"Wait...so if someone doesn't like MIchael Bay, it's "herd mentality", but if someone likes them, then they have good taste in movies?"

"I don't see any of those people in this thread. I detailed the reasons why I think Michael Bay is a talentless hack, I don't really care what anyone else thinks about him. BoG gave some detailed reasons why he doesn't like Michael Bay either, as did several other users. I think the problem is you're so in love with Michael Bay you just can't accept that there are many people who legitimately dislike his work."

"MB said:

"Wait...so if someone doesn't like MIchael Bay, it's "herd mentality", but if someone likes them, then they have good taste in movies?"

Apparently yeah, I think so. Also, Liquid, maybe more than just one person agreed that "except The Rock" because it wasn't a completely god awful movie like every other one that hes made, and by far his the best one hes ever done? It has nothing to do with everyone jumping on to herd mentality. The only thing sure happening here Liquid is this- you want to try to make it sound like everyone that doesn't agree with you that Michael Bay is a great director who has done great films is wrong, and you are right. No matter how you try to spin it, this is exactly how you come off as in every single reply you've made to this thread. "Well the fact is he is a great director who has done great films, everyone who disagrees its just their opinion" That is exactly how you sound here, and its rather childish and completely stupid."

Once more, almost everyone here would probably agree that Uwe Boll and Michael Bay are nearly on the same level. Of course Uwel Boll is a tiny step below him, but barely at this point. Michael Bay honestly is the perfect fit to be side by side with Uwe Boll, as well as both of their horrible movies that they've made. Also, if you don't absolutely love him and every single film that hes done....once more you make no sense in your constant " I am right you are not" like arguments that never end just so you can try to get the last word. It makes pretty much zero sense.

"Once more, almost everyone here would probably agree that Uwe Boll and Michael Bay are nearly on the same level. Of course Uwel Boll is a tiny step below him, but barely at this point. Michael Bay honestly is the perfect fit to be side by side with Uwe Boll, as well as both of their horrible movies that they've made. Also, if you don't absolutely love him and every single film that hes done....once more you make no sense in your constant " I am right you are not" like arguments that never end just so you can try to get the last word. It makes pretty much zero sense."

"pause422 said:

"MB said:

"Wait...so if someone doesn't like MIchael Bay, it's "herd mentality", but if someone likes them, then they have good taste in movies?"

Apparently yeah, I think so. Also, Liquid, maybe more than just one person agreed that "except The Rock" because it wasn't a completely god awful movie like every other one that hes made, and by far his the best one hes ever done? It has nothing to do with everyone jumping on to herd mentality. The only thing sure happening here Liquid is this- you want to try to make it sound like everyone that doesn't agree with you that Michael Bay is a great director who has done great films is wrong, and you are right. No matter how you try to spin it, this is exactly how you come off as in every single reply you've made to this thread. "Well the fact is he is a great director who has done great films, everyone who disagrees its just their opinion" That is exactly how you sound here, and its rather childish and completely stupid."

No, see that's the way you're trying to spin it. I have given multiple legit reasons as how in my OPINION I think that Bay is a good director, and have been bombarded with stupid pictures, one of which said they didn't like him because of the way he dressed and comments that have nothing to do with what Bay's job really entails. I will not stop and say okay you guys are right, and simply join your herd, unless you could give me some legitimate reasons as to why he is so bad. Since you haven't done that, I cannot take you seriously. Some maybe instead of using your energy to try and sound condescending and pedantic, you could work towards actually contributing to this conversation as to how in your OPINION, you think Bay is bad, with maybe an example or two..."

Alright, on to Pearl Harbor. Yeah, it's agreed that the intro is pretty good, but then the rest of the movie is there to ruin it all. I haven't seen it in a while, but I remember Ben Affleck's worst performance ever, emotional scenes that made me want to puke, poor, overdone camerawork with overdone lighting effects. To top it all off, that whole drama with the guy dying and then not being dead and the dude marrying his girlfriend then dying...

All you have to do is accept the fact that everyone(more like, everybody here) doesn't agree with you...and deal with it and get over it.

