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    Team Fortress 2

    Game » consists of 12 releases. Released Oct 10, 2007

    The long-awaited sequel to the class-based first-person shooter Team Fortress Classic sports a unique cartoony visual style, more accessible gameplay, and a very large amount of updates and new features since its original release.

    The Kid Who Created Team Fortress 2's Controversial Anti-Free-to-Play Mod

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    #201  Edited By spctre

    The elitist jerk in me fucking loves this.

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    #202  Edited By PoweredByHentai

    At first I couldn't understand why people were so butthurt over the whole F2P aspect. But after reading what the creator has to say I kind of understand. It's not like it's hard to become a premium player anyways. It's your own prerogative whether you want to or not. 
     
    But it's not like the whole mod affects me in any way. I bought TF2 long ago.

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    #203  Edited By Hippolord

    Wow, awesome story get Patrick!

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    #204  Edited By Orbitz89

    ... I really, really dislike elitists.

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    #205  Edited By Dookysharpgun
    @Tim_the_Corsair said:
    @Dookysharpgun Nothing remotely "pseudo-intellectual" about my post. This is how I speak, whether it is in person or online, and I am generally polite even in situations where perhaps I shouldn't be. Furthermore, I read every comment in the thread upto the point where I posted, and have since caught up on everything posted since. I quoted that particular post as the one that highlighted what I was saying: your post was childish, as were your earlier and subsequent posts. You are correct that I don't know Ygg - indeed, I don't know whether I've even posted in the same thread as him/her before. That is immaterial to the fact that absolutely nothing he said was out of line or even really contentious, even if we might have differed on a few points. You, however, were so forceful and willfully antagonistic in your rambling diatribes that it caught my notice. Whether you and I share multiple beliefs on this topic or could even grow to be BFFs is completely immaterial to the matter at hand. You are freely admitting that you are playing a persona to get a rise out of people while simultaneously overreacting - and yes, you are overreacting enough that you are coming off as a raving lunatic - almost comically to well thought out, decent posts on a topic that is essentially a non-issue. There is a name for people who play personas on the Internet while manipulating people into getting angry: Troll. Now while I feel that word is tossed around too freely whenever someone has a differing point of view, the fact is that by playing a character for the purpose of causing anger, anything you have to say on this matter is rendered null and void. Your method is not how intelligent adults argue a point; it's how ignorant ones do it.
    And by the extension of your logic, shouldn't everyone have the same excuse for the way they talk? Again, totally and absolutely contradictory on your part, but I can see that arguing the point with you won't let you see that.
     
    Also, if you're going to overuse words to make yourself seem more intelligent than you actually are, do so in manner that doesn't show that fact so transparently. 
     
    I actually admitted to playing a persona to get a rise out of a single individual who was blindly shooting down other people's opinions, without actually giving an opinion of their own, simply put, I may have been, perhaps, 'trolling' a single, ignorant individual, but where I come from, we do that to put a stop to them. And I did so. Mission accomplished. 
     
    But I digress, if I was to put this in a simple to read post, for chaps such as yourself, it would be this: People who support this, are petulant children, who corrupted a perfectly nice outreach action by a developer, something the industry needs right now, to bring more people into their fold. The only solace I take from this situation, is that PC gaming is a bubble that is fairly close to bursting, and when that happens, these people will be lucky if they can act like such greedy, pathetic individuals, as their worlds crash around their ankles, and the rest of us can get back to our lives of dealing with pricks who argue over what FPS is better.
     
    Intelligent adults? Seriously, isn't that a matter of perspective...and  I would say that it is an opinion. A poor opinion. That sentence simply seeks to get a rise out of me, in some way, shape or form, to prove the accuser, you,  right, in your own little way. It benefits no one else but you. And therefore, if I put your logic forward once again: does that not make you, the 'troll'? Btw I hate that term, it's thrown around way too much by kids these days! "Oh look, someone with a somewhat more radical opinion than my own, they must be a troll, or a lunatic!" The funny thing is, 'trolls' come along to piss a lot of people off. I just aim to piss the ignorant off so the rest of us can get back to debating the topic at hand. Because, you know....forums tend to be about that!
     
