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Arkthemaniac said:

"Hamz said:
"Michael Bay is only good at action scenes. Everything else he sort of struggles at."
Like telling a story?"

Don't forget developing characters who I don't end up hating in the end.

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The Rock was a great film, everything else he has put out is complete shit.

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LiquidPrince said:

"MB said:
"Pearl Harbor was possibly the worst WWII movie I've ever seen...and the only thing worse than Afleck's acting was the writing. I think the Tomatometer is a good representation of the quality of this flick.

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The tomatometer is not an accurate representation of any good movie. Some completley bullshit movies are rated so high it's unbelievable yet some amazing movies are rated terribly low. Not Pearl Harbor specifically, but others. Most critics are snobby idiots. When a movie is good, you don't need for others to confirm it for you. I know people who are crazy about Pearl Harbor."

CONGRATS! you've officially mastered the definition of an "opinion". :|

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Meowayne said:

"TeflonBilly said:
You can't expect him to wring wrought melodrama and serious messages out of that.
Er- The melodrama and "messages" (HE WENT THERE.) are part of what made Transformers so horrible. : /"

Sorry, I didn't articulate myself to well. Kinda sick and woozy :(
What I meant is that the only gravitas I could see coming from a Transfomers flick would be Prime dying (Which was devastating as a kid, hell I still feel it in the pit of my stomach when I look back to kid me watching the REAL Transfomers flick as a kid) and that would be only after introducing Prime as the noble character he was until his death in the original movie. It's hard to get that manlove for Prime going when Bernie Mac has more lines than him when he sells Bumblebee at the start of the flick.

I was trying to answer your post which I wasn't sure if it was aimed at me or not about hardcore Transfomers fans.
I'm not one of those who feel we should've seen Orion Pax or were outraged that Megatron didn't transform into a tiny gun (Though I felt it really unnessecary to stunt cast Hugo Weaving as Megatron. Sure he's awesome, but you have Frank Welker sitting on the sidelines ready to do a better job for less money.
I can't imagine that "the voice of Hugo Weaving" put enough butts in the seat to warrant that decision)
I was trying to say that I didn't expect anything with gravitas like Schindler's List, but I was expecting a Transformers film.

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Meowayne said:

" Damn, was that movie bad. Good effects, tho. : /"

And what exactly was so bad about it?

pause422 said:

"Montage of Epicness? A montage of movies made by someone such as Michael Bay is more correctly named "Montage of shit"."

Right...

forestofdeath said:

"LiquidPrince said:
"MB said:
"Pearl Harbor was possibly the worst WWII movie I've ever seen...and the only thing worse than Afleck's acting was the writing. I think the Tomatometer is a good representation of the quality of this flick."
The tomatometer is not an accurate representation of any good movie. Some completley bullshit movies are rated so high it's unbelievable yet some amazing movies are rated terribly low. Not Pearl Harbor specifically, but others. Most critics are snobby idiots. When a movie is good, you don't need for others to confirm it for you. I know people who are crazy about Pearl Harbor."
CONGRATS! you've officially mastered the definition of an "opinion". :|"

I never said it wasn't an opinion. The point of that was to say that you don't need someone else to help you feel better about your opinion. If you like something, then you like it. If you only like something because other people like it, then your a tool.

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I never understand why he gets so much hate. He makes popcorn flicks. So what? That's all most film is anyways. Just a way to kill a couple hours and braincells.

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Twenty seconds in, I knew what to expect. Thirty five seconds in, I recognized what I was watching. Fifty seconds in, I expected a obvious build up. One minute ten, I breathed out, at familiar faces. One minute twenty five, the music hits those cords, I'm riding high. Minute fifty, past moments bubble up. By the two minute mark, I've stopped breathing. Just staring, grinning...

Great post! I love montages like that. But, I will only watch it 20 more times. : D

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Huh, my post got deleted. I'll try being less inflammatory.
As someone who loves cartoons, most cartoons are terrible. From an artistic standpoint, they're horribly cheesy. The writing is atrocious and the animation is even more sparse than anime, except without the richly detailed backgrounds. The Transformers movie is great precisely because it distances itself from the source material.

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The tomatometer is 100% correct. There is no "Right..." response to my post, thinking this montage is epic is as laughable as thinking the Jonas Brother's are a good band.

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pause422 said:

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The tomatometer is 100% correct. There is no "Right..." response to my post, thinking this montage is epic is as laughable as thinking the Jonas Brother's are a good band.
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In your opinion.

