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Endurance Run

Endurance Run: Persona 4 - Part 125

The Investigation Team ascends to dungeon nirvana to do battle with a... formidable foe.

Vinny and Jeff sit down and take a crack at the latest game in the Shin Megami Tensei series. Will they make it through the entire game?

Aug. 7 2009

Cast: Jeff, Vinny

Posted by: Drew

326 Comments

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Edited By endaround
@FluxWaveZ:  
They also had bad stats persona in.  Their love affair with Garuda is weird.  He's not very good compared to otehr physical or magic attacks.  Bascially he's wind and not much else.
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GAH! Hariti had Mediarahan! You fools!

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@Hamz said:
" I'd suggest the following.....
 
  • Swap Chie out for Teddie. He has the better ice and healing spells. Chie is pretty much useless at this point.
  • Go grind some dungeons until you reach level 67. This will level Teddie up a fair bit and allow you guys to reach the required level for the Hexagon fusion as well.
  • Fuse the Trumpeter persona since you have all six required persona's needed to fuse it now. All you need is to reach level 67 which will benefit you in the boss fight anyway.
  • May want to start fusing personas closer to your level. Black Frost is brilliant but around 10 levels lower than you, consider fusing him into something closer to your level and make sure Mind Charge is inherited during the fusion.
  • Good Luck!
"
Way too ambitious of a plan. Sure, it'll work but it is in no way needed to beat the boss. Lvl 67 with trumpeter is def overkill. No leveling needed, only a focus on status spells like Masukunda's, Tarukaja's and Marukaja's and this battle can be won without any grinding whatsoever...
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Edited By babblinmule

In fairness guys, I lost to this boss the first time too.

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Edited By Sticky_Pennies

You don't need Divine Grace if you have Diarahan, since it fully heals anyway. Just saying.
I don't think you need to level that much, if at all, to be able to kill the boss. It seemed to be more of a misstategerizin' that you died.
 
Nice try though! :D

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Won't repeat whats already been said, but you learnt quickly on what was coming next, follow some of the suggestions and he'll be easy next time.

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Aww, bummer.  You put up a great fight.  I guess I'd just spend some time leveling up...hey, you've been playing for this long.  A few more episodes won't hurt.  :)
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MEDIARAHAN is on a persona... Good luck on monday leveling up!

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Get Mediarahan for Yukiko, should make it a lot easier.

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This was the point where I was really glad Yosuke had Masukukaja on my playthrough ;)

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One of your Personas has Mediarahan (party heal all).

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@pause422 said:

" @Skillface said:

" @Mezmero said:
" [some BS]"
 You're really cool.  No, really. "
Yeah I know. What an idiot. "
It's probably just the eternal douche bag AION again talking out of his ass. I thought V&J did great up to their untimely demise #6.
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@Fallen189 said:
" "I guess we could guard"  Painfully obvious they're reading guides. "
Painfully obvious that you havn't really been watching all these episodes, it's quite clear they're not using guides.
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Some awesome lines in this one.

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Damn, I guess you probably shoulden't have skipped all those floors. Looks like there is some grinding to do, at least until Yukkio gets Mediarahan.

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They shouldn't have got rid of masukukaja. Look at how they are missing the boss.

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"Jesus always knows what time it is..."
 
I want that on a shirt, with Jesus wearing a flava flav clock.

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@Poki3 said:
" @Ventilator said:
" But dudes, if their Yukiko learns Mediarahan, won´t that have an insane SP cost, as it´s like the most awesome heal you can have.? What if Charlie puts in his Kikuri-Hime and does Mediarama+Divine Grace? "
Mediarama costs 12. Mediarahan costs 30. Mediarama heals less then 1/2 of their current HP and takes 2 turns. So that's 2 turns of 12 to almost fully heal Vs 1 turn of 30 to fully heal. Kikuri-Hime is worthless because her stats are too low. Divine Grace is a 50% boost if I remember correctly, so they still need to use 2 turns, but will probably get killed because of the low Endurance.  There's no excuse to not using Mediarahan in battle at this point in the game. If you want to discuss the efectivemenss of heals then wait till they have the option of having Salvation (heal all + all status for 40SP) "
 
Well, Mediarahan it is then. :)
 
Question though! You said Kikuri-Hime is worthless because of her low stats. In my Persona 3 game I noticed that my Cybele had an awesome enough Mediarama to heal my party fully, but another persona who was several levels higher only healed for about 100hp. Which stat determines that?
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Ouch...

