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@hef said:

@cptpanda29: Gamegate startd over ethics in journalism and has been twisted and tied to every crazy person and asshole throwing death threats on twitter towards women in the gaming industry. It was about zoe quinn getting positive coverage for sex (which has been mostly debunked), her shutting down a competing game jam for female developers (where she received no profits) to promote her own through industry contacts. It was about IGF rigging what games won and a bunch of other instances of corruption that have been buried buy crazy assholes like this guy diverting attention.

A bunch of publishers put out basically the same article on the same day talking about "death of a gamer" and labeling everyone as misogynists. Then a bunch of losers started poising the well by sending death threats to women in the industry and that is the only thing the gaming press has latched on to.

This situation has spiraled out of control and turned into something that doesn't at all resemble what it was in the first place.

I just wish this whole thing would die already.

- The first use of #gamergate started with a link to a video with a cover image of Five Guys. It has never been seriously about journalism.

- Zoe came up with Rebel Jam after that whole Game_Jam fiasco several months ago. Pretty sure it came into existence well after the TFYC spat (which was literally a couple of dozen tweets in which she said "you know what is a much easier way of encouraging women to get into games? give them money to make games. don't create a bonkers convoluted contest to give your own team money to make a game").

- The allegations around Fish and the IGF are 1) based on stolen information and 2) completely nonsensical (they involve Fish somehow stacking the IGF with supporters in 2011 and then pulling the game at the last minute because it would have been too suspicious (or something??? I've never been exactly clear about why he is supposed to have done that bit honestly), then resubmitting it in 2012 when the alleged supporters were just in the regular pool of judges). (Ironically there were plenty of folks complaining about Fish's second inclusion in the IGF at the time. Most of them are the sorts of folks that GG has been gleefully railing against.)

- That's a really strange read on the "death of the gamer" articles. They largely are about how gaming is broader than stereotypes would indicate (ps to the jerks out there stop harassing our friends). There's nothing especially weird that several writers might come up with similar takes on it.

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Co-oping in Borderlands 1 was what got me to understand FPS KBAM controls, so I'd suggest that.

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#4  Edited By seasleepy
@gnoltac said:

Abso-effing-lotely false. As someone who has been around since the beginning, and honestly it's really offensive that people just throw this out there.

Hell, because people were fed up with this offensive strawmanning, pro-women charities have been given funds, female characters were introduced into video games and there was the whole NotYourShield by all the women and minorities who were sick of being called white male sexists.

I can't speak for everyone, but my personal problem is against the use of feminism as a shield for yellow journalism. Do I want more diversity in games? God yes, everyone is sick of the bald white male protagonist. But if one of the first articles after an exciting E3 demo is "Why was this character not a woman?", well I think that's just shitty journalism.

I'm guessing the charities you mean here are TFYC, which is a for-profit organization (the profits of the game will go to charity in part), and the female character is the one 4chan came up with whose shirt is a reference to a rape meme.

I found NotYourShield extremely ironic because while they may not be my shield (that's ok, I don't really need one), they're apparently certainly happy to be Gamergate's ("but we have ladies! and black people! and other minorities!").

I think asking "why wasn't this character a woman" is an interesting question so I kind of disagree with your assessment that it's yellow journalism. I also think it's weird that you're mad at them for supposedly harshing the hype from a marketing presentation.

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