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The only think Michael Bay deserves is a swift kick to the nuts.

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I 100% agree with MB on this thread. Michael Bay has only served to milk the cash cow and butcher great series and events. I didn't watch the Transformers series as a kid, but I got sick of its horrible writing and hammy acting. Sure, some of the action scenes were cool, but it got really tiring by the end. And, yes, Pearl Harbor is up there with some of the worst movies I have ever seen. Don't forget The Island!

Ugh, these are some bad films. And the Editor is a lot different than the Director, but I think that issue has been resolved by now.

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Milkman said:

"The only think Michael Bay deserves is a swift kick to the nuts."

Right, because you're jealous right?

RHCPfan24 said:

"I 100% agree with MB on this thread. Michael Bay has only served to milk the cash cow and butcher great series and events. I didn't watch the Transformers series as a kid, but I got sick of its horrible writing and hammy acting. Sure, some of the action scenes were cool, but it got really tiring by the end. And, yes, Pearl Harbor is up there with some of the worst movies I have ever seen. Don't forget The Island!Ugh, these are some bad films. And the Editor is a lot different than the Director, but I think that issue has been resolved by now. "

I don't understand what you guys want from him... He is a DIRECTOR... Not a screenplay writer... He takes what you guys apparently thought were bad scripts and made them into epic movies that are obviously worth recognition.

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LiquidPrince said:

RHCPfan24 said:
"I 100% agree with MB on this thread. Michael Bay has only served to milk the cash cow and butcher great series and events. I didn't watch the Transformers series as a kid, but I got sick of its horrible writing and hammy acting. Sure, some of the action scenes were cool, but it got really tiring by the end. And, yes, Pearl Harbor is up there with some of the worst movies I have ever seen. Don't forget The Island!Ugh, these are some bad films. And the Editor is a lot different than the Director, but I think that issue has been resolved by now. "
I don't understand what you guys want from him... He is a DIRECTOR... Not a screenplay writer... He takes what you guys apparently thought were bad scripts and made them into epic movies that are obviously worth recognition. "

Yes, but the director is in charge of bringing one of the main aspects to the movie: the soul. That is a quality all of his films lack.

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LiquidPrince said:

"Milkman said:
"The only think Michael Bay deserves is a swift kick to the nuts."
Right, because you're jealous right?

RHCPfan24 said:
"I 100% agree with MB on this thread. Michael Bay has only served to milk the cash cow and butcher great series and events. I didn't watch the Transformers series as a kid, but I got sick of its horrible writing and hammy acting. Sure, some of the action scenes were cool, but it got really tiring by the end. And, yes, Pearl Harbor is up there with some of the worst movies I have ever seen. Don't forget The Island!Ugh, these are some bad films. And the Editor is a lot different than the Director, but I think that issue has been resolved by now. "
I don't understand what you guys want from him... He is a DIRECTOR... Not a screenplay writer... He takes what you guys apparently thought were bad scripts and made them into epic movies that are obviously worth recognition. "

There are such things as, you know, GOOD directors. Directors who have a brain...

And how the fuck am I jealous?

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RHCPfan24 said:

"LiquidPrince said:
RHCPfan24 said:
"I 100% agree with MB on this thread. Michael Bay has only served to milk the cash cow and butcher great series and events. I didn't watch the Transformers series as a kid, but I got sick of its horrible writing and hammy acting. Sure, some of the action scenes were cool, but it got really tiring by the end. And, yes, Pearl Harbor is up there with some of the worst movies I have ever seen. Don't forget The Island!Ugh, these are some bad films. And the Editor is a lot different than the Director, but I think that issue has been resolved by now. "
I don't understand what you guys want from him... He is a DIRECTOR... Not a screenplay writer... He takes what you guys apparently thought were bad scripts and made them into epic movies that are obviously worth recognition. "
Yes, but the director is in charge of bringing one of the main aspects to the movie: the soul. That is a quality all of his films lack."

That's basically a way of saying, we have nothing actually on the director himself so we're going to complain about something intangible. If you don't like the actors, that is a different story. If you don't like the story that is a different case. But Michael Bay does what he is supposed to do, very well. All his movies, even the ones with dumb concepts end up being huge bombastic summer blockbusters that gross incredibly high.

Milkman said:

"There are such things as, you know, GOOD directors. Directors who have a brain..."

Right because this complaint makes total sense.

