Endurance Run: Persona 4 - Part 125

This battle proves exactly why it would be better to have Teddy instead of Chie in boss fights.  Teddy has superior heal similar to Yukiko and has better ice spells than Chie (who pretty much is a purely physical fighter).  You can switch off between Yukiko and Teddy to heal, and both could be dedicated to healing if situation is dire (they can both resurrect too if one happens to die).  Now, you have to rely on Yukiko only and sacrifice Charlie's turn to heal if necessary.  This is why I prefer to have all of my party members around the same level in RPG so I'd have more options, rather than rely on the same party configuration.
 
Too bad it's kind of moot now since Teddy is 20+ levels below everyone else.  So...yeah, Chie is kind of a dead weight while sucking up all your items.

Awww, they were so close.  Yeah, a few more levels of grinding is an option (getting up to mediarahan with Yukiko is pretty much a boss-killer.)  It's a shame the B-Team is so low.  Teddie gets really good at this point, what with his party attack and defense buffs.  And this is why Yosuke's party hit/evade would have been nice.  It would have killed that "miss every other turn" thing right quick.  With it gone, I'd use Charlie's hit/evade debuffer as often as you can afford.
 
Well, maybe get in 20-30 minutes of grinding before the boss fight.  Boss episodes tend to be 80 minutes anyway.

Bad luck guys, don't give up! 
Use Mediarahan with Charlie, it heals ALL your HP.  Try some stat buff/debuffs to lower his attack or raise your defense, and gain a couple levels. Now that you know what his attacks are like you should be fine the second time. 
 
Also this is what you get for using your B Team too much.

They should grind it out a little bit. Yukiko learns mediarahan in few levels and that will make staying alive alot easier.

The main reason Chie was mostly useless in this fight is because she'd been swapped out several times, and is a lower level than everyone else. I'm fairly sure after high counter (which DOES stack, I've had her with a 50% counter rate, fights gets hilarious against any enemy that likes physical attacks), she gets a heavy vs 1 enemy physical attack, which tied in with power charge, will deal some substantial damage.
 
Secondly, you're kinda reaping what you sowed when you decided to not take Yosuke's last spell (the one that raises the groups accuracy and evasion), which is a mainstay ability for most players, as you missed quite a lot of attacks and you could evade a solid number of this boss' more powerful attacks. If you have any items or spells that improve evasion, be sure to use them on the Charlie to prevent him from being killed. Remember, since he has a healing persona, no other party member should be getting healed when everyone's injured, so make sure Charlie gets healed and then he can use that revival ability to instantly resurrect the others. It's why it's vital to always have several very different persona's on your choices (one physical, one lightning, one healing etc)
 
Lastly, as nice as two lots of absorb is, Black Frosts general stats are too low to be effective now. His magic is up to snuff, but endurance and luck are low, so perhaps Tam Lin may be a better candidate for receiving damage, generally any persona strong against what you suspect the atmosphere change has improved. You might want to make sure that if you've buffed Charlie up, remember that power/mind charge doesn't vanish until you've actually used it (even if it misses) so like when Yosuke was possessed, let the other party members try their abilites to narrow down the options, then make a choice at the time. This basically means you can ignore using fire or ice (or wind if Chie or Yukiko get possessed next time). Let's face it, the more damage you do in a short time, the more chance you have of survival.
 
Sorry for the long winded post, and I know a lot of people on here complain about any Persona players "stifling" your choices, but there are a few things that can greatly reduce the chance of dying again.

Since this boss's spells are super-strong during the Element Change:
Casting [Marakukaja] will raise your defense, you won't die from a single hit.
Casting [Masukukaja] will raise your Hit and Evade. You can dodge his spells and hit him every time.
Casting [Masukunda] will lower his Hit/Evade, so that's the same effect.
Doing lots of damage to the enemy is fine, but when they can kill you with one spell, it's best to consider buffing the party.

" I hope you learned a valuable lesson from this...DONT MESS WITH JESUS!   I think youll get it next time though. "

Use _TARUNDA!_ on the boss. You will take 40% less damage from attacks. Its a rediculously cheap and effective buff for boss battles. Get it from Pyro Jack, Okoikane or slime. Fuse it up into a high level persona and wipe the floor with this boss. While your at it, you can also get Rakunda (+40% damage for your attacks) from persona's like Izanagi and Ghoul. Absolutely no grinding or leveling is needed if you get these skills, you will tear through the boss like paper when you mindcharge + tarukaja + rakunda + dyne skill.