    The truth be told, arguing with the likes of you is a lot of fun, you accuse and insult, because in some manner, my very existence has offended you in some way. I have no issue with that, but when you overlook underlying ideas that people could be raising, no matter what form they may take, you're actually just judging them and spitting on them from a moral high-horse. And to make matters even worse, the opinions I hold are the same as your own...so are you really saying that you dislike yourself? Or that someone has the nerve to share your opinions, but put them forward in a more vocal way? Besides, I've seen plenty of people of forums be shunned for making points everyone else might have had, but only because they said it in such a manner as to make the high-strung of said individuals dislike them, because they sullied their opinions. 
     
    You are clearly opinionated, with your own deeply rooted beliefs, and if you really thought I was so bad, that I am so ignorant and childish...why waste your time reading my posts, and replying to me, if you are so much better as a person,  because really, who describes themselves in a manner to people they don't think are worth a shit? Why did you feel the need to join in where other people just didn't give a shit, and left after they posted their opinions? What does that say about you, as a person? Someone like myself, we simply don't care, we argue the points, we get things done, and we move on. And I don't usually want or like saying this...but seriously dude, grow up, the picture you've painted of yourself cannot be taken seriously. I couldn't care less if you were the most polite man in the world, you're still not able to accept that people can, and always will have, different methods of getting their points across. Non-issue or not, this happened. IT HAPPENED. In this realm of reality, some people were so elitist, that they actually did this. For a videogame. Now that right there, complete and utter, sickening insanity. That is what I was talking about. You don't think it's a big issue, well good for you, you must feel so good about things then. But guess what? Other people, who actually back their opinions with more than 'kind' words and spineless talk, believe that this is disgusting, small matter or not. Maybe you are don't play consoles, and don't really keep up with the times, but to a lover of all consoles, hearing about something like this is still wrong, and deserves nothing less than a funny, well-structured, and entertaining insight of the world these people are coming from.  Why is that such a bad thing? But again, I digress, begin aging procedures, and realize that not everyone shares your old-school world view. Some of us are far too old for such a bobble-headedly optimistic world view.
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    #206  Edited By sreya92
    @Dookysharpgun said:
    @Tim_the_Corsair said:
    @Dookysharpgun Nothing remotely "pseudo-intellectual" about my post. This is how I speak, whether it is in person or online, and I am generally polite even in situations where perhaps I shouldn't be. Furthermore, I read every comment in the thread upto the point where I posted, and have since caught up on everything posted since. I quoted that particular post as the one that highlighted what I was saying: your post was childish, as were your earlier and subsequent posts. You are correct that I don't know Ygg - indeed, I don't know whether I've even posted in the same thread as him/her before. That is immaterial to the fact that absolutely nothing he said was out of line or even really contentious, even if we might have differed on a few points. You, however, were so forceful and willfully antagonistic in your rambling diatribes that it caught my notice. Whether you and I share multiple beliefs on this topic or could even grow to be BFFs is completely immaterial to the matter at hand. You are freely admitting that you are playing a persona to get a rise out of people while simultaneously overreacting - and yes, you are overreacting enough that you are coming off as a raving lunatic - almost comically to well thought out, decent posts on a topic that is essentially a non-issue. There is a name for people who play personas on the Internet while manipulating people into getting angry: Troll. Now while I feel that word is tossed around too freely whenever someone has a differing point of view, the fact is that by playing a character for the purpose of causing anger, anything you have to say on this matter is rendered null and void. Your method is not how intelligent adults argue a point; it's how ignorant ones do it.
    And by the extension of your logic, shouldn't everyone have the same excuse for the way they talk? Again, totally and absolutely contradictory on your part, but I can see that arguing the point with you won't let you see that.  Also, if you're going to overuse words to make yourself seem more intelligent than you actually are, do so in manner that doesn't show that fact so transparently.    I actually admitted to playing a persona to get a rise out of a single individual who was blindly shooting down other people's opinions, without actually giving an opinion of their own, simply put, I may have been, perhaps, 'trolling' a single, ignorant individual, but where I come from, we do that to put a stop to them. And I did so. Mission accomplished.   But I digress, if I was to put this in a simple to read post, for chaps such as yourself, it would be this: People who support this, are petulant children, who corrupted a perfectly nice outreach action by a developer, something the industry needs right now, to bring more people into their fold. The only solace I take from this situation, is that PC gaming is a bubble that is fairly close to bursting, and when that happens, these people will be lucky if they can act like such greedy, pathetic individuals, as their worlds crash around their ankles, and the rest of us can get back to our lives of dealing with pricks who argue over what FPS is better. Intelligent adults? Seriously, isn't that a matter of perspective...and  I would say that it is an opinion. A poor opinion. That sentence simply seeks to get a rise out of me, in some way, shape or form, to prove the accuser, you,  right, in your own little way. It benefits no one else but you. And therefore, if I put your logic forward once again: does that not make you, the 'troll'? Btw I hate that term, it's thrown around way too much by kids these days! "Oh look, someone with a somewhat more radical opinion than my own, they must be a troll, or a lunatic!" The funny thing is, 'trolls' come along to piss a lot of people off. I just aim to piss the ignorant off so the rest of us can get back to debating the topic at hand. Because, you know....forums tend to be about that!  The truth be told, arguing with the likes of you is a lot of fun, you accuse and insult, because in some manner, my very existence has offended you in some way. I have no issue with that, but when you overlook underlying ideas that people could be raising, no matter what form they may take, you're actually just judging them and spitting on them from a moral high-horse. And to make matters even worse, the opinions I hold are the same as your own...so are you really saying that you dislike yourself? Or that someone has the nerve to share your opinions, but put them forward in a more vocal way? Besides, I've seen plenty of people of forums be shunned for making points everyone else might have had, but only because they said it in such a manner as to make the high-strung of said individuals dislike them, because they sullied their opinions.   You are clearly opinionated, with your own deeply rooted beliefs, and if you really thought I was so bad, that I am so ignorant and childish...why waste your time reading my posts, and replying to me, if you are so much better as a person,  because really, who describes themselves in a manner to people they don't think are worth a shit? Why did you feel the need to join in where other people just didn't give a shit, and left after they posted their opinions? What does that say about you, as a person? Someone like myself, we simply don't care, we argue the points, we get things done, and we move on. And I don't usually want or like saying this...but seriously dude, grow up, the picture you've painted of yourself cannot be taken seriously. I couldn't care less if you were the most polite man in the world, you're still not able to accept that people can, and always will have, different methods of getting their points across. Non-issue or not, this happened. IT HAPPENED. In this realm of reality, some people were so elitist, that they actually did this. For a videogame. Now that right there, complete and utter, sickening insanity. That is what I was talking about. You don't think it's a big issue, well good for you, you must feel so good about things then. But guess what? Other people, who actually back their opinions with more than 'kind' words and spineless talk, believe that this is disgusting, small matter or not. Maybe you are don't play consoles, and don't really keep up with the times, but to a lover of all consoles, hearing about something like this is still wrong, and deserves nothing less than a funny, well-structured, and entertaining insight of the world these people are coming from.  Why is that such a bad thing? But again, I digress, begin aging procedures, and realize that not everyone shares your old-school world view. Some of us are far too old for such a bobble-headedly optimistic world view.
    ...I think this wins for longest response post ever. I mean dear god why don't you both write a book on how much you hate each other
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    #207  Edited By Spike94
    @Tim_the_Corsair said:

    @Dookysharpgun Nothing remotely "pseudo-intellectual" about my post. This is how I speak, whether it is in person or online, and I am generally polite even in situations where perhaps I shouldn't be. Furthermore, I read every comment in the thread upto the point where I posted, and have since caught up on everything posted since. I quoted that particular post as the one that highlighted what I was saying: your post was childish, as were your earlier and subsequent posts.

    You are correct that I don't know Ygg - indeed, I don't know whether I've even posted in the same thread as him/her before. That is immaterial to the fact that absolutely nothing he said was out of line or even really contentious, even if we might have differed on a few points. You, however, were so forceful and willfully antagonistic in your rambling diatribes that it caught my notice.

    Whether you and I share multiple beliefs on this topic or could even grow to be BFFs is completely immaterial to the matter at hand. You are freely admitting that you are playing a persona to get a rise out of people while simultaneously overreacting - and yes, you are overreacting enough that you are coming off as a raving lunatic - almost comically to well thought out, decent posts on a topic that is essentially a non-issue.

    There is a name for people who play personas on the Internet while manipulating people into getting angry: Troll. 

    Now while I feel that word is tossed around too freely whenever someone has a differing point of view, the fact is that by playing a character for the purpose of causing anger, anything you have to say on this matter is rendered null and void.

    Your method is not how intelligent adults argue a point; it's how ignorant ones do it.
               