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Can some people not notice when they've cross the line from lending helpful advice, to simply being an annoying douchebag prick?  If watching these videos makes you constantly cringe, stresses you out, or you demand 100% efficiency out of the guys, then it would probably be a good idea to just stop watching them. 
 
After all the constant complaining about how horribly they play, they still manage to beat boss after boss.  They put up a good fight here.  The boss didn't wipe the floor with them.  What's  the point of playing if there is no threat of death?  (Of course there are plenty of people lending helpful advice, this message isn't aimed at those people)

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When the boss uses "quad converge", Vinny should use an item that puts reflect on every party member. That way, the boss will cast ma-something and it'll be reflected 4 times on him.

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Is Chie's armor on Naoto again?

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Edited By SilvarusLupus

For this boss, I like getting personae that can repel or drain or null: agi, garu, bufu, zio, and physical attacks. Black Frost is good because he can absorb 2 elements. 

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  @FelixLighter said:

" Can some people not notice when they've cross the line from lending helpful advice, to simply being an annoying douchebag prick? "

They are just trying to convince themselves that V&J still need their help. It would not surprise me if they stopped reading comments altogether after all the spoilers lately.
 
EDIT: That came out a little harsh, sorry for that.
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They almost made it.
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWW!! monday?!

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They need to NOT dismiss good spells anymore, like that one persona that had Mediahram that heals the entire party all the way. They were looking for their good spell healer and they skipped their best one.
 
Also, in 5 levels, Yukiko will get Mediahram (dont give up Mediaramma though) They need to level up to that point before they have a reasonable chance of beating the boss.
 
Thanks

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@swoxx said:
" @Fallen189 said:
" "I guess we could guard"  Painfully obvious they're reading guides. "
Painfully obvious that you havn't really been watching all these episodes, it's quite clear they're not using guides. "
If you say so...
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@Ventilator said:

" @Poki3 said:

" @Ventilator said:
" But dudes, if their Yukiko learns Mediarahan, won´t that have an insane SP cost, as it´s like the most awesome heal you can have.? What if Charlie puts in his Kikuri-Hime and does Mediarama+Divine Grace? "
Mediarama costs 12. Mediarahan costs 30. Mediarama heals less then 1/2 of their current HP and takes 2 turns. So that's 2 turns of 12 to almost fully heal Vs 1 turn of 30 to fully heal. Kikuri-Hime is worthless because her stats are too low. Divine Grace is a 50% boost if I remember correctly, so they still need to use 2 turns, but will probably get killed because of the low Endurance.  There's no excuse to not using Mediarahan in battle at this point in the game. If you want to discuss the efectivemenss of heals then wait till they have the option of having Salvation (heal all + all status for 40SP) "
  Well, Mediarahan it is then. :)  Question though! You said Kikuri-Hime is worthless because of her low stats. In my Persona 3 game I noticed that my Cybele had an awesome enough Mediarama to heal my party fully, but another persona who was several levels higher only healed for about 100hp. Which stat determines that? "
Magic.  Cybele's highest stat is Magic. Stats are very important in this game, and they really need to start paying attention to them...
 
Also something unrelated to you:
People who say they should start using Teddie. I say NO to that.
For one, Leveling him up will be too big of a pain right now. Second there's nothing wring with Physicals, you just have to use Single Target Physicals on single targets, Multi Target physicals on multiple targets. Chie is now their worst character, yes, but she'll come around later when she gets more skills. She needs the exp. Thirdly, Teddie is week to Lightning, and will always be week to Lightning and that fact will devastate them during every single boss battle from now on. Not to mention the fact that they'll have 2 people with weaknesses...
 
