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BioWare Agrees to Do Something About That Mass Effect 3 Ending That a Bunch of People Are Angry About

Dr. Ray releases a statement promising clarification of the ending to Mass Effect 3.

I don't think any of these clarifications will explain Tali's face being a stock photo.
I don't think any of these clarifications will explain Tali's face being a stock photo.

It's physically impossible to step figurative foot onto any Internet forum or blog dedicated to video games of late without seeing some kind of commentary on Mass Effect 3's various endings. There are those who hate those endings, those who hate them with the fiery passion of a thousand suns, and also apparently a few people who either don't mind them or are--*gasp*--totally cool with them. But as with all things on the Internet, the fiery passion of a thousand suns folk generally tend to dominate these discussions, which has made the last couple of weeks exceedingly uncomfortable for anyone who just wanted to talk about Mass Effect without getting shouted at by angry people.

Presumably, BioWare would have to be among those most exhausted with getting shouted at, because lord have they been shouted at loudly and frequently lo these last couple of weeks. With petitions popping up demanding the ending be changed, and even some crazy person filing an FTC complaint claiming false advertising, the developer has been getting it from all ends. So it is perhaps unsurprising that Dr. Ray Muzyka took to the BioWare blog today to announce that through future updates to Mass Effect 3, the developer will be providing clarifications to the ending.

Said Dr. Ray:

Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April. We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received. This is in addition to our existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue.

This has led some on various forums and social media outlets (myself regrettably included, as I first read about this on Twitter) to postulate that this means a straight up retconning of Mass Effect 3's ending, but reading Dr. Ray's statement, it doesn't sound like it'll be quite that drastic. More likely this would simply entail some kind of DLC update with story exposition that fills in some of the larger plot holes people have been complaining about.

Dr. Ray also addressed the rather vitriolic tone this whole Mass Effect 3 conversation has taken on, in just about the most polite way possible.

Some of the criticism that has been delivered in the heat of passion by our most ardent fans, even if founded on valid principles, such as seeking more clarity to questions or looking for more closure, for example – has unfortunately become destructive rather than constructive. We listen and will respond to constructive criticism, but much as we will not tolerate individual attacks on our team members, we will not support or respond to destructive commentary.

So, there you have it. Whether you hated Mass Effect 3's ending or didn't, you're getting extra content designed to make you understand it better. Of course there's no guarantee that these clarifications will actually sooth any of the current unrest over the ending, but one can presume that if they don't, this whole petitioning and insulting cycle will just begin itself anew, and continue repeating itself until everyone gets the exact ending they want. Because that's how the world works now, I guess.

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Changing the ending is just stupid. How many times has someone not enjoyed an ending of a book, a TV series, a movie, etc....How dare they write an ending to something that "some" people don't like...they need to write an ending that EVERYONE agrees with and pleases EVERYONE...no matter if we all have different people. And a side note, I've played games with way worse endings than this one and games that were totally broke to all shit. People need to settle down.

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@MadScientist18: You seem to be getting pretty worked up yourself.

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I explained the ending to a friend of mine who has never played a Mass Effect game and had no context at all other than me explaining the 3 choices and how the game ends.

His response? "That sounds kind of imaginative to me. Why would people be so upset?"

I think from an, and I hate to even say it, artistic standpoint, the ending of Mass Effect 3 is about what it needs to be. You can argue that as a game, it should have more because you deserve more, but I don't even know that that's true. I'm reminded of when I watched Pandorum, which I loved, and saw the end of that and how vague the situation they left was before the credits came up, and how I wanted more, but understood that the director wanted to leave it open to my interpretation, to my own imagination to fill in what happened next.

If gaming is going to be taken seriously as an artistic medium, if people want that, then they should accept the ending of Mass Effect 3 and move on. That's exactly what I'm doing. I'm not interested in any DLC that Bioware is going to offer up for me to buy to add to the story, it is what it is.

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Wow. Just freakin' wow. Eternal September strikes agian.

The stupid thing is, I don't get what this buys Bioware. Do people honestly believe that by making this vocal group happy that they'll buy more Bioware content? And I don't get what this buys the people involved - are they going to retcon their memories and pretend the existing endings don't exist? I mean, once you've read the book, you've read the book - you read a revised edition of the book later, it still doesn't change the taste of the first reading.

