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Quick Look: CoD: Modern Warfare Reflex Edition

We found out if the Wii can handle the power of Price's mustache.

Sit back and enjoy as the Giant Bomb team takes an unedited look at the latest video games.

Nov. 18 2009

Cast: Jeff, Ryan

Posted by: Vinny

215 Comments

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Well, there's the platform war I expected to see in the comment section. Hi everybody!
 
If nobody has said it yet, yes, CoD: World at War did also have pretty much the full multiplayer, so they're probably pretty comparable experiences, just differentiated by what your tastes are. I really enjoyed WaW on the Wii - having played it on PC, Wii and 360, my preferences would go in that order - I'd rather play it with a mouse than anything, but I'd take a Wiimote over the dual analog sticks.
 
I feel like I played enough MW on PC to not need to rehash it, but for anybody who missed out (but who are those people?), this is probably at least worth a rental to see if you like the controls.

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@pizz said:
" Call of Duder "
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@PhartManButt said:
" I think it's great that the wii finally gets COD4, but why so late? Why did it take Activision 2 years to do a port? (or was it 3 years?) Also, why didn't they do MW2 as well? Sigh...proof why the Wii doesn't do well... they get ports so late that Wii owners buy other Consoles!  Also, why did they use the same intro as the one on the PS3, PC and Xbox versions? It's like advertising GREAT graphics when you really get a guy in a ghille suit that looks like a walking shit ... "
The Wii... doesn't do well? 
 
I'm sorry, what?
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@iAmJohn said:
" @PhartManButt said:
" I think it's great that the wii finally gets COD4, but why so late? Why did it take Activision 2 years to do a port? (or was it 3 years?) Also, why didn't they do MW2 as well? Sigh...proof why the Wii doesn't do well... they get ports so late that Wii owners buy other Consoles!  Also, why did they use the same intro as the one on the PS3, PC and Xbox versions? It's like advertising GREAT graphics when you really get a guy in a ghille suit that looks like a walking shit ... "
The Wii... doesn't do well?  I'm sorry, what? "
FPS games sell better on 360/ PS3.
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any classic controller support?

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Why would anybody choose to play this game?

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@Light_Bahamut said:
" I wonder if the Wii MotionPlus could possibly help with FPS controls. I'm not sure how, but they could figure it out. Because as it stands, they're just frustrating approximations of more precise control schemes.  "
No, is just that Jeff isn't used to wii controls. WIi remote controls are actually good and for many people better than dual analog.
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I like how hilariously out of whack gamers' perception of the Wii's accuracy or popularity is. Good laughs all the time.

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@HandsomeDead said:
" Why would anybody choose to play this game? "
Controls.
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@Octaslash said:

" @Oni said:

" @qlum said:

" @Erik: 
at least better controls than the ps3/360 version  "

Haha really? The impression you got from that video was "hey these controls look smoother and more accurate than the regular ones!"? I mean I know there's a learning curve involved but even so, you're never going to get the precision out of a Wiimote that's comparable to mouse or controllers. "
Jeff didn't bother trying the other control options, so this video isn't a very good representation. With the advanced settings you'll get more precision than you can ever get with an analog stick.   Also, you can enable leaning with the nunchuk, which works pretty well. It's better than having the feature totally cut out anyway. "
Is there a classic controller option?
 
It would be interesting to compare classic controls vs. motion controls.
 
Still with MW2 out, and the other versions of COD4 looking much better than this version. It's only for people who only own a Wii. And let's be honest, if you had any interest in this franchise, you would have had the other versions already.
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@theLonelyOne: the controls were way tighter in the origional
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Using all the muscles in your fingers, wrist and arm while resting on a surface provides better motor control than just the muscles in your arm and wrist while supporting the weight of your arm, or a joypad using only your thumb. This is why a mouse is still more precise than the Wiimote. People get hung up on the whole "it shoots where I point, so it must be more precise" thing. Wiimote may offer more immersion, but mouse affords more precise control.

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@DSTV said:
" @theLonelyOne: the controls were way tighter in the origional "
Oh really? based on what? On this video? People that clearly aren't used to the controls setup? I can make a video of people not used to dual analog and have them stare at the floor and the roof most of the time too.
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@theLonelyOne said:
" @HandsomeDead said:
" Why would anybody choose to play this game? "
Controls. "
Why would anybody choose to play an FPS with the Wii controls?
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aw naw dawg!  why would you use low sensitivity?

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Ummm....yeah. This does look rough.

