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Hell Hath No Fury Like a Nintendo Fan Scorned

We don't have all the details on Nintendo's circle pad add-on for the 3DS, but fans are already enraged. There's a very specific reason why.

When this image leaked from the latest issue of Famitsu, Twitter exploded with negative reactions and snark.
When this image leaked from the latest issue of Famitsu, Twitter exploded with negative reactions and snark.

People are pissed at Nintendo today. You'd think the company contaminated the local water supply, based on the response to news that Nintendo's preparing a circle pad add-on for the 3DS to launch alongside Capcom's Monster Hunter Tri G. I added to the pile last night with a hyperbolic headline.

"That Horrible 3D Analog Rumor is Coming True."

I don't regret writing that headline; it was a knee-jerk emotional response to the moment, underscoring the collective feeling after learning this crazy rumor was true. I'd dismissed the idea of an analog accessory that sounded ripped from the mid-90s Sega playbook, and being confronted with this monstrosity featured had me glancing over at my 3DS with contempt.

The response is ironic, too, given how many called for Sony to release a PSP revision with a second analog stick. In the PSP's case, however, a good portion of its premiere games were handheld console games that would have benefited from the analog.

The 3DS as it is now. What it will look like next year, when a revision might drop, isn't known.
The 3DS as it is now. What it will look like next year, when a revision might drop, isn't known.

Sony never pulled the trigger, pushing the feature onto the next handheld--Vita has two sticks. The biggest reason fans have heavily scrutinized the 3DS since launch has little to do with a lacking analog stick and everything to do with a lacking set of even halfway decent games to play.

At this point, Nintendo's been forced to admit 3DS was overpriced, slashing the handheld from $249 to $169 roughly six months after launch--six months in Japan, five months everywhere else. The company mitigated most of the ill will with its 3DS Ambassador program, promising a dose of gaming nostalgia worth more than the price difference. It wasn't a perfect solution, but we were asking for games, after all.

There's precedent for Nintendo to cater towards the whims of Monster Hunter, easily one of the most powerful franchises in Japan. Nintendo worked alongside Capcom to tweak the layout of the Classic Controller Pro to ensure it would best compliment Monster Hunter Tri. That sort of collaboration with another company on a piece of Nintendo-produced hardware was basically unprecedented.

"Someone within Nintendo said, 'What? You're going to ask the development staff of another company?' said Nintendo president Satoru Iwata. "But since we were going to make a new controller so that people who had played Monster Hunter before could play comfortably, I thought we should at least get the seal of approval from the game developers."

It's hard for us to understand why Nintendo would be so keen to bend over backwards for Monster Hunter, as the franchise hasn't gained much traction outside Japan. Monster Hunter is largely credited with saving the PSP over there. It's a big reason the machine's been viable, and for Nintendo to make sure Monster Hunter's core players are satisfied would be a smart move.

Monster Hunter is a huge
Monster Hunter is a huge "get" for Nintendo, even if you're like me and don't "get" it at all.

Herein lies the rub: there are so many details about this add-on we don't know about.

  • Will Nintendo charge for it, or will it be bundled?
  • Has this been exclusively designed for Monster Hunter 3G?
  • Will Nintendo's first-party games get behind this add-on?
  • Does this indicate the biggest addition to the inevitable 3DS revision?

The rollout of this announcement has been extremely poor. It's clear the full details will come next week, where Nintendo will be holding an event just prior to Tokyo Game Show devoted to talking about the 3DS. Nintendo of America and Nintendo of Europe are only acknowledging the add-on exists without divulging anything more. Lack of information leads to speculation, speculation leads to imagining worst case scenarios, speculation about worst case scenarios leads to a bunch of bitter fans.

There were new features in DS evolutions, like the eShop, but nothing like another set of buttons.
There were new features in DS evolutions, like the eShop, but nothing like another set of buttons.

The last question is where the ire comes from. The price drop prompted a host of people to buy a 3DS, and just weeks after taking the plunge, there are indications Nintendo's set to fundamentally modify the hardware. When we took the leap from DS to DSi and original DS customers were unable to hop into the eShop, it was understandable. Application marketplaces weren't standard when Nintendo's revolutionary handheld launched, so the idea of the DS being incapable was acceptable.