I suppose this is a case of Bioware hoisted by their own petard - people go so invested in "their" story, they forgot that it's not really "their" story - it's a glorified Choose Your Own Adventure. I think the big takeaway from this is that no game design is going to allow this much customization again, because this proves you can't be all things to all people, and in the Internet world, people can scream loud and long, regardless of the value of their screaming.

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@big_jon said:

@jakonovski said:

@big_jon said:

If they charge for an alternate ending that will be effed up, but changing the ending in general seems so dumb, where is the art in that?

I mean has this ever happened to a movie or book? It seems so juvenile.

Like I said to someone else, it has always been happening. So many of the arguments in this matter are made from a position of ignorance.

edit: like Arthur Conan Doyle, Charles Dickens, Blade Runner, to name a few that come off the top of my head. I mean come on.

Those were not swapped out in a few weeks because of fan outrage I would assume, video games are never going to be taken serious by the mainstream as a form of art if the ending of something as large as simply swapped because of a bunch of small minded fans, or at least until it is no longer something that happens. A re-release years down the line is not the same as adding DLC to change the ending a couple months after release, which may or may not cost money.

The ending was not that bad, and half the people who are unhappy about it seem to be mad just because it didn't end in a happy way. I mean there is nothing wrong with not liking it but this shit is just stupid.

Because that's not how that medium works. Video games are not movies, they are not books, they are not music. For someone so caught up in video games perception (honestly, who gives a fuck about that?) you do it a great disservice by holding it to the standard of other industries. Firstly, why the fuck do you care if video games are considered art or not? To me that's the stupidest shit ever, I wish this concept and ambition to be taken seriously as an "art form" would die, as a genre games gain nothing from winning this "we are art" shit parade people like to throw. Congrats, you're art, now what? The guy who creates murals with his own feces creates "art" too, so enjoy your company, because that's pretty much all you've gained. Secondly as I previously touched on, this medium is so incredibly different from all of the others, it's such a blend and immersion of them all with one huge thing that none of them can have, interaction. Gamers interact, they change the worlds they play in, they change the stories, games can be as free flowing as unconfined as they want. Everyone is bitching that now Mass Effect may alter things to the story, and I understand why people would be upset that the original vision is being compromised, but they're over looking that something kind of amazing is in fact happening. The medium of games is so responsive that now we're actually experiencing a story change in real time due to the wants of the fan base, that's kind of crazy. So yeah I get why people would be upset that someone who created this story has to change his vision of how it ends, but I don't understand why they'd be upset because it is compromising, or sets a precedent, or worse off defeats the concept of being taken "seriously. This is what videogames can do, they can adapt to their audience, so that's what we need to decide, if we want this or not. We don't need to bitch about our perception.

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Which is worse? Complainers or compounded complainers that complain about the complainers complaining?

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Now I gotta hurry up and finish this before they give me a happy ending.

Wait, what?

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Admittedly, I haven't been rushing to get this game partly because of all the crap people have to say about it. I should probably decide for myself, but I think I'll wait a bit longer now.

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@Zaph said:

I would just like to say this is one of the most interesting exchanges I've ever read in the GB comments.

The Blade Runner arguement is even more interesting if we consider some of the comments by Casey Hudson (The 'Ridley Scott' in this analogy) prior to the release of ME3. He made it very clear that endings would not be simple "A, B or C" choices - which is exactly what ended up with.

So who is to say the current ME3 ending is the artistic work of Casey Hudson and the creative team or just a series of compromises and meddling by corporates to make the game more marketable as a standalone product, à la the original Blade Runner cut?

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This whole ending debacle has been really interesting. Doesn't help that people who haven't played the game call fans childish, entitled, or any other negative name just because they feel like it. Nor does it help that some of the fans are throwing stones at everyone at Bioware just because they didn't like the ending to the game, as if any one person is entirely responsible for the ending.

I wasn't super satisfied with the ending, but honestly they could just tack on an epilogue and be done with it. Don't understand why they didn't do it in the first place, considering the fact that its the ending to a planned trilogy and it just sort of...stops.

Anyways, interesting to see how this turns out, I wish people on both sides of the argument would just grow up though and talk about it without raging at one another.

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@Metal_Mills: highlander two didn't really change its endings. but vast amounts of content within the movie. the whole "the immortals are actually aliens from another planet" thing. tons of re-releases of it came out trying to edit out all the references to it.

pretty much everyone whining saying "its art, it shouldn't be changed, it'll ruin the artistic vision the creator had for it!" are pretentious dickbags who dont know what they're talking about.