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@HandsomeDead said:
" @theLonelyOne said:
" @HandsomeDead said:
" Why would anybody choose to play this game? "
Controls. "
Why would anybody choose to play an FPS with the Wii controls? "
Because wii controls are faster and more precise than dual analog and give more realistic feedback than a mouse?
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lol oh Treyarch, always funny stuff when taking the success of someone else and making money off it. 
 
The best example of wii controls still is wiisports, and that says a lot about whether the system's controls are a gimmick or not in my mind.

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@theLonelyOne said:
" @HandsomeDead said:
" @theLonelyOne said:
" @HandsomeDead said:
" Why would anybody choose to play this game? "
Controls. "
Why would anybody choose to play an FPS with the Wii controls? "
Because wii controls are faster and more precise than dual analog and give more realistic feedback than a mouse? "
It looks like it plays about as realistic as Virtua Cop with the added bonus of not being able to turn around as fast or as accurately as you'd get from a mouse or dual joystick game.
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@DJJoeJoe said:

" lol oh Treyarch, always funny stuff when taking the success of someone else and making money off it.

You realize that both Infinity Ward and Treyarch are owned by Activision, right? If not, then maybe you should read up on the Publisher-Devoloper relationship.
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HAHAHA A to jump

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@HandsomeDead said:

It looks like it plays about as realistic as Virtua Cop with the added bonus of not being able to turn around as fast or as accurately as you'd get from a mouse or dual joystick game. " 

Funny, I have no problems turning around fast. If you see this video again they chose on of the less sensitive options, which include slow turning. Fast turning is disorienting for people not used to play games with their wrist, so the newbie setting have slow turning.
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I don't get why you guys say it looks kinda crappy? It's being played on a wii, not a 360, there are some graphical limitations. Nobody is gonna buy this expecting to see the graphical fidelity of the PS3/360 versions.

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@Oni: 
 "I haven't seen graphics that bad since early-era PS2." 
Dude really? I thought it looked decent for a Wii game, certainly playable. Have you ever played an early PS2 game? It doesn't look that bad at all. Although I agree it certainly could look way better, Mario Galaxy and Brawl look great, even a launch title like Twilight Princess looks better.
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Why is this game on the Wii? Games that attempt any kind of realism with graphics should be kept off of the system. If one wants it that bad, buy another system.

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@XaiaX said:
" They show the nuke in the intro?  Huh.  I guess they figure you already know about that by now. "
It was in the 360/ps3 intro as well.
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@theLonelyOne said:
" @HandsomeDead said:

It looks like it plays about as realistic as Virtua Cop with the added bonus of not being able to turn around as fast or as accurately as you'd get from a mouse or dual joystick game. " 

Funny, I have no problems turning around fast. If you see this video again they chose on of the less sensitive options, which include slow turning. Fast turning is disorienting for people not used to play games with their wrist, so the newbie setting have slow turning. "
Funny, the first time I criticise the the controls, you get condescending. I've played Metroid Prime 3, that game played like shit and this looks no different.
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@HandsomeDead said:
" @theLonelyOne said:
" @HandsomeDead said:

It looks like it plays about as realistic as Virtua Cop with the added bonus of not being able to turn around as fast or as accurately as you'd get from a mouse or dual joystick game. " 

Funny, I have no problems turning around fast. If you see this video again they chose on of the less sensitive options, which include slow turning. Fast turning is disorienting for people not used to play games with their wrist, so the newbie setting have slow turning. "
Funny, the first time I criticise the the controls, you get condescending. I've played Metroid Prime 3, that game played like shit and this looks no different. "
Wii FPS controls have evolved since MP3 you know? And condescending? What I said is a fact, more advanced settings are faster. Less advanced settings for inexperienced players are slower. Watch this quick look again and look at the controls options they had... and that just the beginning of customization.
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@theLonelyOne said:
" @HandsomeDead said:
" @theLonelyOne said:
" @HandsomeDead said:

It looks like it plays about as realistic as Virtua Cop with the added bonus of not being able to turn around as fast or as accurately as you'd get from a mouse or dual joystick game. " 

Funny, I have no problems turning around fast. If you see this video again they chose on of the less sensitive options, which include slow turning. Fast turning is disorienting for people not used to play games with their wrist, so the newbie setting have slow turning. "
Funny, the first time I criticise the the controls, you get condescending. I've played Metroid Prime 3, that game played like shit and this looks no different. "
Wii FPS controls have evolved since MP3 you know? And condescending? What I said is a fact, more advanced settings are faster. Less advanced settings for inexperienced players are slower. Watch this quick look again and look at the controls options they had... and that just the beginning of customization. "
Evolved to the level of what, The Conduit? You could customize that game a million ways too and it didn't get any better.
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looks bad...
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Jeff will never learn to adjust the dead zone for these games