Can anyone tell me, why exactly did Charlie get hurt so much by the wind? He wasn´t weak or anything, but he took the most damage out of the bunch.
 
And it was obvious you were gonna die after I saw Charlie wasn´t at full health, because he had like 10hp left when he got hit at full.

 
Maybe I should give a little bit tactics:
1.Level up Yukiko until she learns Mediarahan and make her cast Mediarahan every turn.
2.Get any persona which has makarakarn.When the boss uses "Quad Converge",cast makarakarn or magic mirror on at least protagonist and Yukiko(barrier to whole party is better)  because this boss tends to use "Quad converge" for ice and wind.
3.Always cast Masukunda or Masukukaja to reduce "misses".
 
I wish you good luck.Dont give up even if you are defeated again!

I am sorry to say and it is something i said yesterday too...if you don't use buffs and debuffs along with items for this boss it will be a very hard nut to crack especially at your level and considering the fact that most of the time two healers are necessary...and of course you did not live long to see his last nasty surprise...

Well....126 is already in the system (though not viewable till monday im sure) and the image looks like they're taking him on again, so advice would probably be pointless for now.

" @Zalasta:   Naah, Chie isn't totally useless just ye... well, yeah, I guess she kinda is dead weight at this particular point of the game, but she makes up for it later, 'specially in the next dungeon.   I always felt as if the developers should've at least given her Matarukaja to compensate for her mid-level slump. Teddie has both Matarukaja and Marakukaja... come on, why not give Chie at least one all-buffing skill? Maybe she'dve been too OP? Naaaah... "

I'd suggest the following.....
 

• Swap Chie out for Teddie. He has the better ice and healing spells. Chie is pretty much useless at this point.
  
• Go grind some dungeons until you reach level 67. This will level Teddie up a fair bit and allow you guys to reach the required level for the Hexagon fusion as well.
  
• Fuse the Trumpeter persona since you have all six required persona's needed to fuse it now. All you need is to reach level 67 which will benefit you in the boss fight anyway.
  
• May want to start fusing personas closer to your level. Black Frost is brilliant but around 10 levels lower than you, consider fusing him into something closer to your level and make sure Mind Charge is inherited during the fusion.
• Good Luck!
  

That's a bummer. Now I have to wait another two days. 

" @Ventilator:   "Quad converge" for wind multiplies wind attack about 3 times and at the same time makes electric,fire and ice very less effective.The "Quad converge" for ice does the same but in this case ice attack is multiplied and elec,wind and fire become ineffective. "

i had leveled up Yukiko enough to where her heals were full health for the entire party. 

not like this.

You guys should use some defense boost spells next time so that every attack isn't an emergency. Status buffs are cool.

Yeah, buffs/debuffs are super important in Persona 4 than most RPG.  That is why I love the auto- spells, having 2 full turns of attack-up for free is sweet, and even more ridiculous if you have player advantage.  I remember getting through dungeons so much quicker because of it.  I know the design for Persona fusion leaves a lot to be desired, but it's a shame they don't take advantage of it because well, it is an integral part of the game.
 
Every characters have their place, but I just think Teddy is much more versatile than the purely physical fighters like Kanji and Chie, especially since bosses are rarely weak to physical attacks and counters are useless because they generally stick with specials.  Honestly, I'd even rank Kanji over Chie because he has better buffs.

That sucks that you have to fight the boss again.  Oh well.
 

"Get bent!"
 
 "You get bent!"
 
"Yo get bent more!"

That was unfortunate...but it was close and made for an exciting fight!  Check out those 'mirror' type items.  I think it would've come in handy when he broke your wind resistance.
 
On closer inspection, you guys don't seem to have any (-_-) 

But dudes, if their Yukiko learns Mediarahan, won´t that have an insane SP cost, as it´s like the most awesome heal you can have.? What if Charlie puts in his Kikuri-Hime and does Mediarama+Divine Grace?