If we assume this will be part of a 3DS revision, what's confusing is how it runs counter to how Nintendo's traditional mindset. Nintendo goes against the grain not to be different but believing reactionary development is doomed to mediocrity. Rather than trying to cobble together better versions of what your competitors are creating, strike out on your own. This arrogance has lead Nintendo towards is greatest successes and failures. It's never a sure thing, but when an idea clicks, everyone around you is left in the dust, struggling to catch up. You might not like Nintendo's output, as many hardcore Nintendo fans would say about the Wii, but it's unique.

Maybe it's an add-on only Monster Hunter will use. Maybe Nintendo and some other developers will add token support, as was the case with many Wii accessories, making this mostly a niche product. Maybe it's our first hint at an updated 3DS.

It's easy to respond to all of this "well, I told you so" and blame early adopter syndrome, but adding a second circle pad can substantially impact gameplay. It's where the PSP criticisms came from. If a game maps the camera to the other circle pad, that's huge. When I purchased a 3DS, I knew full well the battery life was terrible. I swallowed that pill. This is different.

If Iwata steps on stage next week and shows a tweaked handheld with a second circle pad, he should be prepared to deal with his hardcore base looking for blood. And no amount of free games may make up for the one-two punch of a surprising, drastic price cut and being told your hardware's outdated. How many people are willing to gamble all over again?

Probably more than I care to admit, actually.

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Edited By Giantstalker

The 3DS is slowly turning into the biggest boondoggle since the Virtual Boy. Man, I love that word; boondoggle.

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Another stupid move by Nintendo. They should just keep that addon as Japan-only for MH, wait a bit, and release a new 3DS with built-in dual joysticks. That addition alongside some GOOD releases will bring in more sales. I know I'd buy one if that was the case.

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@Giantstalker said:

boondoggle.

I, myself like the word kerfuffle.

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@selbie: Yeah, that's really smart. Make it so owners of the original 3DS are shut out of the games that use two analogue sticks. That is definitely the best move. You really know what you're talking about here, man. Good job. 
 
Anyway, I'm hoping they do localise this because MH is what I'd buy a 3DS for, definitely. It's also what I'd buy a Vita for in the future, I'm sure.
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To quote Will Smith (Tested), "Don't buy something which promises to be great, buy something which is great right off the self" the hardware design for the 3DS was just never there. It's a common trend nowadays to always plan for the worst and hope for the best, but I just don't buy Nintendo would be stupid enough to add a huge attachment like this unless it was a freebee, they're not stupid! If it does come then Patrick is right, there will most certainly be a hardware revision which is great news to me!

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I feel pretty burned by Nintendo at this point. Yes their hardware is innovative, but lately it seems to fall short with what their audience wants. They try to retrace their steps but in doing so they hurt the fans that supported them the most by buying the their consoles/handhelds at launch. They've cancled releases for the US, canceled Mega Man Legend, dropped the price of the 3ds and tried to make up for it by giving away nostalgic games ( it's a good idea but again most Nintendo fans already own these games somewhere else ) I personally can't say I have at this moment even the slightest shred of interest in a Wii U which so far looks like an HD Wii with an added Ipod touch screen controller for at most 2 people to play on in a single household setting, and they haven't so far shown anything on what they plan to do to compete/innovate their own version of a PSN or Xbox Live. I loved Nintendo of the past but right now if you asked me what i would want Nintendo to do, I think it would be awesome if they became a software company and made their first party titles for xbox and psn, as well as provide insight to hardware developement for Sony and Microsoft. This probably wont ever happen and they may just go bankrupt. Nintendo is very innovative, just horrible at execution and it could very well be their undoing.

Also for those of you saying that eveyone is "bitching" because they paid too much for a 3ds, for me it wasnt so much a qustion of a price, but im just curious what version of hardware do you typically wait for before a purchase? 3? 4? if so how do you think nintendo, or apple, or any hardware company that has a quick obsolete turn around make money, and in doing so is it fair to the consumer?

