How Will It End? (Spoilers for previous episodes)

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#1 Posted by colourful_hippie (5764 posts) -

Now with ep. 4 out of the way how do you think 5 will play out? I'm still gathering my thoughts after just finishing 4 and dealing with the whole you're fucked thing.

I'm guessing you have to end up rejoining with Clem before you die, right? If she's still alive...(she has to be!) After that my guess is that she leaves with your friends while you're left behind to off yourself or just sit there.

The things that interests me the most is what happens to the people who ended up alone with no help. That must suck ass.

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#2 Posted by breadfan (6803 posts) -

Lee dies never finding Clementine and you finish the game as her.

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#3 Posted by notdavid (878 posts) -

We're going to find out that Vernon has closer ties to Lee and the group than just being the guy on the radio. How long has he been watching them? What's his relation to Clementine?

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#4 Posted by hbkdx12 (800 posts) -

A good theory that i've seen other people post is that clementine is basically going to have to choose between Lee and (the promise of) her parents based on the decisions you've made in the game as a whole and how you've treated her. 
 
@notdavid: Was it ever stated that vernon was the voice on the radio? 

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#5 Edited by colourful_hippie (5764 posts) -

@hbkdx12 said:

A good theory that i've seen other people post is that clementine is basically going to have to choose between Lee and (the promise of) her parents based on the decisions you've made in the game as a whole and how you've treated her.

@notdavid: Was it ever stated that vernon was the voice on the radio?

Why would she ever go with Lee at this point now that he's bit? It's not certain that he will die but it's most likely and at the end of 4 the guy on the radio straight up says that he's not Vernon. I don't see any reason to not believe him.

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#6 Edited by M_Shini (571 posts) -

Vernon isnt the guy on the radio.

@hbkdx12 said:

A good theory that i've seen other people post is that clementine is basically going to have to choose between Lee and (the promise of) her parents based on the decisions you've made in the game as a whole and how you've treated her.

i agree with this, all that trust and decisions when speaking to her will obviously end up adding up in some way since they haven't had any influenced yet, looking at it from a boring game mechanic perspective.

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#7 Posted by Milkman (19020 posts) -
@Breadfan said:
Lee dies never finding Clementine and you finish the game as her.
I think he'll find her but I agree on finishing the game as Clem. WHAT IF...you play as Clem and she's the one who has to kill Lee.  
 
@hbkdx12 said: 
@notdavid: Was it ever stated that vernon was the voice on the radio? 
No and I'm pretty sure he's not the voice on the radio. 
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#8 Posted by colourful_hippie (5764 posts) -

@Milkman said:

@Breadfan said:
Lee dies never finding Clementine and you finish the game as her.
I think he'll find her but I agree on finishing the game as Clem. WHAT IF...you play as Clem and she's the one who has to kill Lee.

Guaranteed GoTY for me if that happens!

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#9 Posted by Metric_Outlaw (1201 posts) -

The voice text was like a yellowish orange. Has anyone else had that color voice text?

Also I don't think you play as Clem until the sequel.

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#10 Posted by hbkdx12 (800 posts) -
@Colourful_Hippie: It depends on what other option she's presented with. 
 
Arbitrarily speaking, lets say her parents are alive and at the end of the game, Clem has to make the decision to have you come with her and her folks or leave you behind based on her parents insistence.  In a situation like that, i could see it playing out where if you were good to Clem and the people around her that she fights and argues with her parents tooth and nail to bring you along vs. if you've been pretty shitty then she'll regretfully listen to her parents. 
 
Something like that. 
 
Plus i wholeheartedly believe that even if she knew Lee was bit she'd still stick by him until she physically couldn't. But again, her making a decision like that could easily be based on how quick you were kill people/let them die and be mean and things like that.
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#11 Edited by CL60 (17117 posts) -

I think Lee will turn into a zombie and you will have to play as Clementine and shoot Lee. Or you just wont play as Clem, and the end will just be Clem shooting Lee.

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#12 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19844 posts) -

Gary Whitta has stated that episode 5 is being written by Sean Vanaman, writer of episodes 1 and 3 (two of my favorite episodes), so I have high hopes for what's next.

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#13 Edited by Phatmac (5931 posts) -

Your whole crew will die and Lee will save Clem from whoever the voice on the radio is. The last moments of the game will be you with Clem discussing your bite and what'll happen next. Either Clem will have to shoot Lee or you get the choice to kill yourself. I don't know what'll happen but I guarantee that your party will die if you bring them with you. I'm certain of this due to having the option of going by yourself so everyone except Clem is indispensable. It's going to be brutal for sure.