- To Jeff and/or Vinny - 
 

• Okay so that was pretty much expected. But you should be pretty positive about that, you did reasonably well while being under-levelled. 

• My advice would be to get outta the TV, take 2 or 3 days out and S-Link, Fish, Fuse and buy Items, and go into 8th/9th paradise for a couple of hours to grind your level up. Don't bother with the B-Team, once Chie has learnt Gigantic Fist and Yukiko has learnt Mediarahan you'll be a little better off. 

• Also, when you are in a zero-elemental defence situation (E.g. Zero wind resistance with wind being the powered-up element) you should take into account the Endurance stat, which I'm pretty sure is higher for Garuda than Black Frost. Also, I'm not sure you have any, but if you do, use Magic Mirrors. If Wind/Fire is the powerful element then it'll be useful to direct some of that right back at him for a lot of damage. 

• Another effect of grinding it out is the opportunity of getting rarer materials to sell to the Weapon shop, meaning you'll be better stocked up for the boss battle. 

• One more thing, when grinding, and a Shuffle Time comes up, you should always try and at least draw a blank card so that you can get a sweet perk, such as double-XP or double-money.

" I have not seen this part yet, but seeing the comments it seems that they failed against the boss.  I do not think advice will help them right now since it seems they've already done the next part, but yes, they should focus on buffs/debuffs.  I would say to focus on the Tarukaja/Rakukaja buffs and debuffs because I don't think raising and lowering evasion and hit rates is too safe to rely on and if you focus on all the battle stats you lose a lot of turns.  That's what I did against that boss and it went rather well.

This is what they get for being so against status spells. Buffs and debuffs  (Matarukaja, Masukunda, etc) are all EXTREMELY good in pretty much every single title in the Shin Megami Tensei universe. Not to mention they dropped Makarakarn last episode which could pretty much take this boss out by itself. 
 
Oh well, live and learn.

I don't really care about the levelling up / persona. I just want to know if Kanji gets the chance to get properly high at the end of the story, and if Charlie ends up with all the ladies.

OMG I can't wait for you to bloody defeat the boss!

Do they really NEED to level up though? 
I think they did alright and I don't see why they couldn't win. 
The only reason they died was because Charlie had just been Wind-Broken, really.

Suspicious-looking man? He's holding a child hostage! That is way past suspicious.

I agree that getting back the magic mirror spell will make this fight go a lot easier, as well as the number of party buffs mentioned. Also I think it's time to send black frost into the sunset and come correct with a new hard hitting magic persona. There's got to be a few worthy choices out there to fuse at this point.

Stock up on items, grind just a couple levels, and you should be ok.
 
Chie's not packin much this fight, so just stick her on item/buff duty.
 
More buffs and debuffs, like everyone else is saying. Might be worth it to put some Wind Break on him or something.

• Magic Mirror thing
• Lower enemy hit/evasion or Raise ally hit/evasion (which they have on Charlie)
• Mediarahan

" Haven´t watched an episode of ER since episode 101 (watched from 1-101), so i will check this out, just to see if its still the same stale stuff going on.  I would like to see a new game on here soon, this Persona 4 business is taking forever. There have been many fun episodes though, no doubt about that, i just feel bored looking at the same characters and graphics for so long.  "

I think when you met Fox initially, it stated the leaves were in his mouth.

Maybe after this you'll start using MEDIARAHAN. It's time to move up in healing spells! That Persona with the baby? She's got Mediarahan, and you still think that other one has the superior heals just because of that passive.
 
Also, sorry, but next episode should be an hour of grinding the final levels of Heaven :(
 
PS: You can't buy Beads is I remember correctly. You can only find them in Big Treasure Chests.
PS2: You're lucky. When he used Control in my game he took over Yukiko and I had to be the healer. Yukiko can potentially cast Diarahan on the boss to bring him back to full health. That's always fun.

Ah, good episode guys. I went into it knowing from the start there was most likely no way you would win at your current levels, and with Chie atm not having a ton of use until she's leveled up a bit more. You still got a lot further than I assumed you would. 
 
You'll get him sometime next week definitely, but its probably best to get at least 67 first and fuse Trumpeter and see what else you can come up with.