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@HandsomeDead said:

Evolved to the level of what, The Conduit? You could customize that game a million ways too and it didn't get any better. "

"I have played Mp3" and now TCon too. Ok guy, whatever. Portugal-Bosnia is on. Im logging off since your initial can't even back up your claim of turning being inherently slow on the wii.
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@theLonelyOne said:
" @HandsomeDead said:
Evolved to the level of what, The Conduit? You could customize that game a million ways too and it didn't get any better. "
"I have played Mp3" and now TCon too. Ok guy, whatever. Portugal-Bosnia is on. Im logging off. "
Do I have to clarify my entire gaming history before I can make a point? Logging off because you got suckered into acting like recent Wii FPS titles have been GOTY contenders really doesn't help your point.
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These Wii FPS quick looks always irk me.  I've never had any problem with Wii FPS controls after a small amount of sensitivity changes.
 
These quick looks always make the game look so horrid, it almost looks like they're aiming that way on purpose.

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@HandsomeDead said:

" @theLonelyOne said:

" @HandsomeDead said:

Evolved to the level of what, The Conduit? You could customize that game a million ways too and it didn't get any better. "

"I have played Mp3" and now TCon too. Ok guy, whatever. Portugal-Bosnia is on. Im logging off. "

Do I have to clarify my entire gaming history before I can make a point? Logging off because you got suckered into acting like recent Wii FPS titles have been GOTY contenders really doesn't help your point. "
 Im logging off since you can't even back up your initial claim of turning being inherently slow on the wii. And theres a sweet football game on TV. And when i said anything about GotY? Lol dude. Here's and old vid a made showing how fast turning is in WaW Wii. And in MW:R is actually faster.
 
 
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@HandsomeDead said:

" Funny, the first time I criticise the the controls, you get condescending. I've played Metroid Prime 3, that game played like shit and this looks no different. "

 Metroid Prime 3 "played like shit"? Oh man, that is hysterical.
 
No, no it didn't.
 
I've certainly played FPS's on the Wii that DO play like shit. Red Steel is a pretty good example. The Far Cry game is a better one.
 
But Metroid Prime 3, The Conduit, CoD: World at War and Medal of Honor: Heroes 2 all control very, very well on the Wii. People are right to say it isn't as good as a mouse and keyboard setup, and any FPS game is going to be best on the PC if it's available there and done right. But a well-done FPS on the Wii controls MUCH more enjoyably in my opinion than any dual-stick control scheme on the 360/PS3, though obviously it doesn't look as nice. Dual-stick has always been a clumsy approximation of keyboard / mouse controls. The nunchuk and Wiimote are a less clumsy approximation of the same.
 
If I wasn't Modern Warfare'd out from the PC version, I'd probably give this a spin. As I said before, World at War's Wii version was excellent.
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this just made me want to play CoD4 on my xbox

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Live demo folks! lol

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Don't let friends knife friends.

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Abolutely awful. Just goes to show what happens when you try to make serious games for the machine that only plays "Party" games.
 
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Castrated Edition.

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This game feels like it's lost it's greatness coming to the Wii. I guess people who didn't play it before won't notice but they should still play it on a different platform.

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@Crushed:
Don't even worry about it man, it's been almost 5 years sonce HD gaming was introduced, so most people are like Oni and forget just how bad last gen graphics are compared to know, even for the Wii.
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This game needs to not be on the Wii. For, like, several reasons.

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New Call of Duty Bros: Modern Warfare Wii

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Jeff is right. They need to release the Cod4 maps as a map pack for MW2. That would be awesome!
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@LaszloKovacs said:
" This game needs to not be on the Wii. For, like, several reasons. "
What reasons would those be? There's clearly an audience for it there, World at War sold a million copies on the Wii, which is almost unheard of for 3rd party Wii titles, and it looks like they did a reasonably faithful translation of the game as long as you can figure out how to control it, which honestly isn't that hard.
 
So why on Earth does it "need to not be on the Wii"? It's not like somebody's honor is besmirched by having it appear on a system that doesn't make it look as good as it does in HD. This isn't a holy book, it's a first-person shooter. Let them put it wherever they think it will sell.
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You should have an FPS counter in the quick look so we can see more how things affect framerate. :)

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"Hey guys... I'll give you like eight bucks if you take me back to the car." 
 
Yeah, Call of Duty 4 on the Wii with a major graphical hit. The helicopter stuttering was probably the low point of it.

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Yeah, looks lame. Whatever...
 
I'm more struck by the thought that Ryan really needs to re-grow his Price-style chops.

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LOL @ fanboys saying that the Wii mote is a better way to play this game than dual analog sticks.