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LiquidPrince said:

"RHCPfan24 said:
"LiquidPrince said:
RHCPfan24 said:
"I 100% agree with MB on this thread. Michael Bay has only served to milk the cash cow and butcher great series and events. I didn't watch the Transformers series as a kid, but I got sick of its horrible writing and hammy acting. Sure, some of the action scenes were cool, but it got really tiring by the end. And, yes, Pearl Harbor is up there with some of the worst movies I have ever seen. Don't forget The Island!Ugh, these are some bad films. And the Editor is a lot different than the Director, but I think that issue has been resolved by now. "
I don't understand what you guys want from him... He is a DIRECTOR... Not a screenplay writer... He takes what you guys apparently thought were bad scripts and made them into epic movies that are obviously worth recognition. "
Yes, but the director is in charge of bringing one of the main aspects to the movie: the soul. That is a quality all of his films lack."
That's basically a way of saying, we have nothing actually on the director himself so we're going to complain about something intangible. If you don't like the actors, that is a different story. If you don't like the story that is a different case. But Michael Bay does what he is supposed to do, very well. All his movies, even the ones with dumb concepts end up being huge bombastic summer blockbusters that gross incredibly high.

Well, the actors are mixed. Shia LeBouf has been this kid that has been in the kid's spotlight for the majority of my life and it is maddening. I think he is a very bad actor and all he does is overreact and scream "oh shit!" in a way that fits the PG-13 bill and makes teens horny. Megan Fox is a hot babe but a terrible actress, sorry to say. Jon Voight was a great actor, back in the Midnight Cowboy days, but now he is more concerned on a paycheck than anything else, sort of like Nicolas Cage.

And the screenwriters for this movie did The Island but no other Bay movies, which brings me back on topic to say that are all of Bay's movies like this because of the extra elements? It has an impact, yes, but the ultimate soul of the movie is nonexistent because he really isn't a good director. Sure, he makes a payday, but when you compare his "excellence" to visionaries like Coppola, Scorcese, Spielberg, Ridley, Tarantino, (I'm coming back to Earth now) and more such as Paul Greengrass, Guillermo del Toro, and Alfonso Cuaron, not to even mention the Wachowski brothers for the first Matrix and David Fincher for Fight Club, you see an amazing mix of entertainment and action with great storytelling and a palpable soul that feels real. Comparing any of the movies by these directors, even the lesser ones, not to mention many more of the type I failed to mention, to Bay's work makes it seem childish at best, disgraceful at worst.

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RHCPfan24 said:

" Well, the actors are mixed. Shia LeBouf has been this kid that has been in the kid's spotlight for the majority of my life and it is maddening. I think he is a very bad actor and all he does is overreact and scream "oh shit!" in a way that fits the PG-13 bill and makes teens horny. Megan Fox is a hot babe but a terrible actress, sorry to say. Jon Voight was a great actor, back in the Midnight Cowboy days, but now he is more concerned on a paycheck than anything else, sort of like Nicolas Cage. And the screenwriters for this movie did The Island but no other Bay movies, which brings me back on topic to say that are all of Bay's movies like this because of the extra elements? It has an impact, yes, but the ultimate soul of the movie is nonexistent because he really isn't a good director. Sure, he makes a payday, but when you compare his "excellence" to visionaries like Coppola, Scorcese, Spielberg, Ridley, Tarantino, (I'm coming back to Earth now) and more such as Paul Greengrass, Guillermo del Toro, and Alfonso Cuaron, not to even mention the Wachowski brothers for the first Matrix and David Fincher for Fight Club, you see an amazing mix of entertainment and action with great storytelling and a palpable soul that feels real. Comparing any of the movies by these directors, even the lesser ones, not to mention many more of the type I failed to mention, to Bay's work makes it seem childish at best, disgraceful at worst."

I totally disagree with you on Shia being a bad actor. He is one of my favorites. We apparently have different criteria about what makes a good actor, but if you watch Eagle Eye (even if you didn't like the movie) the scene where Shia's character cries after finding out his brother died was heart wrenching. Any actor that can do an emotional scene and have it look realistic and unforced has chops, and Shia can do that plus he can be funny or any other emotion. In every movie, he fits the role, and acts in a completley new way. Megan Fox, isn't horrible, but she just isn't exceptional. She fulfills her role as best as it needs to be done, and I don't even think she's that bad.