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#14 Edited by mrfluke (5955 posts) -
@Phatmac said:

The last moments of the game will be you with Clem discussing your bite and what'll happen next. Either Clem will have to shoot Lee or you get the choice to kill yourself.

this i agree with,  that seems like the thing that will happen, and mann if they pull it off properly, its going to be a serious emotional powerhouse of a finale. which could easily make this game GOTY, or most definitely win Best Story
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#15 Posted by mrfluke (5955 posts) -

cause i incidentally told clem that we were going to go on the boat and forget about her parents, and she started crying, and then the fucking game broke me.

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#16 Posted by golguin (5349 posts) -

I feel that the number of people you take to the finale will be your extra lives. It will play out like a crazy relay race where people will keep sacrificing themselves/dying to get Lee to the final goal. The twist lies in the fact that Lee wont be the last person to make it to Clem, but will instead come back as a zombie and kill the last person that's currently with Clem. It's at that moment that you will take control of Clem and have to kill Lee.

If you only have Lee with you then he'll make it as far as a full group and end up barely alive as he reaches Clem. In that scenario Clem will have to decide to kill you while still a human or once you turn.

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#17 Posted by mrfluke (5955 posts) -
@golguin: thats a pretty genius scenario.
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#18 Posted by Xpgamer7 (2480 posts) -

The whole bite thing surprised me but after episode 3's barrage it's hard to phase me. I think Lee will find a new character in charge of another group who actually does know where clementine's parents are. Whether he's got them as part of his group, mental sanity and whether her parents are even alive is questionable.

But hearing this makes me really excited, as I'd have to agree on the episode quality chart.(Personal opinion only)

@FluxWaveZ said:

Gary Whitta has stated that episode 5 is being written by Sean Vanaman, writer of episodes 1 and 3 (two of my favorite episodes), so I have high hopes for what's next.

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#19 Posted by mrfluke (5955 posts) -
@golguin: the whole having zombie lee killing the last person, could potentially be hokey if they dont pull it off properly though.
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#20 Posted by kishinfoulux (3290 posts) -

Have they stated whether Season 2 will have a whole new cast of characters? I thought I had read that. If so it makes sense for everyone to die or just go off on their own.

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#21 Posted by colourful_hippie (5764 posts) -

@FluxWaveZ said:

Gary Whitta has stated that episode 5 is being written by Sean Vanaman, writer of episodes 1 and 3 (two of my favorite episodes), so I have high hopes for what's next.

Sweet. Those were some strong episodes, I was about to write off 4 if it wasn't for the whole you're gonna be a zombie and Clem getting taken away.

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#22 Posted by Skanker (284 posts) -

Lee won't turn into a zombie, they'll cut off his hand to stop the infection from spreading and he'll have a "near death" moment from losing a goddamn limb, cue to him and Clem (where are the others?) on a boat sailing into the sunset. Calling it!

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#23 Posted by RedSox8933 (2501 posts) -

@Colourful_Hippie: I chose to go alone (for a number of reasons, mainly just because I was still sort of in shock, and after I hid the bite I felt like I was totally alone and emotionally separated from the group) and I'm kind of loving it. It's not going to end well, that's for sure, but it's a completely unique experience and seems like a poetic way to end the season.

@Milkman said:

@Breadfan said:
Lee dies never finding Clementine and you finish the game as her.
I think he'll find her but I agree on finishing the game as Clem. WHAT IF...you play as Clem and she's the one who has to kill Lee.

And as far as the ending goes, I can't picture a more perfect and heartbreaking ending than this, especially for those of us who went alone. It would be extremely difficult to deal with, but if Telltale has the storytelling chops to pull something like that off? That would be fucking INCREDIBLE.

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#24 Posted by RedSox8933 (2501 posts) -

I mostly just hope it ends on a believable (read: pitch fucking black) note. I'm all for a semblance of hope being present at the end, but they have got to do justice to this fantastic story they have created.

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#25 Edited by RandyF (198 posts) -

I don't like the idea of playing as Clementine. Never once did you ever control anyone other than Lee, so I think it would be silly to switch the player's character at the last possible minute. Unless they play it off as Lee training Clem to deal with the world as it is and now the player gets passed onto Clementine. I could see that if they make it so you play as Clementine in Season 2, which I think could be interesting.

Either way, I don't think it's going to be a happy ending. And I mean happy in relative terms. I don't think Lee and Clementine are going to have a heartwarming goodbye. I just can't see it happening with how crappy everything else has been (in terms of trauma and darkness).