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I had just come to terms with the ME3 ending and accepted it for what it is, as I thought there was pretty much no way they would change it.
Now I don't know what I should think... I guess I should just hope the changes they are making are for the better.

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@Milkman said:

@GrandHarrier: @Itwastuesday: @jakonovski: Man, I have a lot of PMs in my inbox.

Here's my point. People are going to hate the changes that BioWare makes to the ending. No one is ever going to be happy with everything about the ending. The idea of BioWare backing down from their vision to somehow appease these whiners and that's somehow going to make everything peachy is bullshit. If BioWare had any respect towards Mass Effect, they would stand by their original artistic decisions and weather the storm. Instead they are backed down to these, essentially, internet bullies. If games ever want to be taken seriously, they can't give in to online petitions and Reddit commenters when faced with a controversy. BioWare has now set a precedent that if you scream and cry enough, you can change anything that makes you angry, which is an extremely dangerous precedent for this industry to have.

This whole debacle is already a bit silly and people probably won't be happy with the amended ending, but extremely dangerous for the industry? Why on earth? No other entertainment industry has been harmed in the least by rewrites.

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@ghoti221 said:

Wow. Just freakin' wow. Eternal September strikes agian.

The stupid thing is, I don't get what this buys Bioware. Do people honestly believe that by making this vocal group happy that they'll buy more Bioware content? And I don't get what this buys the people involved - are they going to retcon their memories and pretend the existing endings don't exist? I mean, once you've read the book, you've read the book - you read a revised edition of the book later, it still doesn't change the taste of the first reading.

I suppose this is a case of Bioware hoisted by their own petard - people go so invested in "their" story, they forgot that it's not really "their" story - it's a glorified Choose Your Own Adventure. I think the big takeaway from this is that no game design is going to allow this much customization again, because this proves you can't be all things to all people, and in the Internet world, people can scream loud and long, regardless of the value of their screaming.

JGH

+1000000 points. You are absolutely right, my friend.

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@Milkman said:

@GrandHarrier: @Itwastuesday: @jakonovski: Man, I have a lot of PMs in my inbox.

Here's my point. People are going to hate the changes that BioWare makes to the ending. No one is ever going to be happy with everything about the ending. The idea of BioWare backing down from their vision to somehow appease these whiners and that's somehow going to make everything peachy is bullshit. If BioWare had any respect towards Mass Effect, they would stand by their original artistic decisions and weather the storm. Instead they are backed down to these, essentially, internet bullies. If games ever want to be taken seriously, they can't give in to online petitions and Reddit commenters when faced with a controversy. BioWare has now set a precedent that if you scream and cry enough, you can change anything that makes you angry, which is an extremely dangerous precedent for this industry to have.

I suppose it might show that Bioware is more interested in the prospect of DLC related to the ending than their original idea for an ending (which at least makes sense as a business- that DLC will probably do pretty darned well). This news also gives me the impression that they didn't have much faith in their ending in the first place.

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@WVUEers said:

@DrRandle said:

And there you have it. Video games are no longer art. Thanks video game community for making sure we ruin that!

Is that what you really care about? Why does every get hung up on the term "Art". Fuck art, the ambition to create "art" is what ruins art. If something moves you that's art, no one should ever set out to create acclaimed "art", they should set out to create something that moves. You can bitch about someone having to change their vision for this series, that's fine to me, because someone did sit down and dream up this ending. But don't get pissy because now the fucking term "art" is moot. Who gives a shit? I seriously fucking hate the "games are art" discussion because of shit like this. Ironically now you're putting more people in a confining box by saying they can't change the ending, to me that defeats your whole "art" pissy tantrum. Perhaps that's what this medium truly brings to the table, it's responsive, it can be an amoeba and adapt and form to it's audiences demands and dislikes. Ever consider that? No, because now it's not "art" , fuck your art.

Agree 100%. This whole "video games are no longer art" is the worse argument I've ever heard against fixing an ending of a videogame. I think it's admirable Bioware is smart enough to listen to their audience...it means they give a shit and realize they can't get away with this bullshit. Consumers are smarter and more vocal than ever and it's not always for the best nor is it always for the worse.