Bad Boys - I liked it great movie. I saw it on the big screen and countless times elsewhere. Classic
The Rock- Great movie, I saw it on the big screen and have seen it again and again. Classic
Armageddon - Screw the haters, great flick. Not classic, but close.
Pearl Harbor...? Missed it.
Bad Boys 2 - Not as good as the first, but not bad.
The Island - I loved this movie... Why the hate? It was pretty cool, not as good as say "Gattaca", but more like "Soylent Green"... yeah like that.
Transformers - Touchy, touchy. I'm old and thought the cartoons were for children, but I appreciated their influence among the pop culture. I thought the movie was awesome... loved every minute of it. I saw it twice at the theater and countless times on tv. Classic. 

A pretty great directer and editor that's my opinion... not a bad resume. I didn't know he did all those movies until this thread.

"LiquidPrince said:

"MB said:

"Wait...so if someone doesn't like MIchael Bay, it's "herd mentality", but if someone likes them, then they have good taste in movies?"

No, not at all. But in this specific case you can see that it is herd mentality simply because he's just hated on, with 90% of the people hating on him having no real reason other then... "uhh his movies suck..." and then you ask why and they reply "uhh, because the story is something or other..." and once more you say, but the story isn't the directors job, he merely crafts the pre-written stort to his best potential, to which the reply usually is " MICHAEL BAY IS TEH SUXOR - LOOK AT TEH ROTTEN TOMATOES REVIEWZ hur hur..."There are people who dislike him for real reasons that are legit, but most people don't like him just becasue others don't. It's the same as saying: "The sequel sucked!" "Why?""Just cause...""

Alright. You've done it now. First of all, as I mentioned earlier, the director is the director, and therefore we place most of the blame on him if things don't turn out well. He plays a role in every aspect of making the film, inclusing writing. If the story is bad, we're going to blame Michael Bay, just as we praise Hitchcock for a brilliant story in Rear Window. We're treating him the same as any other director.

Now, don't even begin saying we haven't expressed legitimate reasons he is bad and you have. MB and many others have spoken volumes on why Transformers was no good, including overdone action scenes with ridiculous amounts of slowdown, too much lensflare, etc. It was full of dry characters like that token black dude and the Australian chick. The Transformers seem to be around merely to provide action, nothing more. It's a bit silly, and the whole movie takes itself way too seriously.

Alright, on to Pearl Harbor. Yeah, it's agreed that the intro is pretty good, but then the rest of the movie is there to ruin it all. I haven't seen it in a while, but I remember Ben Affleck's worst performance ever, emotional scenes that made me want to puke, poor, overdone camerawork with overdone lighting effects. To top it all off, that whole drama with the guy dying and then not being dead and the dude marrying his girlfriend then dying and then they name the kid after him... I was 11 years at the time, not old enough to really be exposed to film jerk culture, and I thought it was absolutely awful, if not radically insulting.

I'd discuss Armageddon, but you don't want me to go there.

Oh, and back on the "deep" movie point, I don't know why I missed mentioning The Island. A whole lot "deeper" than No Country for Old Men.

Oh, and anyone who liked the Legend of Chun Li? I don't think their opinion regarding film is legit. 

"

"pause422 said:

All you have to do is accept the fact that everyone(more like, everybody here) doesn't agree with you...and deal with it and get over it.

Yeah. It's like trying to convince a PS3 fanboy that the 360 version of a game is better. Oh wait..."

At least it wasn't trying to be a faux-philisophical piece of garbage like NCFOM..."

"LiquidPrince said:

"pause422 said:

"MB said:

"Wait...so if someone doesn't like MIchael Bay, it's "herd mentality", but if someone likes them, then they have good taste in movies?"

Apparently yeah, I think so. Also, Liquid, maybe more than just one person agreed that "except The Rock" because it wasn't a completely god awful movie like every other one that hes made, and by far his the best one hes ever done? It has nothing to do with everyone jumping on to herd mentality. The only thing sure happening here Liquid is this- you want to try to make it sound like everyone that doesn't agree with you that Michael Bay is a great director who has done great films is wrong, and you are right. No matter how you try to spin it, this is exactly how you come off as in every single reply you've made to this thread. "Well the fact is he is a great director who has done great films, everyone who disagrees its just their opinion" That is exactly how you sound here, and its rather childish and completely stupid."