I assume you're one of those people who loved No Country for Old Men because it was so "deep..." Or Watchmen, for similar reasons. Those are your type of movies right? The faux-philosophical movies.

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Liquid, just because a movie makes money doesn't mean it is any good. One of my absolute favorite movies of all time, Memento, grossed about 10 million dollars less than Disaster Movie, #19 on IMDB's bottom 100.

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You can't really compare No Country For Old Men and Pearl Harbor. No Country is practically universally loved compared to the travesty of filmmaking that was Pearl Harbor. No Country won Oscars for Best Director, Best Film, Best Editor, Best Screenplay, and Best Supporting Actor...Pearl Harbor won an Oscar for sound. Yeah.

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BoG said:

"Liquid, just because a movie makes money doesn't mean it is any good. One of my absolute favorite movies of all time, Memento, grossed about 10 million dollars less than Disaster Movie, #19 on IMDB's bottom 100. "

Were not talking about whether you think the movie itself is good, because that can have to do with stuff that is entirely unrelated to the director. We could have somene not like Shia, or think the story was bad, and that is the actors, and the screenwriters fault. If you didn't like Pearl Harbor, you probably didn't like the script or the acting, but that doesn't mean it wasn't well made on the directors part. All of Michael Bay's movies have spectacular cinematography, and I just don't understand on the random hate he gets, when most of the complaints don't even have to do with the role that the director plays.

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LiquidPrince said:

"BoG said:
"Liquid, just because a movie makes money doesn't mean it is any good. One of my absolute favorite movies of all time, Memento, grossed about 10 million dollars less than Disaster Movie, #19 on IMDB's bottom 100. "
Were not talking about whether you think the movie itself is good, because that can have to do with stuff that is entirely unrelated to the director. We could have somene not like Shia, or think the story was bad, and that is the actors, and the screenwriters fault. If you didn't like Pearl Harbor, you probably didn't like the script or the acting, but that doesn't mean it wasn't well made on the directors part. All of Michael Bay's movies have spectacular cinematography, and I just don't understand on the random hate he gets, when most of the complaints don't even have to do with the role that the director plays."

The director plays a huge part in making me think the movie is good. Many here have expressed that they actually liked the Rock, regardless of Bay or even Nic Cage being in the movie. It says something about Michael Bay that the overly melodramatic, hardly believable films he churns out make me want to vomit. As for the cinematography, I'd say some of some of it is grossly overdone.

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MB said:

"You can't really compare No Country For Old Men and Pearl Harbor. No Country is practically universally loved compared to the travesty of filmmaking that was Pearl Harbor. No Country won Oscars for Best Director, Best Film, Best Editor, Best Screenplay, and Best Supporting Actor...Pearl Harbor won an Oscar for sound. Yeah."

Slumdog Millionaire wiped the Oscars this year, so I assume the movie is suddenly one of the greatest movies around right? Critics and the academy always choose movies they think is "deep" which really agitates me, when half the time the movies are just a simple concept twirled and molded until they sound deep. The kind of stuff those movies remind me of is a movie I saw a while ago which was parodying movies that pretended to be philosophical and it went something like this:

A: Master, I think I'm ready to fight!
M: How can you be ready to fight, when you're not fighting to be ready?
A: Ohh that's so deep...

Obviously, not to that ridiculous extent but, most movies that end up winning awards are usually didactic and pedantic, and it pisses me off that so many people think those are amazing, just because they win awards. I'm not necessarily talking about No Country for Old Men, but just in general.

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BoG said:

"LiquidPrince said:
"BoG said:
"Liquid, just because a movie makes money doesn't mean it is any good. One of my absolute favorite movies of all time, Memento, grossed about 10 million dollars less than Disaster Movie, #19 on IMDB's bottom 100. "
Were not talking about whether you think the movie itself is good, because that can have to do with stuff that is entirely unrelated to the director. We could have somene not like Shia, or think the story was bad, and that is the actors, and the screenwriters fault. If you didn't like Pearl Harbor, you probably didn't like the script or the acting, but that doesn't mean it wasn't well made on the directors part. All of Michael Bay's movies have spectacular cinematography, and I just don't understand on the random hate he gets, when most of the complaints don't even have to do with the role that the director plays."
The director plays a huge part in making me think the movie is good. Many here have expressed that they actually liked the Rock, regardless of Bay or even Nic Cage being in the movie. It says something about Michael Bay that the overly melodramatic, hardly believable films he churns out make me want to vomit. As for the cinematography, I'd say some of some of it is grossly overdone."

