to argue that there is too much of this particular portrayal in games and not enough realism to counter-balance the fantasy imagery then I would agree.  But, still I don't know how times I've heard the outrage from even those depictions.  As game developers travel farther into controversial areas, the more resistance they encounter.   It's easier to dismiss the over-the-top jiggles of DOA and the sculpted shirtless form of Kratos than it is a pseudo-lesbian encounter in Mass Effect which is why those depictions draw more ire.  I wonder how many people are confused by what they feel when seeing Bayonetta and are therefore angered by the rendering.  Personally, I don't think anything should be censored and if game makers want to continue creating games with pretty women and beefy men then that's fine with me. "
I would never argue that glorification of sexuality is inherently bad, but glorifying certain aspects of it are bad. The problem comes when you make it a one way street, just women pleasing men, purely physically, and for no other reason than because that's what men desire (i'm saying thats the subtext, not the context). There's plenty of ways to counterbalance that. Even doing the same thing to men, showing it from a female point of view, would be better. 
 
And I'm not trying to make any broad statements about video games in general here, nor do I think the game should be censored. I'm just expressing my disapproval.
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@SeriouslyNow said:

" @JackLumber said:

" @PenguinDust said:

" Not at all.  I'll never understand why people get so uptight by a little sexuality in games but freely support the evisceration, decapitation and disembowelment of others with fervor.   "

It's not the fact that it has "a little sexuality", its that it has a whole lot of misogyny. And it glamorizes it. I'll be the last person to say that there's anything wrong with having sex in video games, if anything we need more of it, but it's all about how its handled. Depicting sexuality in a way that reduces women to pure sexual objects is just wrong, and trying to make it look cool like the game does just validates the misogynistic male fantasy on display. It's the male gaze at its worst ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_gaze#The_Male_Gaze_and_Feminist_theory) . Its The Jack Thompsons of the world say a lot of dumb shit about video games, but they'd be totally justified to attack this game. I'm not saying this game is going to make you go rape someone, but its reflective of and in support of a culture and a mindset which that sort of behavior is born out of. "
Whoah.  Did you just quote the male gaze?  For a game...really? 
 
No way jose is this related to an entirely fictional character who exists in a whacked out game where she is the most powerful witch out hunting for angels to kill.  Your point of view is incredibly inept if you think that the moral lolcats of this world would even bother to attack this game.  They wouldn't and you know why?  Because this game is upfront and honest with its overtly sexual and graphic titillation of images of power yet it has a strong female lead.  It's a crazy game, yes and it's sexual yes and it's stupid yes but misogynist ABSOLUTELY NOT.  For something to be misogyny it has to show a female in such a way as to depict her to be hated or to have her character as having inflated aspects of her sexuality (titillating or otherwise) to be hateful.  The worst thing this lead character says is a reference to the SNL Cowbell sketch, as in "I've got a fever and the only cure is more dead angels".  That's ridiculous I grant you, but in no way does it connect with her feminine qualities nor does it depict her or any other women associated with her as stupid, evil or even mildly irritating (well maybe the latter if you concentrate too deeply on the dialogue and are bothered by ridiculous statements).  Her enemies are sometimes women and in fact her man raison d;etre is indeed a woman, but once again, none of the female leads are portrayed with any form of derogation.  The lead character is sexualised to the extreme but it's no worse than the "battle nuns" or indeed any of the bondage clad female forms in one of three factions in Brutal Legend.  
 
The kind of idiots who might attack this are the same people who inspired the album cover and song by one of my favourite all time comments on the ridiculousness of it all who reminded us to laugh all the way to "11". Spinal Tap with their album and self titled hit song "Smell the Glove" 
  Once we've lost the ability to laugh at ourselves or in this case, the 3D images of hyper reality and overt sexuality and violence, which reflect ourselves and our own limitations through the artists lense, then we may as well all give up and go home,    I mean you actually refered to Jack Thompson.  His campaigning was idiotic and decried his own personal issues which led to him being disbarred.  That's almost a funnier comment on this so called (non) issue than your reference to the male gaze.  Now, if you wouldn't mind I have to go put a tinfoil covered cucumber down my pants before I go on tour. "
Well, yeah. I think you can apply the male gaze to pretty much any visual art. Video games use similar techniques for visual storytelling to film, and as far as cutscenes are concerned, there's really no difference at all in how you analyze it.  Camera placement and movement, editing, mise en scene, etc, all those techniques apply just as much to video games as to film, at least in the cases where those choices have been made by the developer.
 