No, see that's the way you're trying to spin it. I have given multiple legit reasons as how in my OPINION I think that Bay is a good director, and have been bombarded with stupid pictures, one of which said they didn't like him because of the way he dressed and comments that have nothing to do with what Bay's job really entails. I will not stop and say okay you guys are right, and simply join your herd, unless you could give me some legitimate reasons as to why he is so bad. Since you haven't done that, I cannot take you seriously. Some maybe instead of using your energy to try and sound condescending and pedantic, you could work towards actually contributing to this conversation as to how in your OPINION, you think Bay is bad, with maybe an example or two..."

As I stated, that is exactly how you sound in this thread..as I'm sure others would completely agree with me here. I'm not trying to 'spin' anything. I have no reason to when you make yourself look the way you do by the replies you give. Lastly you say: "Unless you could give me some legitimate reasons as to why he is bad, I will not agree you guys are right and join the herd." Please tell me what sense this makes? Who the hell said anyone is trying to "convert" your opinion to get you to suddenly agree with what you obviously disagree with? No one is ever expected to do that...saying such a stupid thing makes absolutely no sense. All you have to do is accept the fact that everyone(more like, everybody here) doesn't agree with you...and deal with it and get over it.I've really rarely heard such nonsense such as waiting for a good enough counter argument to suddenly just concede and agree to what you just obviously don't agree with....."

"LiquidPrince said:

At least it wasn't trying to be a faux-philisophical piece of garbage like NCFOM..."

So...you liked the Chun-Li movie but thought No Country For Old Men was garbage? Dude...it's time to accept that your taste in film is pretty much directly opposite of almost anyone else in the world. That's cool, I mean you can like what you like, but don't try to paint all of the rest of us as complete idiots for liking No Country For Old Men and not Michael Bay's movies."

"Claude said:

"Armageddon - Screw the haters, great flick. Not classic, but close."

Claude, I like you, I really do... But gosh do I hate Armageddon. As I said earlier, don't get me started. When I saw it, I don't think I stopped criticizing every aspect of it for three days straight. Only other movie I've ever hated on so much was Van Helsing."

I'm sorry Liquid, but you're more vague than I. Your recycled "Michael Bay is good at what he does" argument is more vague than my statement the characters in Transformers are bland and the slowdown is overused.  The fact of the matter is that Bay tries much too hard in his films to give them a message, and shove poor characters down my throat. That Australian girl and token got more screen time than Starscream, whose name I think is mentioned once in the entire film. That's Starscream, Megatron's second in command, and he's treated as less of a character than all of those boring humans. If you can defend why you like it, then go ahead and do it. Why is all that slowdown good, why is it good that Bay is, as Snipzor said, "hypersexualizing children's series with 99% CG scenes and annoying ass slow motion scenes where the sun is ALWAYS conveniently placed behind the character." Why is it good that these awful characterizations are being shoved down our throats? Megan Fox's appeal as a character amounts to her good looks.

NCFOM was a pedantic and didactic piece of crap that couldn't entertain even if it was directed by Bay. Chun-Li never set out to be a "deep" movie, which is why you don't compare it in that sense..."

"MB said:

"LiquidPrince said:

At least it wasn't trying to be a faux-philisophical piece of garbage like NCFOM..."

So...you liked the Chun-Li movie but thought No Country For Old Men was garbage? Dude...it's time to accept that your taste in film is pretty much directly opposite of almost anyone else in the world. That's cool, I mean you can like what you like, but don't try to paint all of the rest of us as complete idiots for liking No Country For Old Men and not Michael Bay's movies."

NO... Chun-Li did what it tried to do well enough where as NCFOM was a pedantic and didactic piece of crap that couldn't entertain even if it was directed by Bay. Chun-Li never set out to be a "deep" movie, which is why you don't compare it in that sense..."

The only film I remotely like and remember from Bay was The Rock. Wait... I guess I'm on the bandwagon.

Ouch, MB, low blow XD

But hey, that's what you get for talkin' trash about No Country. A far better movie than...that one kung-fu movie with that one sorta Asian chick.

 Comparing something like NCFOM to any Michael Bay film is utterly as laughable as saying something to the degree of "Well if it had this little improvement here Big Riggs could of been right up there with Forza in quality!""