I could see Lee, who now knows his days are numbered, sacrificing himself to save Clementine in some way. Maybe he jumps in front of a bullet that would hit Clementine or he uses himself as bait to lead a horde of zombies away so Clementine will be safe. Or maybe you have a choice whether or not to do something like that.

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#26 Posted by papercut (4124 posts) -

How will it end? Poorly.

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#27 Posted by TheHumanDove (2520 posts) -

I think in the end, Lee asks Clem to shoot him, closing the chapter and giving her the final training

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#28 Posted by Klei (1798 posts) -

Well, it's obvious that Lee dies.

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#29 Posted by vikingdeath1 (1241 posts) -

@Metric_Outlaw: Flash forward a few years so she's more capable? or continuing with her still a child? cause I like your idea.

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#30 Posted by kishinfoulux (3290 posts) -

@TheHumanDove said:

I think in the end, Lee asks Clem to shoot him, closing the chapter and giving her the final training

Only then, by killing someone she loves, can she unlock her Mangekyou Sharingan. >_>

@vikingdeath1 said:

@Metric_Outlaw: Flash forward a few years so she's more capable? or continuing with her still a child? cause I like your idea.

Maybe season 2 you play as "grown up" Clem. That'd be pretty cool.

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#31 Posted by Red (6146 posts) -

I don't know what leads up to it, but it ends with you shifting to Clementine and shooting zombie Lee.

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#32 Edited by Sessh (3009 posts) -

While I still have some hope on Lee surviving because of someone finally saying "just cut off your fucking arm", I'm thinking that, yes, he will die and, yes, Clem will be to one to off him after turning.
 
Now I'm just hoping that Clem will NOT go 

  • with Christa and Omid, just because Christa, who is obviously pregnant, wants to get a head start at playing mommy.
  • with Kenny because he didn't even help Lee in my game.
  • with her parents, who miraculously turn up alive. (That would be way to cheesy.)
  • with Vernon, who just pissed me off, overstepping his boundaries in telling Lee what to do with Clem.
  • with Ben, cause come on! (Should have just let him die.)

So I guess there's really not that many options that will please me in the end. I'd be okay with Molly, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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#33 Edited by Zimbo (872 posts) -

I think Molly is going to make a reappearance in episode 5 and will hopefully take Clem with her after Lee dies. I'm sure Molly could be persuaded since she used to have a younger sister and all. She could also teach Clem how to be even more badass than normal.

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#34 Edited by rihanna (92 posts) -

I hope it ends with the revelation that Kenny, and not Lee, was the leader (protagonist) the entire time. The story was really about Kenny's journey, and not Lee and Clem's journey.

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#35 Posted by Nottle (1933 posts) -

@Zimbo said:

I think Molly is going to make a reappearance in episode 5 and will hopefully take Clem with her after Lee dies. I'm sure Molly could be persuaded since she used to have a younger sister and all. She could also teach Clem how to be even more badass than normal.

Molly has to pop up right? That has to happen. She's the video games Michonne.

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#36 Posted by rockinkemosabe (653 posts) -

I think Vernon took his group to the train to use it to leave Savannah.

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#37 Posted by LucVargas (21 posts) -

I think the theory of Lee killing himself/getting killed by Clem is very possible. After that I think Clem will be adopted by Christa and Omid and they will escape on Kenny's boat, their fates unknown. It is The Walking Dead we're talking about, so it would be kind jarring seeing a happy ending. I'm hoping for a more bittersweet ending.

I find it really hard for Kenny to survive this episode. No idea about the rest of the characters.

Then again, Telltale could always surprise us.

@RockinKemosabe said:

I think Vernon took his group to the train to use it to leave Savannah.

Ooooooh shit, that's right! There was that bit of dialogue, wasn't there? Yeah, the train will probably play role in Episode 5.

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#38 Edited by ChadMasterFlash (1000 posts) -

Lee wakes up in the back of the police car. On his way to prison they see police cars speeding towards Atlanta and then they hit the zombie in the road, when lee wakes up after the crash he shoots himself.

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#39 Posted by CL60 (17117 posts) -

@Nottle said:

@Zimbo said:

I think Molly is going to make a reappearance in episode 5 and will hopefully take Clem with her after Lee dies. I'm sure Molly could be persuaded since she used to have a younger sister and all. She could also teach Clem how to be even more badass than normal.

Molly has to pop up right? That has to happen. She's the video games Michonne.

She can die so I doubt she will have a huge role.

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#40 Edited by myketuna (1930 posts) -

@Breadfan said:

Lee dies never finding Clementine and you finish the game as her.