I guess that's where are opinions differ. It may be overdone, but it's usually some of the most damn impressive stuff you'll see around.

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Liquid, there are many more elements of Slumdog that won it the award that have nothing to do with it being "deep." If the academy were running off of that standard, Donnie Darko would have swept the awards.

As for the opinion, well, I guess it can be opinion. Some people like there steak overdone too, but I like to be able to digest my steak, and my movies too.

Oh, and to further expand on my argument above, I'm holding Bay to the same standard I would any other director. We praise Hitchcock for everything about his movies, so why can't we criticize Bay for everything about them?

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BoG said:

"Liquid, there are many more elements of Slumdog that won it the award that have nothing to do with it being "deep." If the academy were running off of that standard, Donnie Darko would have swept the awards.

As for the opinion, well, I guess it can be opinion. Some people like there steak overdone too, but I like to be able to digest my steak, and my movies too.
Oh, and to further expand on my argument above, I'm holding Bay to the same standard I would any other director. We praise Hitchcock for everything about his movies, so why can't we criticize Bay for everything about them?
"

I'm not saying there wasn't. That was an example. The point of this debate was that just because a movie is awarded something doesn't automatically make it a good movie. For the task that Michael Bay is to do, he performs admirably.

Again, I'm not saying you can't criticize him, and I'm not even saying all his movies are good, but I am saying he is a great director, that puts out movies that are thoroughly entertaining.

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LiquidPrince said:

"BoG said:
"Liquid, there are many more elements of Slumdog that won it the award that have nothing to do with it being "deep." If the academy were running off of that standard, Donnie Darko would have swept the awards."
I'm not saying there wasn't. That was an example. The point of this debate was that just because a movie is awarded something doesn't automatically make it a good movie. For the task that Michael Bay is to do, he performs admirably."

I would not in 100,000,000 years call the insulting debauchery that is Pearl Harbor admirable.

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BoG said:

"LiquidPrince said:
"BoG said:
"Liquid, there are many more elements of Slumdog that won it the award that have nothing to do with it being "deep." If the academy were running off of that standard, Donnie Darko would have swept the awards."
I'm not saying there wasn't. That was an example. The point of this debate was that just because a movie is awarded something doesn't automatically make it a good movie. For the task that Michael Bay is to do, he performs admirably."
I would not in 100,000,000 years call the insulting debauchery that is Pearl Harbor admirable."

But that's not a fault that you have with Bay, but the producers that told him to stick to the script made by the screen writers. Imagine it this way, the script was horrible right, imagine what another lesser director might have ended up making. It might not have even had the bombastic entertainment value of the action scenes.

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LiquidPrince said:

"BoG said:
"LiquidPrince said:
"BoG said:
"Liquid, there are many more elements of Slumdog that won it the award that have nothing to do with it being "deep." If the academy were running off of that standard, Donnie Darko would have swept the awards."
I'm not saying there wasn't. That was an example. The point of this debate was that just because a movie is awarded something doesn't automatically make it a good movie. For the task that Michael Bay is to do, he performs admirably."
I would not in 100,000,000 years call the insulting debauchery that is Pearl Harbor admirable."
But that's not a fault that you have with Bay, but the producers that told him to stick to the script made by the screen writers. Imagine it this way, the script was horrible right, imagine what another lesser director might have ended up making. It might not have even had the bombastic entertainment value of the action scenes."

Michael Bay was one of the producers. As for lesser directors... I can think of Uwe Boll, but that's about it.

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BoG said:

"Michael Bay was one of the producers. As for lesser directors... I can think of Uwe Boll, but that's about it."

See that is just unbelievably ridiculous. Uwe Boll in the same sentence as Michael Bay. You've got to be kidding me. This conversation pretty much ended with that ridiculous comparison.

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LiquidPrince said:

"
BoG said:
"Michael Bay was one of the producers. As for lesser directors... I can think of Uwe Boll, but that's about it."
See that is just unbelievably ridiculous. Uwe Boll in the same sentence as Michael Bay. You've got to be kidding me. This conversation pretty much ended with that ridiculous comparison."

