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In Case You're Wondering Why There Are No Porsches in Forza 4, it's Because of EA

EA's exclusive license with Porsche will block the brand from appearing in Turn 10's upcoming sim racer.

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EA has had the exclusive rights to the Porsche brand of sports cars for some time now, but that hasn't prevented other developers from sub-licensing Porsche vehicles through EA. Most notably, Turn 10 managed to include 35 different Porsche models in its last simulation racer, Forza Motorsport 3.

Evidently, the days of playing friendly with exclusive licenses are over for EA (yes, I'm aware of the irony of that statement given the whole NFL thing--just go with it, okay?), as according to an interview with creative director Dan Greenwalt up at ForzaMotorsport.net, Turn 10 and Microsoft have made repeated attempts to find an equitable solution to once again sub-license the Porsche brand for its upcoming sequel, Forza Motorsport 4. However, those requests ultimately fell on deaf ears.

For Forza 4, we were looking forward to adding even more Porsche cars, and we were especially looking forward to featuring multiple Porsche experiences in our new Autovista mode. In the end, however, EA couldn’t see their way towards collaborating again. We’ve asked our contacts at EA to reconsider their position frequently and regularly over the last 18 months. We also reached out to various influential people in gaming to lobby on our behalf, and on your behalf, but that was to no avail.

The turnabout in attitude likely has something to do with the introduction of EA's Shift series, which it views as a viable competitor in the simulation racing market. Given that fact, it's not altogether surprising, if still a bit disappointing, that EA would choose to keep its licenses close to its vest, so as to avoid aiding a direct competitor.

Nonetheless, Turn 10 had hoped to work with EA once again, and was disappointed with EA's refusal to acquiesce, especially given Turn 10's own willingness to work with other developers with its own exclusive licenses.

While we respect EA’s need to run their business as they see fit, we’ve regularly collaborated in the past and hope we can find our way back to that approach. Forza had the exclusive license for all Ferrari cars, for example, on the Xbox and PC platforms. But at the end of the day, we’ve always found that we just weren’t willing to block other racing games from having Ferraris outright, as we believed that this would do nothing but hurt the racing ecosystem.

It is most certainly EA's prerogative to do as it pleases with the licenses it holds, but for as much as the Shift series attempts to dig into the sim racing market, it's arguable whether or not that series is really relevant enough at this juncture to claim that collaboration with Turn 10 would harm its stature. Suddenly blocking a developer from including an entire line of vehicles isn't exactly the kind of move that engenders good feelings within the racing game community, either.

Since it looks like there's nothing to be done about this prior to Forza 4's release, players will simply have to make do with a trio of RUF vehicles. RUF, as you may or may not be aware, is the manufacturer known for completely reworking Porsche bodies into custom sports cars. It's likely little consolation for those who had hoped to dig into any of the 35 originally planned Porsche models, but hey, at least it's something.

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does anyone remember Need for Speed: Porsche? ah the good ol' days...

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Fucking EA. Like I needed another reason to hate them.

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@Megasoum said:

What Dan Greewalt didn't say in his interview though is that Microsoft holds the Ferrari license and won't share it with EA which is why there is no Ferraris at all in Shift 2. Double standard much?

There are Ferraris in Shift 2.
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So we are back to mid-2000 EA again I see. They were doing so well for a while...well, in the not-being-dicks department anyway.

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I think we're watching the slow death of EA and their bad business practices in general. I'm sad their won't be any porches in Forza as they were always the cars that were so difficult but also rewarding to drive.

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Come on, EA, stop this bullshit already.

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@SaintMits said:

Who the fuck wants a Porsche anyway?

you clearly don't know much about cars.

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@skrutop said:

That's fucking lame. Are they going to go with rebranded modified Porsches, then?

Eh, I feel like going with RUF's are better than nothing... it was nice when they were in the Gran Turismo series as at least the RUF's.

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Well i guess Microsoft could say f*k it you cant have your game on our consol then :P ,they using that method anyways on other ocations.. (they good at blackmail)

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will there be RUF?

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Darn.

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@Megasoum

What Dan Greewalt didn't say in his interview though is that Microsoft holds the Ferrari license and won't share it with EA which is why there is no Ferraris at all in Shift 2. Double standard much?

Actually, he did say that. And he said they were willing to share to help the "racing ecosystem."
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At least Activision hasn't done a damn thing all year (mostly because their two relevant games only release in the fall).

Seriously, this has been multiple days in a row I've woken up to news articles about EA's scumbaggery. It sounds like they're less interested in toppling Activision in the "#1 Publisher" race and more interested in taking back their title of "#1 Dicks".

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@nintendoeats said:

So we are back to mid-2000 EA again I see. They were doing so well for a while...well, in the not-being-dicks department anyway.

I know, right? They were doing so well, and then it's just been one small (or major) fuck up after another.
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Did you need any more proof that EA are the standard setter in the video game industry? They do more nefarious underhanded deals in a week than Activision can do in a decade.

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....can someone let me know when game publishers stop acting so damn childish?!

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EA is being a big fat dick as of late. 