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Honestly, screw my 3ds at this point. All i care about is the Vita now.

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@krabboss: Sorry to pee in your cheerios, but haven't they already done that by announcing this peripheral? It's like the Wii Motion Plus all over again.

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now what if the new 3ds had 2 circle pads, 2 L and 2 R
and MULTI TOUCH Screen???

that would be cool

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This is simply hilarious. I don't know why all the outrage. It is the 90's all over again, I agree. What's next, a CD Add on for the 3DS? The 3DSCD? I pity the developer not named Capcom that chooses to integrate this into their game and fails. Desperate company is desperate.

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Never, ever gamble on a first release, especially when it comes to Nintendo and how often they update their handhelds. If you were paying attention at all, you bought a 3DS knowing you would get burned in a year or two. All Nintendo has done this time is accelerate the cycle.

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The way you don't get Monster Hunter is the way us in Japan don't get you and your Call of Duties. It's a different culture, not just with taste but with the availability of portable play time. Don't you get that yet?

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Yup, I am more pissed that Sony didn't do this 5 years ago.

But I also don't have a 3DS, so that probably helps. With the apathy.

Uhm, can I get a paddle or trackball control? Maybe? No? Ok.

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I hope the 3DS Lite is as awesome as the DS Lite is...it's too bad the 3DS has no games for it at all...

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I'm pretty much done with new Nintendo at this point. I admit, Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 are probably my favorite games ever but that doesn't change the fact that I got seriously burned by the Wii. I was an early adopter of the DS and I was angry with them then. They dropped the price some $20 within the first year, if you recall, and there wasn't a game worth owning until Kirby Canvas Curse some nine months or more later. The Wii never really took off like it should have, as I was disappointed by every single game on the console other than the Galaxies, as I mentioned.
 
This is probably why I'm just building up my SNES library right now...

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@AaronChance: Agreed. Anyone who saw all the DS revisions should have seen this coming. I will however, have no problem buying a vita on day 1, as my PSP-1000 stayed totally viable for the duration of its use (minus upgrading the battery once).
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If Nintendo is remodeling the 3DS to have two analog sticks, they are doing the right thing.  If they also give it a bigger main screen that would take up most of the upper lid, I might even think about getting one. 
 
Fanboy rage is good for a few laughs, but the world doesn't revolve around them.  The 3D gimmick fell on its butt (and gave me a headache after 5 minutes, I dunno maybe I would get used to it) but except for the 3D we have a product that isn't very innovative.  Nintendo is doing what it needs to do to make a viable competitor to the Vita.
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Outrage over a thumbstick? Really? WTF, people must be either crazy, or not have better things to do with their time. Seriously.

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I wouldn't call the people who shit on Nintendo at every opportunity "fans". You haven't been reading responses from fans, you've been validating responses that align with your own bitch attitude. Get a hobby, Pat.

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I would not be surprised to see a new 3DS model, but an additional circle pad is not something I would have expected. For one, you're instantly splitting the user-base at that point. The DS Lite was better in almost every way to the original DS (I preferred the original clicky d-pad myself) but they didn't add buttons or functionality. The stuff they added in the DSi wasn't widely supported - because at that point the DS was cooling off.

At this point I think any new 3DS model should address battery life, maybe blow up the top screen a bit, and just refine the actual design of the thing. Dual analogue to me only feels right when you have triggers, or at least, lower shoulder buttons. I know they're in this new Monster Hunter attachment, but adding those on a 3DS revision body? That seems far-fetched to me. Isn't the touch-screen supposed to be the ultimate analogue input anyway? At some point if you go down that route, why even have that vestigial thing taking up so much space on the bottom screen? Why make this a dual-screen system in the first place? Couldn't you just make one big screen with touch?...

I just realised I'm kind of suggesting Nintendo had made the Vita instead of the 3DS...