"I'm sorry Liquid, but you're more vague than I. Your recycled "Michael Bay is good at what he does" argument is more vague than my statement the characters in Transformers are bland and the slowdown is overused.  The fact of the matter is that Bay tries much too hard in his films to give them a message, and shove poor characters down my throat. That Australian girl and token got more screen time than Starscream, whose name I think is mentioned once in the entire film. That's Starscream, Megatron's second in command, and he's treated as less of a character than all of those boring humans. If you can defend why you like it, then go ahead and do it. Why is all that slowdown good, why is it good that Bay is, as Snipzor said, "hypersexualizing children's series with 99% CG scenes and annoying ass slow motion scenes where the sun is ALWAYS conveniently placed behind the character." Why is it good that these awful characterizations are being shoved down our throats? Megan Fox's appeal as a character amounts to her good looks.

That "cheap shot" was a direct response to your cheap shot at me. I was only drawing from what you said, and you said Chun Li was a good movie. If there was anything more to your opinion about it then that, well I'm doing the same thing that you're doing to me.

"

"LiquidPrince said:

NCFOM was a pedantic and didactic piece of crap that couldn't entertain even if it was directed by Bay. Chun-Li never set out to be a "deep" movie, which is why you don't compare it in that sense..."

I hate to do this to you, but...







"

Maybe the movie was a milestone that exuded brilliance to you....however nice done CG is definitely NOT enough to make a good movie. There's one more thing to add to the incredibly stupid things I've seen you stated in the last 20 minutes.

Also, I'm wondering what NCFOM failed at so terribly that you keep bringing it up, that somehow, SF:TLOCL succeeded in.....it really is bothering me, I can't wait to hear this one.

"LiquidPrince said:

"MB said:

"LiquidPrince said:

At least it wasn't trying to be a faux-philisophical piece of garbage like NCFOM..."

So...you liked the Chun-Li movie but thought No Country For Old Men was garbage? Dude...it's time to accept that your taste in film is pretty much directly opposite of almost anyone else in the world. That's cool, I mean you can like what you like, but don't try to paint all of the rest of us as complete idiots for liking No Country For Old Men and not Michael Bay's movies."

NO... Chun-Li did what it tried to do well enough where as NCFOM was a pedantic and didactic piece of crap that couldn't entertain even if it was directed by Bay. Chun-Li never set out to be a "deep" movie, which is why you don't compare it in that sense..."

I love how you make your statements as if you're stating facts

"This proves what? I said for what Chun-Li had t work with, it did it's job. I wasn't trying to be a movie that would get an oscar nomination, nor could it ever, with the flimsy backstory it worked with. I never even said Chun-Li was a good movie. It was good for what it was trying to be. Do you get that? NCFOM failed at that."

"LiquidPrince said:

"This proves what? I said for what Chun-Li had t work with, it did it's job. I wasn't trying to be a movie that would get an oscar nomination, nor could it ever, with the flimsy backstory it worked with. I never even said Chun-Li was a good movie. It was good for what it was trying to be. Do you get that? NCFOM failed at that."

You're right, it didn't try to be an oscar winning movie, it tried to be an enjoyable martial arts experience...and it failed miserably at it."

"LiquidPrince said:

"MB said:

"LiquidPrince said:

NCFOM was a pedantic and didactic piece of crap that couldn't entertain even if it was directed by Bay. Chun-Li never set out to be a "deep" movie, which is why you don't compare it in that sense..."

I hate to do this to you, but..."

This proves what? I said for what Chun-Li had t work with, it did it's job. I wasn't trying to be a movie that would get an oscar nomination, nor could it ever, with the flimsy backstory it worked with. I never even said Chun-Li was a good movie. It was good for what it was trying to be. Do you get that? NCFOM failed at that."

What was it trying to be?

As for the three lines, I guess he was mentioned more than three times. I still recall that anytime he was mentioned, it was quick, and he was never "formally" introduced. The only Decepticon who was was Megatron.

As for the 99% CG, I quoted someone on the action scenes who I thought summed them up well. That doesn't apply to my argument about the humans, don't try and make it.

And finally, I know why you like Michael Bay. You're just as bad as he is when you describe his action scenes as exiding brilliance. It's not enough to make it a good movie, either. I wouldn't eat cow dung just because there were some skittles inside.

And you've still failed to acknowledge The Island and how deep it is.

"

My description just so happens to be the quintessential depiction of Michael Bay's work. My every account of his overdone scenes is comprehensive to it's very core, in contrast with your nebulous representations. It's my opinon, and my opinion epitomizes all opinion.

I think this topic has exhausted just about all usefulness. Some people like Michael Bay, most people do not. Time to move on.