Have wii "hardcore" fans let nintendo down and not the other way around? Madworld , house of the dead , the conduit and many more are games made for the hardcore fans and, since they keep wineing about how there is nothing to play on the system but these games were made for you they should have sold more copy's if you are a " hardcore " fan. what do you people think have fans let nintendo down and NOT the other way around.

I don't really consider Madworld, House of the Dead, and The Conduit to be good games! I did pick up and play through the remake of RE 1, and RE 4 Wii edition though.

Joke topic?   I hope so or this is seriously this is the stupidest thing I've read in a while.

That would be Sega dude. Not Nintendo. Nintendo doesn't give a fuck.

So your saying that Nintendo fans have let Nintendo down because they did not buy House of the Dead or any of the other various on rails shooter games? 
 
You cannot deny the fact that the Wii lacks game titles for people who are looking for more than a mini game collection

Yes, the "hardcore" have let Sega/Nintendo down. They're always bitching about having less mini games and more "real" games, then once they arrive they refuse to buy them.

If by 'hardcore' you mean 18-35 year olds, to be fair they are not Nintendo's current demographic. Nintendo produces Mario, Zelda and Metroid for this group, Sega produces the mature Games like the ones you've mentioned, which leaves the rest of Nintendo, EA and practically every small developer ever to produce game for the current demographic, the under 10's and the over 50's, and rake in all that cash.
 
I'm not hating on Nintendo, but I never grew up with a NES or SNES, the characters mean nothing to me, and without that I'm just a grown man playing game after game full of cute talking animals/monsters with googly eyes.

I'm fine with the Wii as it is, with a few great games with refreshing controls interspersed with shovelware I'm free to ignore but which does in fact make gaming more acceptable in the public eye. The companies make money, gamers become less marginalized, and I still get the same schedule of good games over time as I had with the GameCube, when everyone was complaining about NOT ENOUGH games.

Why is this a stupid question?  I think it's a good one because those who only own a Wii and consider themselves "hardcore" are always demanding for "hardcore" games yet they don't buy them when they actually come out.  I guess some developers associate hardcore with violence and sex, though, which is not accurate.  But there are "hardcore" games such as Deadly Creatures or no More Heroes that came out and were not successful.  I don't think "hardcore" is what the Wii fans are really asking for when they say that.  When they say "hardcore", it's actually a translation for Mario, Metroid, Zelda or any of those franchises.  I think they just want more of the same, and that, to me, is dissapointing.

" Yes, the "hardcore" have let Sega/Nintendo down. They're always bitching about having less mini games and more "real" games, then once they arrive they refuse to buy them. "

I can see where you're going with this, but... well, I think you've oversimplified the issue. I don't really see it as anyone letting anyone else down, anyway.
 
I don't personally begrudge Nintendo for pursuing the new casual market so aggressively. I simply recognize that perhaps Nintendo and I are moving in two very different directions, and that I should probably look elsewhere for entertainment during this console cycle and maybe the next as well. Without bitching, whining and/or screaming. Why is this so hard for people to do?

In my opinion based of the games you site as the reason, no. I have all three games you mention. Firstly Madworld was kinda shit in the end and House of the Dead was alright but nothing special. I got bored of both those games pretty quickly so I don't blame people for not wanting to play those two games. The Conduit I do have as I mentioned but I haven't played it yet so I can't say how good it is or isn't. People have every right to complain that the Wii doesn't have enough titles for core gamers when the few that do come out are largely average. I like my Wii, I get plenty of use out of it but not for the kinds of titles you mention.

" I can see where you're going with this, but... well, I think you've oversimplified the issue. I don't really see it as anyone letting anyone else down, anyway.  I don't personally begrudge Nintendo for pursuing the new casual market so aggressively. I simply recognize that perhaps Nintendo and I are moving in two very different directions, and that I should probably look elsewhere for entertainment during this console cycle and maybe the next as well. Without bitching, whining and/or screaming. Why is this so hard for people to do? "

" In my opinion based of the games you site as the reason, no. I have all three games you mention. Firstly Madworld was kinda shit in the end and House of the Dead was alright but nothing special. I got bored of both those games pretty quickly so I don't blame people for not wanting to play those two games. The Conduit I do have as I mentioned but I haven't played it yet so I can't say how good it is or isn't. People have every right to complain that the Wii doesn't have enough titles for core gamers when the few that do come out are largely average. I like my Wii, I get plenty of use out of it but not for the kinds of titles you mention. "

This hardcore and casual stuff is bullshit, good games sell through word of mouth and good marketing. The games you mentioned do not fit the bill. I honestly think that they dont even match the quality titles on the Wii. "Hardcore" people are such a minority out of the consumer pie, I flabbergasted by the fact that a company like SEGA even give a shit and are naive enough to think that this might do well.
 