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@ryanwho said:
I wouldn't call the people who shit on Nintendo at every opportunity "fans". You haven't been reading responses from fans, you've been validating responses that align with your own bitch attitude. Get a hobby, Pat.
Well said. Moths to a flame and all that.
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It's hardly surprising. Nintendo have a long history of forcing the upsell of peripherals with certain games. When I recently sold my Wii to a friend, I couldn't believe how many types of controller and connector and add-on I had. Needed a whole bag just for the extra controllers.

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I have no desire. Monster Hunter Tri was a joke. And like all jokes, they are fun at first, but you tire of them if it is the same joke being told over and over. Tri's biggest problem was the lack of monsters. Monster Hunter Portable 2G had more and it was all stored on a UMD for christ sake. How much extra space was left on the Tri DVD disc?

I'll be at TGS, but I hope that this is just a side note to a bigger Monster Hunter announcement on the PS3 or Vita.

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Good thing I am rich 

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If Nintendo releases new hardware after I bought my 3DS before price drop, I will may very vey mad. I know it was a gamble, but I didn't consider Nintendo would add a new input at all. If Nintendo does this, they owe me a new system. No free games this time will make due.

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You know, if any of these cats don't want to keep their 3DS anymore, I'll gladly take it off their hands, gratis.

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I have wrought ruin upon your gaming sesibilities.  I have damned peripheral developement just by merely existing.  I hold the Japanese gaming market by the balls, and I'm not letting go without a fight. 
 
I am Monster Hunter.  And I will it.

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How discouraging. All I ever read regarding Nintendo now a days is just negative. I hope everything works out for those that bought the 3DS.

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Whoever is bitching about this needs to stop, if you don't like it don't buy it.

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Typo:

Nintendo towards is greatest successes

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I don't get this. Why are all these fans whining? Isn't the analog optional to use? Will the addition of an analog stick stop people from creating new games for the system? No. So get over it guys. Seriously.

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I'm not sure how to explain but yeah, Nintendo fans feel fucked.
 
Again we support Nintendo with their new ideas and shit, we get left behind.
Like Wiimotion plus, that shit shoulda been in from the start.

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If this rumor turns out to be true, I'm probably never going to buy another Nintendo handheld again until Pokemon is released for it.

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I'm confused, but not really pissed.

90% sure a second analog won't be in any 3ds revisions ever. Probably the next system though.

Now stop forcing me to question my loyalties with these bs annoucements and hurry up and release those big N titles!

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@JoWill1986 said:

I don't understand why everyone is so mad over this topic. If the second analog stick makes games better and brings in more games and 3rd party support then its a win-win for everybody.

...except the people who just paid a couple hundred dollars for what will be an obsolete piece of trash (assuming a redesign, not just the add-on).

Whatever. If a redesign gets announced (this is what people are angry about, by the way, because it seems rather likely) then I will just cut my losses and sell my 3DS to GameStop or something. I sure as hell won't be buying anything else from Nintendo anytime soon.

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@ChristianCastillo said:

Whoever is bitching about this needs to stop, if you don't like it don't buy it.

That's not it - the bitching is coming from buyer's remorse both from people who bought the 3DS at full price and the many that jumped after the price drop. They feel like they're getting screwed and nickel-and-dimed out of a potential hardware revision, because even though it's a peripheral targeted to a particular game and market, it's another sign that Nintendo is quickly trying to distance themselves from the flawed launch model.

Anyway, if you're cautiously waiting for the first major 3DS revision, like me, this is actually good news despite the internet rage.

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I just don't buy launch systems. Just wait a little bit after launch, it solves the whole problem.

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Mein gott

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Well aren't I glad I don't buy Nintendo. :)  

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I actually wrote into GiantBomb about this on 7/15/10

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Thought it was totally weird that nobody was mentioning the lack of a second stick. I guess most thought the touch screen would suffice but apparently not.

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@mewarmo990: Do you really think that Nintendo would take this beyond a peripheral and actually build it into the next hardware revision? My gut reaction was that they would, but thinking about it, it didn't work for the Wii Motion + (Not many games supported it) and doing so would fragment the 3DS user base. Which would be bad for everyone. Also, I have no idea to what extremes Iwata would have to take his appology for something like that.

