I get a PvZ on Shattered Temple.  I start off normal with no intention on doing anything other than 3gate expand.  Until he steals my gas.  So I just say fuck it, drop a 4 gate, don't even bother to get the gas.

I walked around his spine crawlers at his nature and killed all his drones.  After the hatch dies, I go to the match and he starts talking shit.  "Protoss is such a joke." Blah blah blah.  It was like I was in a game with idra himself.  Except I won.  Don't do a 14 hatch, and then bitch when you get 4gated.  I didn't even make any super imba sentries.

This is the replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/160847-1v1-protoss-zerg-gutterhulk

Also, this game just confused me.  No BM, but it is just weird:  http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/160848-1v1-terran-protoss-shakuras-plateau

" I get a PvZ on Shattered Temple.  I start off normal with no intention on doing anything other than 3gate expand.  Until he steals my gas.  So I just say fuck it, drop a 4 gate, don't even bother to get the gas.  "

fuck yeah!

I played a PvZ on... oh I forget what map it was now. But yeah, he managed to sneak a drone into my base and performed a gas steal. So since I couldn't 3 Gate Sentry Expand I changed it to the 1 Gas 4 Gate. He actually managed to sneak a ling past my forces and scouted my whole main, but somehow when I got to his base I was still able to overwhelm him and take him down. Surprisingly, no bm from him: he gg'd and left. 

" That's odd... the last game I played last night was a ZvP on Shattered Temple. I stole his gas, the protoss 3 gated and tried to expand, I cancelled his expo with speedlings, he hid in his base for a bit then attacked me and I killed him. If you steal a protoss' gas and 14 hatch, you really don't have the right to bitch when he 4gates you. Where did he think those extra minerals were going? "

Same thing for me a few days back.  Saw a zerg go around 15-16 hatch (super greedy) before pool close positions on Metalopolis and then he had the balls to try to contain me.  So I went for a delayed 4gate with void rays thrown in and killed him in one shot.  He whined about protoss and left.  Zergs need to realize you can't hatch first on small maps like LT/ST or Metalopolis and expect to be left to get a huge advantage.

I get a ZvP on XNC. I start off normal with no intention on doing anything other than 15hatch. Until I realize I am up against a Protoss. So I just say fuck it, drop a 6pool, don't even bother to get the drones.

I walked in his main and kill all probes. After the Nexus dies, I go to the match and he starts talking shit. "6pool is such a joke." Blah blah blah. Don't play Protoss, and then bitch when you get 6pooled. I didn't even make any super imba Broodlo-...Ultrali-...Roaches?

I got a ZVP on Metalopolis. I timing attack him off 6gate and kill him easily. He leaves the game saying "If you have no skill make immortals...fuck this protoss shit.

" I got a ZVP on Metalopolis. I timing attack him off 6gate and kill him easily. He leaves the game saying "If you have no skill make immortals...fuck this protoss shit.

I didn't make immortals. He scouted my base and I didn't have a robo (I was going stargate)...wtf?

"

" Same thing for me a few days back.  Saw a zerg go around 15-16 hatch (super greedy) before pool close positions on Metalopolis and then he had the balls to try to contain me.  So I went for a delayed 4gate with void rays thrown in and killed him in one shot.  He whined about protoss and left.  Zergs need to realize you can't hatch first on small maps like LT/ST or Metalopolis and expect to be left to get a huge advantage.

PvZ on Tal'Darim Altar I take option 2 of the "You see him fast expand" rules and 15 nexus then defend with cannons and a wall-off.  It is insanely effective.

"

" @DystopiaX said:

" I got a ZVP on Metalopolis. I timing attack him off 6gate and kill him easily. He leaves the game saying "If you have no skill make immortals...fuck this protoss shit.

I didn't make immortals. He scouted my base and I didn't have a robo (I was going stargate)...wtf?

"

The funny thing is immortals actually require more skill than most units to use as you have to micro them into range of enemy units since they can barely shoot a foot in front of them and are slower so they get caught behind stalkers and sentries.  Still my favourite unit in the game.  3/3 immortals can take out anything armored in like 2 shots. "

" @Cataphract1014: It usually works on that 1v1 map with a big ramp. "

" @Ben_H said:

" Same thing for me a few days back.  Saw a zerg go around 15-16 hatch (super greedy) before pool close positions on Metalopolis and then he had the balls to try to contain me.  So I went for a delayed 4gate with void rays thrown in and killed him in one shot.  He whined about protoss and left.  Zergs need to realize you can't hatch first on small maps like LT/ST or Metalopolis and expect to be left to get a huge advantage.

PvZ on Tal'Darim Altar I take option 2 of the "You see him fast expand" rules and 15 nexus then defend with cannons and a wall-off.  It is insanely effective.

"

Why are you giving Zerg advice when you clearly have no idea how to play Zerg?
@Ben_H said:

" @DystopiaX said:

" I got a ZVP on Metalopolis. I timing attack him off 6gate and kill him easily. He leaves the game saying "If you have no skill make immortals...fuck this protoss shit.

I didn't make immortals. He scouted my base and I didn't have a robo (I was going stargate)...wtf?