" @amino said:

" @Ventilator:   "Quad converge" for wind multiplies wind attack about 3 times and at the same time makes electric,fire and ice very less effective.The "Quad converge" for ice does the same but in this case ice attack is multiplied and elec,wind and fire become ineffective. "

It makes it stronger, sure, but Charlie still got hit way more than Chie or Yukiko. "

I don't see why a lot of people are complaining. It was a pretty close boss battle. They just need to grind out a few more levels and they can win this pretty handily, even with Chie, though I'd suggest that, assuming episode 126 ends in defeat again, Teddie be brought back in and leveled up alongside youguys (which shouldn't take overly long, since he'll be gaining levels after every fight). It'll be annoying, but if grinding is the only way, then it's necessary.
 
Though that isn't taking ito account any second or third bosses that might pop up. I dont know, since I never made it this far in the game before I lost my save files. Either way, it all comes down to having to grind eventually.

" Muahahahahaha! You fools!  That was hilarious.  Ready for some shit talk- er I mean constructive criticism?  First of all it's all too appropriate that you guys still think that young Black Frost of the FOOL arcana is by any means a "number 1 stunna."   I know he's your fav persona so far and rightly so, but duders pretty much all his stats and spells are topped by the rest of your personas.  I'm honestly not sure what he has left thats useful to you, Invigorate 2?  If thats the case just inherit it.  We all have to say goodbye someday and it might just be that time for young Black Frost.                Chie seems to be completely obsolete now on your end, but I'll admit right now that I did have her in my party to beat this boss so it's nothing a bit of grinding wouldnt cure.   And I notice you guys wished your attacks would HIT more and that you'd rather EVADE attacks that are hitting you.....Yosuke could've just casted Masukukaja but I guess you thought Sonic Punch would be a better skill to have because Light Phys is the shit. Finally I wanted to throw it in your faces that what costs 24K to you, cost me about 9Gs with fox, while having ALL the same Max s.links.  I suppose now's a good time as any to say that I've finally found a flaw in this game.  That is that its taken me from watching this Endurance run as a casual observer to a douchey-ass stickler who's set on how efficiently he performed in the game.  I miss the days when I watched these videos and said, "that's awesome!" Sigh....  I'm insane.  BUT I WILL SAVE YOU WITH ADVICE! "

" @Mezmero said:

" Muahahahahaha! You fools!  That was hilarious.  Ready for some shit talk- er I mean constructive criticism?  First of all it's all too appropriate that you guys still think that young Black Frost of the FOOL arcana is by any means a "number 1 stunna."   I know he's your fav persona so far and rightly so, but duders pretty much all his stats and spells are topped by the rest of your personas.  I'm honestly not sure what he has left thats useful to you, Invigorate 2?  If thats the case just inherit it.  We all have to say goodbye someday and it might just be that time for young Black Frost.                Chie seems to be completely obsolete now on your end, but I'll admit right now that I did have her in my party to beat this boss so it's nothing a bit of grinding wouldnt cure.   And I notice you guys wished your attacks would HIT more and that you'd rather EVADE attacks that are hitting you.....Yosuke could've just casted Masukukaja but I guess you thought Sonic Punch would be a better skill to have because Light Phys is the shit. Finally I wanted to throw it in your faces that what costs 24K to you, cost me about 9Gs with fox, while having ALL the same Max s.links.  I suppose now's a good time as any to say that I've finally found a flaw in this game.  That is that its taken me from watching this Endurance run as a casual observer to a douchey-ass stickler who's set on how efficiently he performed in the game.  I miss the days when I watched these videos and said, "that's awesome!" Sigh....  I'm insane.  BUT I WILL SAVE YOU WITH ADVICE! "

 You're really cool.  No, really. "

Boss: *uses wind break*
Jeff: Oh you dick...DICK!
 
Haha. Too bad you guys didn't make it through, but still a good attempt at the boss. You guys were underleveled and underpowered. You need to buff more. If you're not willing to use actual skills, use the items that are in your pack like Diamond Shield, Magic Mirror, etc. since they work exactly the same way.

" But dudes, if their Yukiko learns Mediarahan, won´t that have an insane SP cost, as it´s like the most awesome heal you can have.? What if Charlie puts in his Kikuri-Hime and does Mediarama+Divine Grace? "