Then I leave you with this, my final thoughts on Mr. Bay:

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BoG said:

"LiquidPrince said:
"
BoG said:
"Michael Bay was one of the producers. As for lesser directors... I can think of Uwe Boll, but that's about it."
See that is just unbelievably ridiculous. Uwe Boll in the same sentence as Michael Bay. You've got to be kidding me. This conversation pretty much ended with that ridiculous comparison."
Then I leave you with this, my last thoughts on Mr. Bay:"

Alrighty =)

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LiquidPrince said:

"
BoG said:
"Michael Bay was one of the producers. As for lesser directors... I can think of Uwe Boll, but that's about it."
See that is just unbelievably ridiculous. Uwe Boll in the same sentence as Michael Bay. You've got to be kidding me. This conversation pretty much ended with that ridiculous comparison."

What is the garbage you kept spouting for your last like, 10 posts? Its just a matter of opinion? So how is him saying what pretty much 99% of everyone that posting in this thread would probably agree to except you, that Boll is probably the only thing slightly worse than Michael Bay ridiculous enough for you to say " the conversation is over"? If its just a matter of opinion you shouldn't care so much that everyone else here finds Michael Bay to be utter shit just because you apparently love him and think hes an amazing director, something everyone else obviously finds laughable.

So apart from being hypocritical completely, you can go back on it if you feel like and call everything just an opinion...that's fine. However, I think most would call it different when nearly 100% of the thread and everyone everywhere else agrees the same...its like if you look up the game Big Riggs somewhere, if anyone tries to say its truly an entertaining and great game, you know not to listen to them. The same thing is happening here, everyone agrees to something that you don't and you seem to have a big problem with it. Its like when someone doesn't like a game that that you enjoy...the people that get so uptight and bothered about it I'll never understand.

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"Michael Bay uses waaay too much close-up shaky-cam.

Seriously, nobody can tell me exactly what went down event-for-event in that last half-hour long sequence of transformers.

Oh yeah, and he dresses like a douchebag."

I've never had a problem with shaky cam, and I could tell one hundred percent what was going on in the last scenes of Transformers.

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"LiquidPrince said:
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BoG said:
"Michael Bay was one of the producers. As for lesser directors... I can think of Uwe Boll, but that's about it."
See that is just unbelievably ridiculous. Uwe Boll in the same sentence as Michael Bay. You've got to be kidding me. This conversation pretty much ended with that ridiculous comparison."
What is the garbage you kept spouting for your last like, 10 posts? Its just a matter of opinion? So how is him saying what pretty much 99% of everyone that posting in this thread would probably agree to except you, that Boll is probably the only thing slightly worse than Michael Bay ridiculous enough for you to say " the conversation is over"? If its just a matter of opinion you shouldn't care so much that everyone else here finds Michael Bay to be utter shit just because you apparently love him and think hes an amazing director, something everyone else obviously finds laughable.

No, I never said it wasn't an opinion. And everyone has one, but I just can't over how someone can compare Uwe Boll to anyone really... Blood Rayne to Transformer... Really?

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Haha, here is the Urbandictionary.com definition for Michael Bay:

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Good stuff Liquid... don't let them get you down. I liked all those movies. I like my action movies being done over the top and edited well.

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He needs to work on how to tell a story well then he will be a great film maker

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Liquid, I agree with him. He's saying you're wrong to cite opinion, saying things like "He may be bad in your opinion, but he is still an amazing director." No, in our opinion, he isn't still an amazing director. You're twisting your own opinion to be fact.

I missed it earlier, but you were also incorrectly labelling a whole lot of movies as "deep" that nobody even considers deep. Those movies, like I <3 Huckabees, usually have a cult following, but their popularity is anything but widespread.

I guess what it all comes down the fact that you described the latest Street Fighter flick as "quite good."

EDIT: That Urban Dictionary entry brings up another good point: Bay is perhaps the worst producer in the industry today.

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MB said:

"Haha, here is the Urbandictionary.com definition for Michael Bay:"

So basically you joined up and posted your definition right =)

Claude said:

"Good stuff Liquid... don't let them get you down. I liked all those movies. I like my action movies being done over the top and edited well."

Thanks Claude =)

Great minds think alike!

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His movies are OK. There are a few borderline cheesy ones: Armageddon and Pearl Harbor, maybe even The Rock.

But I do enjoy some of his mindless, explosive action =DDD
Watching Bad Boys II at the theaters made my ears bleed. Soon after I grew deaf, I bought the DVD.