"

The funny thing is immortals actually require more skill than most units to use as you have to micro them into range of enemy units since they can barely shoot a foot in front of them and are slower so they get caught behind stalkers and sentries.  Still my favourite unit in the game.  3/3 immortals can take out anything armored in like 2 shots. "

5 range is low range? Compared to what unit is that low? The collosis? "

" @Ben_H said:

" Same thing for me a few days back.  Saw a zerg go around 15-16 hatch (super greedy) before pool close positions on Metalopolis and then he had the balls to try to contain me.  So I went for a delayed 4gate with void rays thrown in and killed him in one shot.  He whined about protoss and left.  Zergs need to realize you can't hatch first on small maps like LT/ST or Metalopolis and expect to be left to get a huge advantage.
PvZ on Tal'Darim Altar I take option 2 of the "You see him fast expand" rules and 15 nexus then defend with cannons and a wall-off.  It is insanely effective.
"

Why are you giving Zerg advice when you clearly have no idea how to play Zerg?
"

"
Compared to Stalkers with a range of 6 and sentries with a range of 5. which it is all too easy for 3 or 4 immortals to get stuck behind. "

If you go to the Zerg Strategy chatroom you will find a lot of the same sentiment. A lot of people saying that Protoss is OP because of sentries and photon cannons.

" If you go to the Zerg Strategy chatroom you will find a lot of the same sentiment. A lot of people saying that Protoss is OP because of sentries and photon cannons. "

i feel like this thread might as well be written in chinese.

" @haffy said:

" @Ben_H said:

" Same thing for me a few days back.  Saw a zerg go around 15-16 hatch (super greedy) before pool close positions on Metalopolis and then he had the balls to try to contain me.  So I went for a delayed 4gate with void rays thrown in and killed him in one shot.  He whined about protoss and left.  Zergs need to realize you can't hatch first on small maps like LT/ST or Metalopolis and expect to be left to get a huge advantage.
PvZ on Tal'Darim Altar I take option 2 of the "You see him fast expand" rules and 15 nexus then defend with cannons and a wall-off.  It is insanely effective.
"

Why are you giving Zerg advice when you clearly have no idea how to play Zerg?
"

Why are you saying I'm giving zerg advice when I'm talking about going for 15 nexus AGAINST zerg on Tal'Darim Altar and going for a two base attack AGAINST a greedy zerg close ground positions on Metalopolis .  The guy I was talking to is a Protoss, which is my main race as well.  He said ZvP but he obviously meant PvZ, which is a common and insignificant mistake to make.   He 6gated a Zerg who then proceeded to say that immortals won him the game when he did not in fact have any.  We wouldn't be talking about his opponent saying that the dude was making immortals if he was Zerg and could not in fact make Immortals in the first place.  And what I was referring to is zergs who go hatch first close positions on smaller maps then drone really hard, then die because they have little to defend so they claim imbalance because they're greedy and don't scout even though they coudl have map control with zerglings.  Perhaps in the future you should read posts before acting like a complete dick.

@mrv321

said:

"
Compared to Stalkers with a range of 6 and sentries with a range of 5. which it is all too easy for 3 or 4 immortals to get stuck behind. "

This combined with the fact that immortals are often target fired in smaller engagements because of how potent they are against roaches and spine crawlers, so saving them by moving them out of the way to regenerate shields is a good skill toi have. Haffy, what race do you play, I'm guessing not protoss?  mrv knew exactly what I was talking about with how immortals get caught behind unless you move them in front of the other units, as stalkers are faster and often get in front of the other units, which can be particularly problematic with zealots, who are obviously melee units, and immortals, which are kinda unwieldy to use.  It's something Protoss players get used to and have to deal with. "

I was talking about 15-16 hatch for Zerg. I'm obviously not talking about the 15 nexus. The only time I mentioned immortals was about their range. I don't understand how they're hard to micro considering they have 1 more range than the unit they're meant to be used against and you have force fields which help with that as well. All you really have to do is keep them infront which isn't really micro and more positioning. Also 15-16 hatch is no way greedy for Zerg. The only way you beat that is by going 2 gate zealot or sometimes cannon rushing can kill it. 4 gate 1 stargate would be ridicously easy to beat going  hatch first because your attack is going to be delayed so the only way you win is by hoping you don't get your stargate scouted and they made only roaches. The way you talk about 15 hatch being greedy is just pretty stupid to be honest.I play Zerg, but I got to masters on the US server with Protoss. Pvz being by far my best match up then pvt, pvp. "

" @haffy said:

I was talking about 15-16 hatch for Zerg. I'm obviously not talking about the 15 nexus. The only time I mentioned immortals was about their range. I don't understand how they're hard to micro considering they have 1 more range than the unit they're meant to be used against and you have force fields which help with that as well. All you really have to do is keep them infront which isn't really micro and more positioning. Also 15-16 hatch is no way greedy for Zerg. The only way you beat that is by going 2 gate zealot or sometimes cannon rushing can kill it. 4 gate 1 stargate would be ridicously easy to beat going  hatch first because your attack is going to be delayed so the only way you win is by hoping you don't get your stargate scouted and they made only roaches. The way you talk about 15 hatch being greedy is just pretty stupid to be honest.I play Zerg, but I got to masters on the US server with Protoss. Pvz being by far my best match up then pvt, pvp. "

They are huge and easily target fired in the front.  Leading with immortals against anything besides siege tanks is a guaranteed way to get them killed with in the first 10 seconds of the engagement. "

" i feel like this thread might as well be written in chinese. "

 I got to masters on the US server with Protoss. Pvz being by far my best match up then pvt, pvp. "

I steal the two gas when I can. Unless against terran, because that force the enemy to do mass marines and I loose. :/

I've thought about playing starcraft but this thread intimidates and scares me, I'm gonna go