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I like how people are so adamant about plot holes and logic, but argue that the real ending should be something that is basically Civil War army vs Modern nuclear infinite cyber zombie army should result in the Civil War army winning in a landslide with no major casualties and peace on Earth.

@depecheload said:

Anyone who [has ever read anything Alex has ever written] knows that he's been a condescending jerk[.]

Fixed

... Evangelion...

I pray to god that BioWare follows the End of Evangelion retconned ending. People hated how the TV show ended and cried like children about it, just like Mass Effect 3. In response, the creator answered by making a movie that was pretty much, "no, this is a negative ending," and killed off every character everyone liked in brutal ways and ended it with scenes that makes ME3 as logical as 1+1=2. If BioWare makes a "fuck you, eat a dick" ending, I'll buy that just to see how it turns out.

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@Korosuzo said:

@WVUEers said:

@DrRandle said:

And there you have it. Video games are no longer art. Thanks video game community for making sure we ruin that!

Is that what you really care about? Why does every get hung up on the term "Art". Fuck art, the ambition to create "art" is what ruins art. If something moves you that's art, no one should ever set out to create acclaimed "art", they should set out to create something that moves. You can bitch about someone having to change their vision for this series, that's fine to me, because someone did sit down and dream up this ending. But don't get pissy because now the fucking term "art" is moot. Who gives a shit? I seriously fucking hate the "games are art" discussion because of shit like this. Ironically now you're putting more people in a confining box by saying they can't change the ending, to me that defeats your whole "art" pissy tantrum. Perhaps that's what this medium truly brings to the table, it's responsive, it can be an amoeba and adapt and form to it's audiences demands and dislikes. Ever consider that? No, because now it's not "art" , fuck your art.

Agree 100%. This whole "video games are no longer art" is the worse argument I've ever heard against fixing an ending of a videogame.

If that was the case, movies and books aren't art either.
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Fantastic. Justify all the babies crying about a game.

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Oh man, why didn't he announce it yesterday. I wanted to hear the guy's reactions over at the bombcast =/

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And you know what is also funny about that picture? There are people who think Destroy is paragon and control is renegade. ROFL! Look! It's even colour coded for the dumb ones.

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Hooray for annoying people...?

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@ghoti221 said:

The stupid thing is, I don't get what this buys Bioware

The recognition that they're the first developer to reach the lofty heights of fan investment where rewrite becomes a demand. They'd be stupid not to acknowledge it and make the best of it.

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The problem with the ending is that only two people were allowed to write it. The rest of the Bioware writing staff were excluded from even knowing what the ending was until it was too late to change it. That's why the last ten minutes of the game seem to belong in some other game. They excluded their best writers -- who were responsible for all the great stuff in the bulk of the game -- and wrote a lazy, hokey, unsatisfying conclusion.

I doubt they actual change the ending though. They'll likely just tack on some DLC to show the results of which of the three doors you walked through.

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I love most everything about videogames when I play them, up until the point where I have to interact with self-entitled aggression fueld morons, I mute them and I they no longer pose an issue to my fun.

I then play a single-player and just try to play it in as much the fashion as the developers intended us to, regardless of bad ending or not.

Why do people have to make this much noise over a videogame and yet several kids died of starvation over in some famine filled country and nobody in the same group can be bothered to lift a single finger or get outraged by it.

Idiots be idiots I guess, unfortunately a vast amount of the human population are idiots.

I really wish they'd kept quiet and kept all of the original endings as it they originally were.

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@sickVisionz said:

I like how people are so adamant about plot holes and logic, but argue that the real ending should be something that is basically Civil War army vs Modern nuclear infinite cyber zombie army should result in the Civil War army winning in a landslide with no major casualties and peace on Earth.

Not everyone wants that. Some people just want logic. Like, why can't I point out to the Vent God, "So, you're a Synthetic that creates more Synthetics, to kill Organics, to keep them from creating Synthetics, who kill Organics." is a bullshit excuse. I can't point out, "HEY WHAT ABOUT THE PEACE I JUST MADE WITH THE GETH AND QUARIANS???"

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@jakonovski said:

@Milkman said:

@GrandHarrier: @Itwastuesday: @jakonovski: Man, I have a lot of PMs in my inbox.