If you are angry about what the Wii is getting you just don't buy it, vote with the wallet. Apparently consumers choose not to embrace these games and as a consumer you have no frickin' obligation to a HUGE company like Sega and you're not letting anyone down by not buying them. Also it's not Nintendo's fault that their current userbase does not want these games, they are pumping out games that the average internet game nerd (like me) would not buy and they're making money. Good for them, they don't owe you anything.
 
There are so many choices for games these days that it's amazing how people cling to a company even though the product does not satisfy their needs it seems. Blind fucking loyalty. Amazing really.

" @CharlieTuna: non of us are complaining we are all simply stating how we feel "

Because a majority of the "hardcore" games are shit. That's why people complain.

When "hardcore" Nintendo fans ask for hardcore wii games, they aren't asking for forced-edgy stuff like Madworld. No, they are asking for yet more installments of Zelda and Mario, because in the end that is the only reason any of us actually bought the console after Wii Sports got old. (Yes, that may be overgeneralizing, but it's true for me at least.)

I have had a blast this summer with the Wii. Those games you mentioned caught my attention, but in the end, I wasn't really interested. I'm the same way with my Xbox 360 though. I said no to Resident Evil 5, Prototype and not to mention my non interest in older games like Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, Gears of War 1 and 2. Now give me some more Dawn of Discovery for the Wii and I'm a go, great game, been playing it since it came out.

.....I read the thread and all I have to say is..."What?"

" @AgentJ: "Shit" was probably a little harsh to be fair. Nothing was specifically broken with the game. Tthe ideas the game put forth were interesting, I was genuinely excited to play this game prior to it's release as it was one of the few games I have bothered to pre-order so I could get the sound track to go with it. But I found once I started playing it none of it was really presented to me in a way that made the game compelling for me. The style of the game was good I'll give it that, I really liked the way it looked but beyond that it all went down hill for me from there. The game play was exciting and satisfying at first but I too quickly got disenchanted with it. I found the music and the special commentary to be annoying as hell (which is too bad since I pre-ordered specifically to get the sound track) the whole Greg Proops thing was WAY over sold for me. Then to top it all off it's bundled in with a story and characters I just failed to have interest in at all. Promise and a cool art style don't justify the hour or two maximum I spent playing this game for the price I paid for admission. "

There may be "hardcore" games on Wii but most of them havent appealed to me. Though I loved RE4 Wii (having never played the original Gamecube or Ps2 Releases) I couldent bear MadWorld (the gameplay seemed cool but it turned my stomach), I dont really like Light Gun Shooters (so HOTD is out) and The Conduit seemed fun but ive got enough FPS's to play and dont enjoy most Wii fps's because it feels very inaccurate for me.

" Yes, the "hardcore" have let Sega/Nintendo down. They're always bitching about having less mini games and more "real" games, then once they arrive they refuse to buy them. "

" @Emilio said:

" Yes, the "hardcore" have let Sega/Nintendo down. They're always bitching about having less mini games and more "real" games, then once they arrive they refuse to buy them. "

That's not fair.  The majority of these "hardcore" games are on rails shooters, that don't appeal to very many people to begin with..  Games like Madworld were very average, short and had little replay value.  It's the equivalent of saying hardcore gamers let the PS3 down for not buying Haze or Liar.  People want hardcore games on the Wii, but they have to be good, ala Smash Brothers, Super Mario Galaxy, Zach & Wiki, etc.. "

" I have had a blast this summer with the Wii. Those games you mentioned caught my attention, but in the end, I wasn't really interested. I'm the same way with my Xbox 360 though. I said no to Resident Evil 5, Prototype and not to mention my non interest in older games like Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, Gears of War 1 and 2. Now give me some more Dawn of Discovery for the Wii and I'm a go, great game, been playing it since it came out. "