PS: Tam Lin is the best persona they have right now. I cry when they don't use him. It would be even better if they would make it inherit Invigorate 2 from someone. They also have a nice White Rider that doesn't get any use. When a persona is 5 levels lower then your Main Character's level it's time to start thinking about something else. 10 levels lower and it's time to get rid of it.
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GET MEDIADIARAHAN PEOPLE

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@Poki3: 
 
Magic? That´s what I thought, if it weren´t for the fact that the other persona who only heals for a 100 has a bigger magic stat.
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Ouch... I knew when Vinny said he was going to use an item then Mediarama that it would be Game Over, Charlie getting hit with Garu left him with only a few hit points when he was fully healed, so it should of been obvious enough. Ah well.

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I think they would have beaten Namatame if they had fully healed Charlie on their last turn, so it was a pretrty good effort. 
 
It is kinda sad & funny that the two good skills they just dumped (Masukukaja and Makarakarn) would have been very helpful for this boss.   But I think they do have a few of the items that cast those spells.
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ROUND 2 ON MONDAY!!!!!

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Once again, obligatory "Just rough it out with Chie you guys. Once she has Power Charge + God Hand, game breaker". 
 
But yeah, I only skimmed through the first three pages of comments, but I agree thus far. Two or three levels more would do you well. I'm embarrassed to admit, but I was like 67 - 70 when I fought this boss, and that was a cake walk.  

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Knew it was gonna happen when time started running down, and they were so close.
 
Ah well, they'll definitely get it next time.

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Meatwadded your RSI with Magarudyne

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Great episode today.  Good job and you almost did it.  Now you know that you can do it come Monday.

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Notice how they were missing like ass?  Anyone still want to defend their removal of masukukaja?

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Go get a persona with makarakarn and just have charlie cast that on someone the whole fight. Also the item Magic Mirror has the same effect.
 
Or you could play it safe and get Tarunda (attack down 1 enemy) on a persona with decent endurance.

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This is why you guys need buffs!  That Sukunda (hit/evasion) was helping for the short time you had it up, and an attack down/defense up would have helped tremendously.
 
You should have items in your inventory that cast party buffs for you.  I don't know what they're called because they have stupid names.

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Hey guys... choose your words carefully.

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Stop ignoring that heal-all party spell. That could of easily saved you this battle.

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Makarakarn doesn't really sound so useless now, does it?  ;p

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A word of warning Vinny and Jeff: if the choice is between "wasting" Charlie's turn guarding, and thus living, or spending it attacking, thus dying, waste the turn!  Also, keep the boss masukundaed. 

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I lol'ed at the "Choose your words carefully" part.

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@AuthenticM: I don't think they've gotten any magic mirrors...
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Gotta love V&J's ignoring of buff/debuff spells coming back to bite them in the ass. (along with passing up a persona with Mediarahan for one with Mediarama when they needed to heal the whole party for a lot of HP, for some reason...)
 
You guys had the right idea using Masukunda that one time, but you should have kept that debuff up for the entire fight. You have Marakukaja(defense up to your entire party) floating around one of your personas too, and casting that will help a lot against those big elemental spells. Honestly, if you'd spent less time obsessing over crap skills like REGENERATE and not-as-useful-as-they-look skills like Growth and Invigorate, you might have a decent enough assortment of elemental and buff/debuff spells to make this fight easy. It's still not too late to start getting personas with lots of buff spells, you just have to focus on getting those instead of growth/regenerate/invigorate. Ideally you'd get the single-target version of the debuffs since they're cheaper(and you'll only use them against bosses anyway), although the multi-target works too. With buffs you obviously want ones that buff your entire party. 
 
Nice to see you're finally using items; running back to the Shiroku store to get as many Macca Leaves and Beads as possible will help you quite a bit, since this'll let Chie do double-duty as a useful healer. You also have some items that act as buffs/debuffs that you can have her use - the Super Sonic increases everyone's hit/evasion rate and the diamond shields increase everyone's Defense, both of which are very useful for not dying.
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Edited By Red

This boss is tricky, but he really just needs some good strategy. When it gets to Zero G, have everyone guard except for the person in your party that repels/drains/nulls that element, and have them -dyne them to hell.

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Edited By Alphazero

Bummer about the death, but that opening sequence to the boss fight was the best yet. Nothing quite like stone cold crazy to add some dramatic tension.