@sto_ln: I don't blame your personal stance but I definitely still think that the "protect yourself" stance as a nonvictim in the wake of a movement that revealed that shitty practices against women is widespread as all hell feels like the wrong approach.
there's no easy absolutely moral option here. I'm not trying or attempting to budge you but it's definitely worth thinking about our place in this movement. Is it a good thing that, as response to abusers and harrassers, we have more people distancing themselves from women when they're the ones that are being harassed? Especially in the work force, women are going to be hurt from rising in positions when everyone is feeling awkward and nervous about being accused. And I feel like the fear that someone is going to accuse you shouldn't be a fear when you're actually not being shitty, and if the main piece of information that a guy takes is that they MIGHT get falsely accused (and thereby being nervous about themselves being accused) then it sounds like there's a lot of doubt in the validity of it all.
There are parts of the ninja discussion that feels gross to watch. Some people are likening it to the metoo movement making it less comfortable for men to be alone with a women for fear of allegations. All that does is make it harder for women to move up in the industry and people are saying its justified as if we should blame women being sexually harassed and having that pointed out. not being able to move up and form professional relationships for fear of a sexual harassment allegation is not how you help the overlying issue, making sure you treat all women with respect IS the solution to less allegations.
Same for ninja. He should be doing more to police bad behavior instead of punishing women for sexist behavior perpetrated against them.
At the same time, while that's what I think would be an action in better faith I'm less mad at him (frankly i don't care as much) and more mad at how this message is being used to justify a more systemic reaction to women's issues: "we should just avoid women because issues that affect them affect me to a lesser extent"
and yes, i will always be for defending women and people in minority groups who are "rude" when their livelihoods and very existence are being questioned and threatened. to ignore the history and power dynamics in play in circumstances like this one is being naive at the very best.
This I can agree with in general, but in this specific case, that's not the circumstance.
The person that you're implying was threatening and questioning Price's livelihood was also someone that has repeatedly praised her, this being an example. It's not reasonable to me to assume that he was trying to be condescending once you're aware of that fact.
While I sympathize with Price for thinking that comment was meant to be confrontational due to her ample previous experience with other comments that no doubt were, it was mistaken a perception this time.
I agree. Sadly I really don't think game devs are given enough validity in their expertise from their workplace. Or idk.
Who remembers this guy? I don't defend his comments literally at all. But I'm willing to bet that he had a lot of pent up shit because tyler1 wasn't just a very toxic guy in the past, he validated in many peoples minds that its okay to literally demonize and call to question riot devs expertise. its a nonstop thing that STILL happens.
To me, we're experiencing how easy it is for people to get fed up with the shit they get from fans on a daily basis that think they know whats best for the game with NO experience and we as a culture have no way to stop this or put people in their place. So we're going to see more women like price and men like this former rioter grow sensitive to people in their fanbase putting them on blast and making their livelihood seem like hell. I have to say, even whilst having a twitter I DOUBT that they asked for that sort of attention and have to just sit and deal with it or forego using social media the way they got to before their job.
@rasrimra: This is literally what the divide is. I don't think she was being a sexist for saying she feels talked down to and was angry about it. But no one will give that point credence if they disagree and then assumes its her that was being sexist for making a point. Frankly I think she was still rude but in context a lot of people can see why she got mad. Derior was more polite and I do think she should've been reprimanded. BUT he offered a suggestion as if it was a magical thing that no one thought of when, after you READ through her whole essay you realize her team ALREADY thought of, wasn't the case. They were hired to make the best writing possible in the context of accepting the living story model. I wish she'd said that instead of being rude but it very much sounds like, in her outburst, this was the kind of shit she deals with in a varying number of degrees and was fed up. If you perused the GW2 reddit you see a lot of people blaming the writers as if they have no brains and I can see how that all builds up someones headspace.
Look at any patch notes disccusion in a competitive game and ask yourself how a game dev handles the constant "this balance team doesn't know shit" comments before getting pissed. Like I said before though, his comment was more innocuous and unlike the patch note example, its much harder to see the context when you don't read her post fully and see how simplistic and full off assumptions the suggestion was. Any time you try to suggest something to a team of people you're saying you think you have the golden idea they didn't think of when in fact, most players won't have the grandiose knowledge they think they have about an issue in the way a developer will have, and that's a constant battle every community of an online game deals with.
This whole situation stinks. Most of the time when a dev hits a breaking point people in the fanbase are not at all understanding of the fact that a dev has a lot more data and experience and so backseat game design is practically insulting in the sheer waves that they'll experience it. Even if you disagree that her gender would make this issue even more magnified, she didn't have to be a girl to see how shitty a fanbase can treat its developers via social media. The side that defends her firing doesn't seem to get this context while the side that thinks it wasn't necessary, like me, SEES how rude her comments were but can also see how easy it is to get mad when their expertise in writing is constantly called in to question
@sciential: "When KT asks "how does this make us look?" the answer is "bad" not because most consumers think it is bad"
Proof? You can't pretend to admit that a lesser game was localized because of haters after already admitting the quality in the game wasn't there. Maybe consumers thought it was bad. Most other games that have criticisms like DOA did in terms of representation and sexualization do fine because consumers like the game still, right? You're selectively applying when the social opinions of a group affect sales, and when to judge why a company does what it does. The easier answer can just be, as always, the market has dictated what should be imported. The social implications are always useful and informative to look at but the double standard here is silly
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