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BoG said:

"Liquid, I agree with him. He's saying you're wrong to cite opinion, saying things like "He may be bad in your opinion, but he is still an amazing director." No, in our opinion, he isn't still an amazing director. You're twisting your own opinion to be fact.
I missed it earlier, but you were also incorrectly labelling a whole lot of movies as "deep" that nobody even considers deep. Those movies, like I <3 Huckabees, usually have a cult following, but their popularity is anything but widespread.
I guess what it all comes down the fact that you described the latest Street Fighter flick as "quite good."

EDIT: That Urban Dictionary entry brings up another good point: Bay is perhaps the worst producer in the industry today.
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I never once twisted anything and tried to make it like fact. I merely pointed out your opinions, and you failed to point out mine, or understand that it is merely an opinion. Also, I love the herd mentality of how one person thinks that the Rock is considered a good movie and suddenly everyone is like "Except for the Rock, he sucks..." So everyone think his movies are bad but by pure coincidence its agreed upon being a good movie. Must have won an award or two. Oh my, herd mentality at its finest.

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LiquidPrince said:

"MB said:
"Haha, here is the Urbandictionary.com definition for Michael Bay:"
So basically you joined up and posted your definition right =)

Yeah, I signed up on UrbanDictionary under a random username and posted my opinion back in 2005 so I could use it against you in this thread in 2009.

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LiquidPrince said:

"BoG said:
"Liquid, I agree with him. He's saying you're wrong to cite opinion, saying things like "He may be bad in your opinion, but he is still an amazing director." No, in our opinion, he isn't still an amazing director. You're twisting your own opinion to be fact.
I missed it earlier, but you were also incorrectly labelling a whole lot of movies as "deep" that nobody even considers deep. Those movies, like I <3 Huckabees, usually have a cult following, but their popularity is anything but widespread.
I guess what it all comes down the fact that you described the latest Street Fighter flick as "quite good."

EDIT: That Urban Dictionary entry brings up another good point: Bay is perhaps the worst producer in the industry today.
"
I never once twisted anything and tried to make it like fact. I merely pointed out your opinions, and you failed to point out mine, or understand that it is merely an opinion. Also, I love the herd mentality of how one person thinks that the Rock is considered a good movie and suddenly everyone is like "Except for the Rock, he sucks..." So everyone think his movies are bad but by pure coincidence its agreed upon being a good movie. Must have won an award or two. Oh my, herd mentality at its finest."

Well, I never saw The Rock. I also find it humorous that you're painting us in this sort of "award show" light. I'll have you know I find those shows mostly laughable PR stunts. On occassion they pick a winner, as they did with Million Dollar Baby, but many people who dedicate their lives to film are quick to denounce such award shows.

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MB said:

"LiquidPrince said:
"MB said:
"Haha, here is the Urbandictionary.com definition for Michael Bay:"
So basically you joined up and posted your definition right =)
Yeah, I signed up on UrbanDictionary under a random username and posted my opinion back in 2005 so I could use it against you in this thread in 2009.

I was kidding. Hence the smiley... I posted actual thoughts on the subject above...

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Wait...so if someone doesn't like MIchael Bay, it's "herd mentality", but if someone likes him, then they have good taste in movies?

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MB said:

"Wait...so if someone doesn't like MIchael Bay, it's "herd mentality", but if someone likes them, then they have good taste in movies?"

No, not at all. But in this specific case you can see that it is herd mentality simply because he's just hated on, with 90% of the people hating on him having no real reason other then... "uhh his movies suck..." and then you ask why and they reply "uhh, because the story is something or other..." and once more you say, but the story isn't the directors job, he merely crafts the pre-written stort to his best potential, to which the reply usually is " MICHAEL BAY IS TEH SUXOR - LOOK AT TEH ROTTEN TOMATOES REVIEWZ hur hur..."

There are people who dislike him for real reasons that are legit, but most people don't like him just becasue others don't. It's the same as saying:

"The sequel sucked!"

"Why?"

"Just cause..."

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MB said:

"Wait...so if someone doesn't like MIchael Bay, it's "herd mentality", but if someone likes them, then they have good taste in movies?"

As do the 550 million dollars worth of people who payed to see Armageddon. Divide that by the cost of the average movie ticket, that's about 68 million people.

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BoG said:

"MB said:
"Wait...so if someone doesn't like MIchael Bay, it's "herd mentality", but if someone likes them, then they have good taste in movies?"
As do the 550 million dollars worth of people who payed to see it. Divide that by the cost of the average movie ticket, that's about 68 million people."

I don't get what you're saying. Is this agreeing with MB or me. Probably MB.

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