1. Super Mario Galaxy 
2. Mario Kart Wii 
3. Super Paper Mario 
4. Battalion Wars 2 
5. Zelda: Twilught Princess 
6. Wario Land Shake It 
7. WarioWare Smooth Moves 
8. Super Smash Bros Brawl 
9. Mario Strikers Charged 
10. Metroid Prime 3 Corruption 
11. Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn (which I still need to get dammit)
12. Punch Out!  (which I also need to get)

" @WinterSnowblind said:

" @Emilio said:

" Yes, the "hardcore" have let Sega/Nintendo down. They're always bitching about having less mini games and more "real" games, then once they arrive they refuse to buy them. "

That's not fair.  The majority of these "hardcore" games are on rails shooters, that don't appeal to very many people to begin with..  Games like Madworld were very average, short and had little replay value.  It's the equivalent of saying hardcore gamers let the PS3 down for not buying Haze or Liar.  People want hardcore games on the Wii, but they have to be good, ala Smash Brothers, Super Mario Galaxy, Zach & Wiki, etc.. "

The majority? So far there are TWO ( 2 ) House of the Dead titles, TWO ( 2 ) Resident Evil on rails titles, one of which isn't even out yet, and ONE ( 1 ) Dead Space title which is also not out yet. Then you have other titles like MadWorld, Wario Land,  No More Heroes, Medal of Honor, Call of Duty, The Conduit, Punch-Out, and people go ahead to ignore those. I'm pretty sure Little King's Story and Muramasa will do poorly in the long run, and even something like Tatsunoko vs Capcom or Monster Hunter 3 might bring in fewer players. Some folks just need to understand that not every game has to be CoD or Gears in order to be a quality title. "

Oh, there's a huge number of people playing these games, it's just that not very many buy them.
 
Getting a Wii console to play .ISOs off a DVDR or USB harddrive is unbelievably easy.

Making a game that is rated M for the Wii isn't enough to get people to flock all over it....its not even about that. It's about the games actually being top notch undoubtedly..high quality games that everyone just needs to play. None of what you named are that great at all.

 high quality games that everyone just needs to play. None of what you named are that great at all

None of the "hardcore" titles on the Wii have been good. I can only think of 1 game that even had decent multiplayer. And the campaign still sucked.

" @Claude said:

 
I think the term "hardcore" should be replaced with "traditional gamer" as that seems more appropriate...

I'm not going to buy a shitty game because it's "hardcore".

Nintendo had no part in the games you've mentioned. As far as Nintendo goes, their first and second party games have been coming more frequently then any generation before it. They have delivered big time for the Wii and E3 confirmed they're not slowing down. Third party support for the Wii is just starting to gain momentum. With exclusives like The Demon Blade, Tats vs Capcom, Monster Hunter 3, Shattered Memories and Dragon Quest X, more developers are taking notice and looking for ways to reach the "traditional" market.
 
As far as the games you've mentioned... I was hoping the Conduit would have been more unique to the FPS genre. Maybe more adventurous gameplay then the usual outings. Unfortunately, it was nothing more then a failed showpiece of what the Wii can (or can't) do graphically. Mad World was pretty good as far as style, but when you stripped it down the combat was simple and repetative. It was a short experience, as well. Finally, House of the Dead is what it is... an on-rails shooter.
 
These games in my opinion are nothing to be grateful for. Decent games, but "traditional" players want great games, not games that try too hard to be "hardcore". Sadly, I was disappointed by Platinum Games latest.
 
Edit: Does anyone have the sales numbers? I would assume they're not that bad.

I'm just gonna echo that the reason these "hardcore" games failed so miserably is that none of them are of the quality where they *should* be top sellers. I'm not going to buy a game just because it is different, for Wii standards. You can't go in building a game for a particular audience while just phoning it in unless you are prepared for shit sales figures.

I'm sorry, but you need to mention good games first in order to make a proper argument.  In any case, I think a large part of this "hardcore" fanbase you are talking about already gave up on the wii before any of those titles came out.  If there isnt that many people to buy your "hardcore" titles than they arent going to sell very well, eh?