    I freakin love this post. Well done, sir, and thanks for the laughs. No offence to Dooky or anything, but yeah... 
     
    Anyway yes: F2P TF2 is a wonderful thing and I love it. The more the merrier, right? Although I do believe that a server owner can run his/her sever however the crap he/she pleases unless Valve says otherwise (such as if they put a stop to this mod, which I don't think they'll do). It's weird how this can almost be taken as a metaphor for politics and how one views government...The server owners are business owners and Valve are the powers that be! 
     
    EDIT: Didn't mean for all that to be italicized at the top but it acts weird on my screen. Tried to remove it...I'll see if it works when I post. 
    EDIT: Yeah nothing doing...
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    #208  Edited By iam3green

    when i heard that tf2 was going to be free, i was a little disappointed with that. i bought it for when it was on sale one time, but i also had it for xbox 360. the good it brings more players around.

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    #209  Edited By LordElkDeer

    Meh, I bought it years ago. the $20 I paid for it doesn't matter to me now, and the influx of noobs that don't know ho to play can be fun, eh? :P
     
    Also. I Was Here.

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    #210  Edited By WilliamRLBaker

    Decided to edit since not all pc users are elitest pricks. 
     
    Ahhh PC gaming creating elitest pricks since the 80's. 
    How dare they not have instant god like skill with this game like I did I shall make it so they cannot play on my servers. 
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    #211  Edited By cooldevi

    Great article!
    I dont mind F2P on Team Fortress, I've bought the game less than a year ago, I spent 13 euros on it and I haven't even played that much since. Its a great game, and Valve knows it and they like us to be pleased! It's the best company for pc gamers and we shouldn't complain, we should support them because they're the one of the few who still fully support us!

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    #212  Edited By ShinjiEx

    What a douche... I play on official servers anyways ^__^

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    #213  Edited By Shinobiolium

    I'd say it's up to the private server owners. They pay for their own servers, so they get to do what they want on them. It's not like it'll have a huge impact seeing as how there are literally thousands of servers available for the public. I couldn't imagine how frustrating it is to have to continuously ban dozens people for item begging if I were an admin.

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    #214  Edited By KennyIsMe93

    Never really cared about TF2 anyway.

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    #215  Edited By DystopiaX

    @Shinobiolium said:

    I'd say it's up to the private server owners. They pay for their own servers, so they get to do what they want on them. It's not like it'll have a huge impact seeing as how there are literally thousands of servers available for the public. I couldn't imagine how frustrating it is to have to continuously ban dozens people for item begging if I were an admin.

    I don't particularly care about TF2, but I'd have to say that if I had to play tons of noobs in a game I had invested hundreds if not thousands of hours into I'd get pissed as well. Not sure that warrants essentially banning them all but I can kind of see where they're coming from.

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    #216  Edited By BitterAlmond

    I don't mind that it's free-to-play, I mind the in-game Mann Co. store. I uninstalled that shit the day they tried to sell me a fucking hat. I was disgusted the day they turned a game I always saw as the perfect example of how to run a fun, functional online game into another korean-style microtransaction-powered cash cow. There ought to be a mod that kicks anyone who HAS purchased something from the TF2 store.

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    #217  Edited By lockwoodx

    Good for him. Kick those mouth-breathing xboxLive scrubs who ditched their gold memberships so they could mooch off steam's generosity. F2P doesn't have to mean a lower caliber of game quality, but it always means a lower caliber of human quality.

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    #218  Edited By Colonel_Fury

    Games are ... fun?

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    #219  Edited By trident523

    Server owners can do what they do.

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    #220  Edited By tim_the_corsair
    @BitterAlmond Those items that don't alter the game at all sure are ruining it, hey?

    I just don't get this sort of comment at all
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    #221  Edited By Trodorne

    i find it strange that we as a society have to put emphasis on paying monthly into a game which entertains us for a couple hours at a time. especially anything that has an online aspect to it. when it comes to technology and games. There will always be people trying to play a game for free. And heaven forbid that people do not make money on games, I guess that would mean people would end up going outside to play or maybe read a book. GASP! If people want to play then let them. what he made was something of his own choice, cause he chose to boot people who did not pay. There is always going to be players others do not like at all so what good will it do to cut down on the quality of the players. You will always get that kid who is 9 years old using their parents card who has access to online play and just kill someones buzz.

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