Here's my point. People are going to hate the changes that BioWare makes to the ending. No one is ever going to be happy with everything about the ending. The idea of BioWare backing down from their vision to somehow appease these whiners and that's somehow going to make everything peachy is bullshit. If BioWare had any respect towards Mass Effect, they would stand by their original artistic decisions and weather the storm. Instead they are backed down to these, essentially, internet bullies. If games ever want to be taken seriously, they can't give in to online petitions and Reddit commenters when faced with a controversy. BioWare has now set a precedent that if you scream and cry enough, you can change anything that makes you angry, which is an extremely dangerous precedent for this industry to have.

This whole debacle is already a bit silly and people probably won't be happy with the amended ending, but extremely dangerous for the industry? Why on earth? No other entertainment industry has been harmed in the least by rewrites.

This isn't a rewrite. This is Mass Effect 3 becoming a group project. It's great that people care about the story of Mass Effect and are invested in this universe. But just because you're invested in something doesn't give you a right to change it. Rewrites written by the consumers don't exist in other mediums and for good reason.

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@LordCmdrStryker said:

@Tennmuerti said:

@LordCmdrStryker said:

@big_jon said:

If they charge for an alternate ending that will be effed up, but changing the ending in general seems so dumb, where is the art in that?

I mean has this ever happened to a movie or book? It seems so juvenile.

I know, right?! I've bought tons of books that I haven't ultimately been satisfied with, but I didn't get mad and write the author demanding they change it. This whole fucking thing is stupid.

Happened more times then you can imagine. Look at one of the most prominent example in literary history: Sherlock Holmes Plenty of works over the years have retroactively changed their ending. The main difference is that videogames have the luxury of doing it on the fly in the exact same product due to their overall flexibility with downloadable content, whereas movies and books mostly do it through retconning in sequels.

Sherlock Holmes was written a hundred years ago!

What is the point of demanding they change it? Does it make you feel better about playing the game after you badger the company into doing what you want? You'll never forget the first thing you saw. It will always be there. Shall I take a power drill out and remove those memories from my skull?

I gave Sherlock Holmes only as one of the most prominent examples.
It's the first thing that came to mind, being so recognisable to most people.
Like i said this occurs in both books and movies from time to time. Other people have provided further examples in this very thread.
If you are going to be dismissive towards the entire point of my argument which is to correct people who assume that this doesn't happen in other mediums, based on that this work of fiction came out long ago, then I really don't know what else to say except that that just seems like being deliberately obtuse just for the sake of it.

As for your second paragraph is better directed at people who demanded the change not me.

Personally however if they made the ending more rational and better written i might decide to replay the last moments of the game and then decide if it is more satisfactory.
Will it heal the negative emotions i felt towards it originally and how it affected the entire series? Probably not, at least not fully. But i'm willing to give it a shot.
If Bioware wants to try and make me feel better about the ending i'm not going to be against it, only for it.
(as long as they don't demand money for it on top of what i already paid for the game)
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"Following comments by Edward Bulwer-Lytton that the ending was too sad, Dickens rewrote the ending so that Pip now meets Estella after the death of her husband in the ruins of Satis House with the suggestion that they will marry. Early 20th century writers including John Forster, George Bernard Shaw and George Orwell felt that the original ending was "more consistent with the draft, as well as the natural working out of the tale"; modern literary criticism tends to support the more common second ending."

Multiple and changed endings doesn't endanger the integrity of the work. In fact, as time passes, the interpretation of said work may favor one ending or another, just like the above. In a decade's time, we may look back on the original ending with fondness or with a more positive interpretation as opposed to with hateful vitriol. What makes games an "art", if that's what you're concerned about, is the structure of interpretation behind it. Gaming as an art doesn't exist in a vacuum, it requires interpretation and analysis like any other art.

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3 is perfect for new players to jump in...

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@Milkman said:

@jakonovski said:

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@GrandHarrier: @Itwastuesday: @jakonovski: Man, I have a lot of PMs in my inbox.

Here's my point. People are going to hate the changes that BioWare makes to the ending. No one is ever going to be happy with everything about the ending. The idea of BioWare backing down from their vision to somehow appease these whiners and that's somehow going to make everything peachy is bullshit. If BioWare had any respect towards Mass Effect, they would stand by their original artistic decisions and weather the storm. Instead they are backed down to these, essentially, internet bullies. If games ever want to be taken seriously, they can't give in to online petitions and Reddit commenters when faced with a controversy. BioWare has now set a precedent that if you scream and cry enough, you can change anything that makes you angry, which is an extremely dangerous precedent for this industry to have.