Very close to what I was thinking. I would add that Clementine is the one who puts "walker Lee" down. And either, Clementine continues alone (if they want something a little more dark, but not cliche that Clementine dies) or Clementine gets back with "the group" and goes on surviving with them (but doesn't ever find her parents).

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#41 Posted by Nottle (1933 posts) -

@CL60 said:

@Nottle said:

@Zimbo said:

I think Molly is going to make a reappearance in episode 5 and will hopefully take Clem with her after Lee dies. I'm sure Molly could be persuaded since she used to have a younger sister and all. She could also teach Clem how to be even more badass than normal.

Molly has to pop up right? That has to happen. She's the video games Michonne.

She can die so I doubt she will have a huge role.

She can? When?

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#42 Posted by CL60 (17117 posts) -

@Nottle said:

@CL60 said:

@Nottle said:

@Zimbo said:

I think Molly is going to make a reappearance in episode 5 and will hopefully take Clem with her after Lee dies. I'm sure Molly could be persuaded since she used to have a younger sister and all. She could also teach Clem how to be even more badass than normal.

Molly has to pop up right? That has to happen. She's the video games Michonne.

She can die so I doubt she will have a huge role.

She can? When?

When the walker grabs her and you have to shoot it(Or let clem shoot it.) You can miss and hit Molly.

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#43 Posted by Nottle (1933 posts) -

@CL60 said:

@Nottle said:

@CL60 said:

@Nottle said:

@Zimbo said:

I think Molly is going to make a reappearance in episode 5 and will hopefully take Clem with her after Lee dies. I'm sure Molly could be persuaded since she used to have a younger sister and all. She could also teach Clem how to be even more badass than normal.

Molly has to pop up right? That has to happen. She's the video games Michonne.

She can die so I doubt she will have a huge role.

She can? When?

When the walker grabs her and you have to shoot it(Or let clem shoot it.) You can miss and hit Molly.

It doesn't go to a game over or anything?

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#44 Posted by Milkman (19020 posts) -
@Nottle said:

@CL60 said:

@Nottle said:

@CL60 said:

@Nottle said:

@Zimbo said:

I think Molly is going to make a reappearance in episode 5 and will hopefully take Clem with her after Lee dies. I'm sure Molly could be persuaded since she used to have a younger sister and all. She could also teach Clem how to be even more badass than normal.

Molly has to pop up right? That has to happen. She's the video games Michonne.

She can die so I doubt she will have a huge role.

She can? When?

When the walker grabs her and you have to shoot it(Or let clem shoot it.) You can miss and hit Molly.

It doesn't go to a game over or anything?

Can anyone confirm this? I'm fairly sure she can't die.
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#45 Posted by JasonR86 (10182 posts) -

It'll likely be up to the player. I'm going to try to swing it where I save Clementine, have a nice heart-felt goodbye, and let someone off me before I turn.

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#46 Posted by The_Ruiner (1674 posts) -

it will end with you crawling towards something... Metal Gear Solid 4 style...

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#47 Edited by AndrewB (7815 posts) -
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#48 Posted by benjaebe (2871 posts) -

While I could definitely see it ending with Clementine shooting Lee, I almost hope they do something else that I'm not expecting to happen. They set it up well enough in Ep 4 that I didn't expect Lee to get bit, at least not in this episode, so I'm hoping they can do something to at least make it unexpected or not as predictable as "Lee turns and Clementine shoots him roll credits." Don't get me wrong, it would still be a great ending, but still.

At the very least, provided Lee keeps himself healthy, he could probably last a few days if not a bit longer with that bite. In the comics Jim lasted a few days and he was missing a huge chunk of his arm - it's not the bite that kills you, but rather the massive infection you get from the bite. Lee doesn't look like he got more than a minor bite, so he definitely has some time.

I would almost be kind of into the idea of it ending on a cliffhanger, where you find Clem and Lee is sick but not quite dying and Season 2 picks up from there, provided they plan on keeping the same cast of characters.

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#49 Posted by BigSteve1983 (76 posts) -

For me I think the end of the season will be you save Clem and as they get to the boat lee starts to get taken ill with the Zombieness and then it will come up with the four options which I could see being:

Clem, run (Lee shoots himself)

Clem shoots Lee

Clem caves Lee's skull in with a hammer (a call back to when they first met)

.... (which leads to Lee feasting on Clem)

I honestly cannot see it ending well in Episode five. I mean the comics have a known history of killing off characters and I could see one or maybe all of them dying.

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#50 Posted by Driam (207 posts) -

Lee eats it, Clem doesn't and none of the cast returns in season two so that they don't have to take the players' choices into consideration.

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