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forza 4 should then have those RUF kit cars that look like porsches...just saw one today..looked like someone modeled a plastic porsche and stuck ontop of a chassis

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I just want to make a Jem reference, so I'll say that EA is truly outrageous.

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Things like this only hurt the gamers.  The companies holding these licenses can make the decision to either help gamers, or help themselves.  They will almost always choose to help themselves and that is unfortunate.

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Damn, what happened to the old saying "don't burn bridges?" It seems everyone in the videogame industry is so damn short sighted these days. Competition isn't about cutting the legs off of your opponent.

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@Megasoum said:

What Dan Greewalt didn't say in his interview though is that Microsoft holds the Ferrari license and won't share it with EA which is why there is no Ferraris at all in Shift 2. Double standard much?

Is there a link to that information?

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Never been a Porche fan anyway. The 911 have looked the same since the 60's with only minor changes. Not having Lambos or Ferraris would be a bigger dissapointment.

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Nobody wants to play nice with each other in the video game industry right now.

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All the people calling for or asking about RUF's in the game-READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE

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Thanks again, EA.

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Ferrari > Porsche. You'd think that Turn10 would be able to strike a deal with EA and go "hey, you can can Ferrari is you let us have Porsche"...

Oh well, here come some RUF!

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Nice, EA.

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I'm sure EA will come around for a phat DLC pay day in a few months.  But yeah, I don't care that much for Porche.
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Gotta love exclusivity.

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Man, that's a damn shame I won't get to drive the Porsche Cayenne.

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I was really pulling for EA over the past year or two. Johnny R seemed to be trying to put gamers first, embrace new IPs, take risks, and just generally keep the company on the up and up. Over the past month or so, that seems to have fallen through. Why the rude awakening EA? What changed to turn you all back into the scum of the gaming industry?

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Reading this just made me realize once again that no racing series outside of Burnout really matters to me, and that has no licensed cars. Its not about the cars, its about wrecking stuff in awe-inspiring ways.

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Hey, an article that turns into obnoxious bullshit just three sentences in, must be the work of Alex Navarro!

Stopped reading after that, going to go elsewhere to read about this story.

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EA didn't is charging 60 dollars for Madden! How dare they?! BRAWR!

That's it, I'm now officially becoming a corporate stooge, because the only other option is populist stooge and I'd rather wear a suit than a hookah shell necklace.

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@Megasoum

What Dan Greewalt didn't say in his interview though is that Microsoft holds the Ferrari license and won't share it with EA which is why there is no Ferraris at all in Shift 2. Double standard much?

Quiet, you. Hating on EA gets you bonus consumer credit currently, so all precedents are ignored in favor of turning them into Cthulhu worshipping cultists.
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EA is starting to make Activision look good.

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@Shuborno said:

EA destroying all the good will they'd created with customers over the past few years must be pretty entertaining for Activision.

This.

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That NFS Porsche was a good game, wish they brought that back

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@Brodehouse said:
EA didn't is charging 60 dollars for Madden! How dare they?! BRAWR! That's it, I'm now officially becoming a corporate stooge, because the only other option is populist stooge and I'd rather wear a suit than a hookah shell necklace.
Puka. Not hookah. Hookah is a waterpipe.
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This sucks, hopefully they can add a few more RUF cars into Forza 4 and somehow later strike an agreement with EA to use Porsche cars and then release it as a free (unlikely) DLC pack.

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You stay classy, Electronic Arts.

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RUF is owned by porsche, its like mazdasport (mazda) or nismo (nissan).

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Also, if you're the kind of guy who is more concerned with what licensed cars are in your racing game rather than the gameplay you're just proving EA and Turn 10 right for making these deals. I could play a good racing game with imaginary cars as long as it was fun.

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There was not a single Ferrari in need for speed hot pursuit. Did EA just not ask turn 10 for access to ferrari or did turn 10 say no to EA?

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That'd be like Activision having exclusive rights to the M4A1, and no other shooter could have it.

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@skrutop: Turn10 already has RUF for Forza 4. That's how you can tell Porche isn't in a racing game.

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@Megasoum: I don't know if that's not part of this whole thing with Porsche. I think if they really cared about the Ferrari license on other competitive racing games they wouldn't have let Polyphony get it for Gran Turismo 5.

Not only has EA not let Turn 10 have the Porsche license, they've also denied it to Polyphony Digital since the existence of the series. They've always had to use RUF.

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@numberThirtyOne: I love Alex Navarro's headlines. So sassy.

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@bigsmoke77 said:

There was not a single Ferrari in need for speed hot pursuit. Did EA just not ask turn 10 for access to ferrari or did turn 10 say no to EA?

Actually, if memory serves, Ferrari are very picky about how their cars are portrayed in games. If they're being used as illegal street racing cars, they probably didn't want a part of that image.

@PrivateIronTFU said:

@Brodehouse said:
EA didn't is charging 60 dollars for Madden! How dare they?! BRAWR!

That's it, I'm now officially becoming a corporate stooge, because the only other option is populist stooge and I'd rather wear a suit than a hookah shell necklace.
Puka. Not hookah. Hookah is a waterpipe.

Is that what we're calling it these days? Waterpipe? :P