This whole debacle is already a bit silly and people probably won't be happy with the amended ending, but extremely dangerous for the industry? Why on earth? No other entertainment industry has been harmed in the least by rewrites.

This isn't a rewrite. This is Mass Effect 3 becoming a group project. It's great that people care about the story of Mass Effect and are invested in this universe. But just because you're invested in something doesn't give you a right to change it. Rewrites written by the consumers don't exist in other mediums and for good reason.

We have a right to complain. They have a right to listen to that feedback and make changes. Or not. They are choosing too. Would you deny them the artistic freedom to do so?

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"Relax guys, we talked with EA and they've agreed to allow us to sell you a bunch of content that was cut from the final game."

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For the same reason that I generally don't give a fuck about what happens in post-launch dlc, I'll be done with the game by that point. It's nice that they are trying to make good, but the product is out. The original ending won't be erased from history or memory.

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@morrelloman said:

Which is worse? Complainers or compounded complainers that complain about the complainers complaining?

i'd say the people complaining about the complainers is far worse. they have no stake in it. they don't care about the results. if the ME3 ending gets changed or retconned or added to, it literally has NO effect on anything else. it won't start a trend of people complaining about other endings, it wont set a precedence for other groups to use to prove they should have a right to change things. because rewrites and retcons happen ALL the time. in all forms of entertainment and art.

to get all uppity because some people are upset over an ending is insane. why do you care if they're upset and want the ending changed?

also calling people "entitled" is the dumbest thing ever. thats how CAPITALISM WORKS. of course bioware is going to cave and try to appease their fanbase, they are a COMPANY FIRST. are people really this dumb and arrogant to say "art should never be changed"? seriously?

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@Milkman said:

@jakonovski said:

@Milkman said:

@GrandHarrier: @Itwastuesday: @jakonovski: Man, I have a lot of PMs in my inbox.

Here's my point. People are going to hate the changes that BioWare makes to the ending. No one is ever going to be happy with everything about the ending. The idea of BioWare backing down from their vision to somehow appease these whiners and that's somehow going to make everything peachy is bullshit. If BioWare had any respect towards Mass Effect, they would stand by their original artistic decisions and weather the storm. Instead they are backed down to these, essentially, internet bullies. If games ever want to be taken seriously, they can't give in to online petitions and Reddit commenters when faced with a controversy. BioWare has now set a precedent that if you scream and cry enough, you can change anything that makes you angry, which is an extremely dangerous precedent for this industry to have.

This whole debacle is already a bit silly and people probably won't be happy with the amended ending, but extremely dangerous for the industry? Why on earth? No other entertainment industry has been harmed in the least by rewrites.

This isn't a rewrite. This is Mass Effect 3 becoming a group project. It's great that people care about the story of Mass Effect and are invested in this universe. But just because you're invested in something doesn't give you a right to change it. Rewrites written by the consumers don't exist in other mediums and for good reason.

Meh, you're just trying to redefine yourself out of a bind. This doesn't differ from a literary rewrite in any way except that the technology of computers and internet allows the whole process to be faster.

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@sickVisionz said:

I like how people are so adamant about plot holes and logic, but argue that the real ending should be something that is basically Civil War army vs Modern nuclear infinite cyber zombie army should result in the Civil War army winning in a landslide with no major casualties and peace on Earth.

Not everyone wants that. Some people just want logic. Like, why can't I point out to the Vent God, "So, you're a Synthetic that creates more Synthetics, to kill Organics, to keep them from creating Synthetics, who kill Organics." is a bullshit excuse. I can't point out, "HEY WHAT ABOUT THE PEACE I JUST MADE WITH THE GETH AND QUARIANS???"

That's what Control ending is for.

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After ME1 and ME2 I expected better of ME3. I'd be okay with an f'd up ending leaving a dead galaxy if it was deliverey well. What I got was gameplay right out of an Atari 2600 game and retconned doodiewoop.

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whiny bitches, why does everything need explaining these days? are people really that retarded now that they need shit spelled out for them.

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Watching Journalists just fucking blow up on Twitter was amazing. Seeing these guys be so condescending against the "complainers", only to start doing the same exact thing when BioWare exercise its right as the contents developer to change their work or not.