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@Fobwashed: I think it probably wasn't questioned the same way the PSP was because the original DS got by just fine and all it had was a D-pad. When I bought my 3DS, I was expecting, and am still hoping, that it will focus on the same types of gameplay experiences we got from the DS.

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It's weird that Nintendo have to consult with Capcom about creating comfortable controllers for their games when Sony and Microsoft just go ahead and launch with them.

Remember the revolution that was 2 analog sticks?

Yeah, still just as great now.

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@Zithe: I hear you, but the original DS games were more 2D centric titles focused on using the stylus while the 3DS has 3D in the name of the console itself and the majority of the titles shown were 3D games. Navigating in 3D worlds tends to be much easier with a second stick for either camera control or aiming and it was those 3D games where the lack of a second stick really stuck out in PSP titles. Also, when the DS released, the need of a second stick wasn't really a known thing like it has been since the PSP. After the PSP, a new handheld releasing without at least 1 analog stick wouldn't even be considered unless you start looking at things like mobile phones and iDevices. Even in those platforms though, for games that are more console/handheld type games, they emulate dual analog or on screen buttons which I think is pretty gross but necessary.

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@Fobwashed: I absolutely agree that a second analog stick is an obvious improvement if not a necessity for most polygonal-3D games, but as I implied before, these types of games are not what I want from my 3DS. The "3D" in 3DS refers to the other kind of 3D, which can be done just as well if not better with 2D gameplay. I am really hoping they just stick with the things that worked on the original DS but use a higher resolution with the option of adding in actual 3D, not polygonal-3D.

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@cikame: Strange, I actually feel like Nintendo has always been ahead of the curve in controller design. The NES controller invented the Dpad, which at the time was pretty awesome even though the controller itself was a sharp edged box. The SNES introduced shoulder buttons. The N64 was the first console controller to have an analog stick and the rumble pack was new to the game when Starfox came out. Gamecube was a bit hit and miss with the giant A button, but I did really like the shoulder buttons that had the extra click when fully depressed. The Wii. . . well, it's somewhat uncomfortable to hold and while the system and majority of it's games may not have lived up to expectations, the accelerometers coupled with the pointing functionality was pretty innovative as well.

Sony on the other hand, came in with the PlayStation, which had a comfortable grip but was pretty much cribbing off Nintendo's playbook while adding a second shoulder button. They added dual analog after N64's analog stick. They also added rumble to the dual shock after the N64's rumble pack. They added sixaxis after the wiimote until they went full on copy paste with the move. I think the only legitimately new thing they did control wise was the playstation eye, which seemed underused.

Microsoft's first controller was the behemoth Duke controller. They should have consulted someone that didn't have giant man hands -_-;; I used the shit out of it up until the more reasonably sized S controllers came out. Since then, I don't think they've really added much to their controllers. The guide button was nice and the kinect is at least innovative.

*EDIT* I just wanted to throw in that the 360 controllers are my current favorite controllers. I'll take the D-Pad mushiness over the strangely shaped and easily misspressed L2 and R2 buttons on the PS3 Sixaxis. Also, what the hell were they thinking making it without rumble initially.

As far as controllers go, it seems like they're consulting with Capcom just to get their one super Japan franchise on the system. In both cases it was for that crazy hunter game. Nintendo may have fucked up a grip and itterated like mad, but they've always been slightly ahead of the curve in terms of input devices. Oh, and there was the DS which everyone thought was crazy =P

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I'm not upset with the peripheral but a S an early adopter I would hope I'm not seeing a redesign that drastically alters functionality so soon.

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@Zithe: Don't be the guy who sells anything back to GameStop. Sell it on eBay and you'll make 200% more, I promise you.
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I dont get why ppl QQ.. nobody forces you to buy it.

todays gamers are lame

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@liquidfox00 said:

I'm not upset with the peripheral but a S an early adopter I would hope I'm not seeing a redesign that drastically alters functionality so soon.

If Monster Hunter sells well on the 3DS, there will be a redesign with the second stick in 2012. This move would have to be a spectacular fail for it not to be included in the next revision.