As for saying it's mysogynistic, I wasn't using the strict dictionary definition of the word. I was just going with the common use of the word (at least how I usually hear it thrown around). What I meant was that its displaying her as a sexual object. It has nothing to do with making her hateful. In fact, I think it's a lot worse to show a woman as an object of lust than an object of hatred. Ask anyone who's been raped or had someone very close to them be raped and they'll probably tell you the same thing. Validating a view of women as creatures who exist to serve male fantasies is just wrong. And its worth mentioning that that sort of thing usually happens in very subtle ways. Its usually entirely visual. The actual story of the game doesn't have anything to do with it. I think the context that it's put in can negate the problem (Brutal Legend does that for the most part. It's a comedic parody of old school heavy metal culture), but it can exist entirely independently of context.
 
Perhaps what this argument comes down to is whether or not you view the game's depiction of women as a tounge in cheek, jokey sort of thing, done on purpose for the sake of parody or what have you, or if you view it as a shameless attempt to appeal to a young male audience. Personally, it seems to me to be more of the latter. And even if that wasn't the intention, that seems to be the reaction. 
 
P.S. I wasn't really trying to refer to Jack Thompson, I was just using his name a shorthand for all the politicians and media figures who talk about the evils of video games and their detrimental effect on society and so on and so forth.
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@PenguinDust said:

" Not at all.  I'll never understand why people get so uptight by a little sexuality in games but freely support the evisceration, decapitation and disembowelment of others with fervor.   "

It's not the fact that it has "a little sexuality", its that it has a whole lot of misogyny. And it glamorizes it. I'll be the last person to say that there's anything wrong with having sex in video games, if anything we need more of it, but it's all about how its handled. Depicting sexuality in a way that reduces women to pure sexual objects is just wrong, and trying to make it look cool like the game does just validates the misogynistic male fantasy on display. It's the male gaze at its worst (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_gaze#The_Male_Gaze_and_Feminist_theory) . Its The Jack Thompsons of the world say a lot of dumb shit about video games, but they'd be totally justified to attack this game. I'm not saying this game is going to make you go rape someone, but its reflective of and in support of a culture and a mindset which that sort of behavior is born out of.
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#4  Edited By JackLumber

Dude, where have you been? How did you not know any of those things? And it's not directed by Jerry Bruckheimer, he's producing it. To my knowledge he's never directed anything. Mike Newell (of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire fame) is directing it.

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Is there an easy way to search for friends on Giant Bomb? I want to add some of my friends who use the site, but I can't seem to add anyone without finding a post or something and getting to their profile through that. Isn't there just a way to search for a username? This is very very frustrating.

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I think Warrior Within was underrated. A lot of people didn't seem to like it (I didn't play Sands of Time though), at least not as much as the other ones, but I personally loved it. Particularly the sections of the game with the rotating blades and whatnot in the hallways. Using the sands of time helped you get through them, but you could always pull it off without it, and the feeling of managing to perfectly run through one of those in one go was incredible.  

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Man, Ben Button is so overrated.

Anyway, a few of mine:

Grace is Gone: Its about a man who's wife is killed in Iraq and who then spends the whole movie trying to come to grips with it so that he can finally break the news to his two daughters. It's a pretty simple movie, but the scene where he finally tells them is super effective and really emotional.

Forrest Gump: I'm not entirely sure why, but everytime I watch it and it gets to the scene where he's talking to the grave, lets just say it suddenly gets way too dusty in the room.

Pan's Labrynth: The end.

Grave of the Fireflies: Its an animated movie about two kids in the aftermath of Hiroshima. Very good.

It's a Wonderful Life: Not really a tear jerker, but very moving.