All Systems Goku 15

It's on!

Best podcast is back babeeee

That week off was agonizing

Psyched that it´s back. Hoping that Jeff apparently being tired while recording won´t make it into a show where they are a bit bummed out like they were last episode.

The calm before the storm.

Hope Dan and Jeff had figured out that Vegeta isn’t Stone Cold, he is was and always will be Roddy Piper/Dean Ambrose

ASG is back! Bibidi-Babidi-Buu!

These weeks off have sucked, ended up going ahead into super myself now (hope they do that show as well).

I'm noticing that a lot of the stuff between Bulma and Future Trunks that Jeff and Dan find a little gross must be due to the US dub because there is nothing flirty or otherwise like that going on in the Japanese version.

"Piccolo smiles." Wouldve been funny, but this aint a smile

Edit: Also, Jeff "there's no scene of Vegeta going 'let him eat those androids and become as powerful as possible'" Actually there was exactly that

Why does Nicky Town sounds delicious, but Ginger Town doesn't?

Also, when did Chichi learn parkour?

Room of Spirit and Time is a much better name than Hyperbolic Time Chamber.

@nickfoley: She was a martial artist in OG Dragon Ball

that week off was too long of a wait

Jeff has Vegeta fully figured out.

Subs > dubs, especially when it comes to Cell:

Norio Wakamoto is a god.

I hope you watched Battle of Gods first at least?

Man I was synched up with them but now I'm on the last season of DBZ

Chichi was a martial artist in Dragon Ball.

Does Krillin not say "Cell I could smell you from a mile away" in Kai

She pals around with Goku and competed in the World Martial Arts Tournament in Dragon Ball.

That history mostly doesn't matter in DBZ, but it does get touched on with the tournament arc later on.

@lesca4: This hasn't happened yet for them, and it's one of the more hilarious Vegeta moments, so you might want to spoiler tag that

Really looking forward to their reaction to Cell's "Anus Tail"

BADMAN

@lesca4: You couldn't have just let Jeff have that?

Did they say something about having another week off with this next one? or would it be between the one after next week because of E3 stuff?

@cyberspacecat: I don't think they've mentioned anything. It seems like next Monday would probably be fine, but I'd expect there to be no episode the two weeks after that.

When the series is over I want a supercut of Jeff saying "check this shit out" laid over the video clips from the events in the show he is referring to.

I know what youre referring to but no, Vegeta literally mentions in these episodes, I believe when Piccolo is explaining, that "what you see as a threat we saiyans see as a challenge. I say let him absorb the androids"

I did not expect an episode this week...........nice.

Now I want to see this mailbag video!

Please nobody tell them that Super Saiyan Grade 2 is not the same as Super Saiyan 2.

I thought I’d post this question here as I’m guessing someone knows the answer!

Does anyone know why previous episodes are missing from the podcast feed? Not all of them, just random ones. I fell behind watching and wanted to catch up on episodes before listening and now I can’t seem to. Any ideas?

@something_clevar: Luckily they don't start using numbers or actual labels/titles for transformations beyond supersaiyan in Kai until way later in the Buu Saga when Goku is explaining the different transformations to Buu to waste time. In the Cell saga it's just like "check out *this* transformation" and they don't use any of the 800 different titles that exist in the wiki that I assume came from the manga or fan translations (like "Full Power Super Saiyan" which I'm quite sure is literally not once uttered in Kai).

Up until super saiyan 3 is discovered they basically just completely forget about the bulky useless transformation and refer to super saiyan 2 proper as "beyond super saiyan" - at least that's how I recall them referring to the transformation as achieved by gohan, goku, and vegeta.

@hallben: They're all present and accounted for on the Podcast Addiction Android app. Make sure that you aren't missing them due to a weird setting in your app (like not showing them in publication order, or hiding episodes for whatever reason). Otherwise try unsubscribing from the ASG feed and then adding it back.

@njn: All my settings seemed good so I unsubbed and resubbed and that fixed it. Thanks for the assist!

@njn: I still use the term "USSJ Trunks" to refer to Trunks in his Broly mode.

Oh my bad. I totally missed that then. Carry on :)

I consider the Android/Cell saga the same arc.

@wiqidbritt: they are the same arc, Toriyama only changed the villains because his editor and previous editor keep giving him crap about the androids and bug cell saying they were lame and not threatening.

In the japanese version Goku says that he should train because if Vegeta doesn't stand a chance, he sure as hell doesn't either.

I think during this stretch of episodes the power ranking is Piccolo > Trunks > Vegeta > Goku. Maybe Vegeta is slightly more powerful than Trunks now?

@onemanarmyy: I would say there is a pretty low chance Trunks is stronger than Vegeta considering he was so surprised by how "well" he thought Vegeta was doing against #18 (and these androids are stronger than the ones in Trunks's future). Stronger than Goku is also highly unlikely considering there is no way Trunks trained over the three years the way Goku was able to do before the Androids showed up and this arc makes it clear that sparring partners are the way to go and Trunks has no one in his future.

@darthdrekk Love them or hate them, those editors is what forces Toriyama to come up with all these classic moments we think of today. If no1 pushed him, he was satisfied with just Android 19 & 20.

@twoarmed: @onemanarmyy:

I think the power rankings currently are basically just Piccolo > Vegeta > Goku = Trunks. Recall that Goku spent much of his 3 years training with unfused Piccolo and weak-ass Gohan in base form and probably didn't actually outpace Trunks by that much (we can infer that the strength of your sparring partner matters from the fact that Goku's first objective in the room of spirit and time is to make Gohan a supersaiyan so they can spar while transformed) - presumably Trunks went back to the future and resumed his role as a freedom fighter sparring with the Androids to defend humans whenever he can. He mentions at one point that he is nearly on equal footing with his timeline's Androids (just not able to actually defeat them even one-on-one), so we can probably assume that he is in pretty much continual conflict with them, just based on Trunks' nature.

I think from Trunks being so impressed with Vegeta's power when he sees him fighting, and Goku clearly stating that if Vegeta can't get it done then he has no chance, we can probably assume that Vegeta is the strongest Saiyan (by some small margin) and that Goku and Trunks are probably on approximately equal footing - or that if there is a power difference between them it is academic due to how badly they are outstripped by the Androids (and not measurable since we do not see them actually fight all-out at this stage).

I'm assuming this wasn't in Kai, pretty cool scene.

I rate this episode 5 out of 7 dragonballs.

@njn: I know Toriyama added the numbers retroactively. What I'm worried about is that Dan and Jeff will assume Vegeta was the first to go SS2, and someone will try to be helpful and be like, "Um, actually, it's not SS2 yet :)", which will discourage speculation and dull the impact of the reveal of Gohan's new form.