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@GrandHarrier said:

@Milkman said:

@jakonovski said:

@Milkman said:

@GrandHarrier: @Itwastuesday: @jakonovski: Man, I have a lot of PMs in my inbox.

Here's my point. People are going to hate the changes that BioWare makes to the ending. No one is ever going to be happy with everything about the ending. The idea of BioWare backing down from their vision to somehow appease these whiners and that's somehow going to make everything peachy is bullshit. If BioWare had any respect towards Mass Effect, they would stand by their original artistic decisions and weather the storm. Instead they are backed down to these, essentially, internet bullies. If games ever want to be taken seriously, they can't give in to online petitions and Reddit commenters when faced with a controversy. BioWare has now set a precedent that if you scream and cry enough, you can change anything that makes you angry, which is an extremely dangerous precedent for this industry to have.

This whole debacle is already a bit silly and people probably won't be happy with the amended ending, but extremely dangerous for the industry? Why on earth? No other entertainment industry has been harmed in the least by rewrites.

This isn't a rewrite. This is Mass Effect 3 becoming a group project. It's great that people care about the story of Mass Effect and are invested in this universe. But just because you're invested in something doesn't give you a right to change it. Rewrites written by the consumers don't exist in other mediums and for good reason.

We have a right to complain. They have a right to listen to that feedback and make changes. Or not. They are choosing too. Would you deny them the artistic freedom to do so?

You're right. The right to complain absolutely belongs to the consumer. And the right to change absolutely belongs to the producer (or artist or whatever). But watching BioWare get bullied into compromising leaves a real bad taste in my mouth. And the fact that BioWare was weak and uninterested in defending their vision leaves an even worse taste.

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@AMonkey: Thanks for that youtube clip. Now I know why people don't like the ending. Too bad it made me really hate the ending as well. Before I was like "that was a bit wierd, but oh well." and now I'm like "I'm siding with the ragers and will demand a new and better ending."

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@GrandHarrier said:

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And you know what is also funny about that picture? There are people who think Destroy is paragon and control is renegade. ROFL! Look! It's even colour coded for the dumb ones.

YEAH BUT YOU WERE INDOCTRINATED TO THINK DESTROY WAS THE WRONG CHOICE

...ugh.

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I just finished the game, and I have yet to process the insanity of that ending. But at least in one way, I think it's a fitting ending: YOU are the dialogue wheel! Or Shepard is. Or whatever.

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@jakonovski said:

Meh, you're just trying to redefine yourself out of a bind. This doesn't differ from a literary rewrite in any way except that the technology of computers and internet allows the whole process to be faster.

A book is written by one person. A game like this one is made by a company of dozens of people, taking millions of dollars and thousands of work hours. And the fact that you keep making an apples to apples comparison between them is ludicrous.

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Why the hell isn't this video showing up on more gaming sites? I know it's still a "theory", but I don't see how it isn't fact based on the overwhelming proof from the game itself. After watching this, I went back and replayed the ending, and it's so clear now what Bioware intended for the intending. Essentially, the wool got pulled over all of our eyes they same way it got pulled over Shepherd's!

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@Milkman: bullied? they are a company. they answer to share holders. they aren't your friend, they aren't your buddy. you shouldnt feel bad for them at all. they want to sell you shit, you want to buy the shit you think is worth buying. its called capitalism.

deal with it?

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@Sergeant_Stubby: OK, tell me how my squadmates got onto the Normandy, after being lasered by Sovereign, and then the Normandy somehow got light hours away to the Charon Relay in a matter of minutes, fleeing the battle despite this being the final showdown. I mean, since I am a whiny bitch who needs this "shit" explained to them.

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@Shrat said:

Stop it with the dumb headlines Alex. As soon as I read it, I know it's you. Maybe that's your goal, but try to make them slightly less irritating.

Maybe we could start a petition to change the article title :3

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@seanfoster said:

@phrosnite said:

@GrandHarrier said:

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And you know what is also funny about that picture? There are people who think Destroy is paragon and control is renegade. ROFL! Look! It's even colour coded for the dumb ones.

YEAH BUT YOU WERE INDOCTRINATED TO THINK DESTROY WAS THE WRONG CHOICE

...ugh.

Have you not seen the video? There is overwhelming evidence to show that you were indoctrinated. As in, IN GAME evidence. The tree/plants near the beam, the fact that the kid doesn't actually exist, the gunshot wound you receive without getting shot, etc etc etc.