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Our Internet Empathy Problem

The disappearance of Flappy Bird has prompted streams of harassment and death threats. There are no consequences for the most vile of harassment on the Internet. This has to change.

We don't just have a game culture problem, we have an Internet culture problem.

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Today, we have a better understanding of why Flappy Bird developer Dong Nguyen decided his game should no longer be available on the App Store: addiction. An interview with Forbes revealed the developer's insecurity with how people played it.

"I think it has become a problem," said Nguyen. "To solve that problem, it’s best to take down Flappy Bird. It’s gone forever.”

Until this morning, his motivations were the source of speculation. (I suspect this will continue to be the case.) It might have been the accusations of theft, it might have been the overwhelming spotlight success brings, and it might have been the torrent of abuse that was spewing forth on his Twitter feed. It might have been a combination of all three or none of the above. There are even some who theorize the virality was faked.

It doesn't actually matter. Even if Nguyen removed the game for reasons he won't disclose, reasons far less altruistic than protecting players from themselves, we can still read what has been said about him and to him.

On Sunday afternoon, I became aware of a custom Twitter list that collected some of the horrendous, awful words that had been targeted at Nguyen in the past few days. Many of them were death threats, some merely promised violence, and others shouted obscenities at the top of their digital lungs. Much of it was unequivocally abuse and deeply unsettling. Whether or not these comments impacted Nguyen doesn't change the fact that they exist. The sheer volume of abuse suggests much of the Internet populace believes there is no consequence for threats conveyed via Twitter or otherwise. There's good reason for that: they're right.

Amanda Hess' "Why Women Aren't Welcome on the Internet" article, for example, is an excellent and deeply applicable source on how much difficulty our modern legal and security infrastructures have dealing with the evolution of harassment. The tools of harassers are deeply embedded into the fabric of the Internet. Empowerment of the user is king. Unfortunately, it comes at all costs to the victims on the receiving end.

Here are a few examples of what was directed at Nguyen:

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Weirdly, much of the vitriol targeted at Nguyen may come from a deep misunderstanding of what's happening to Flappy Bird. It is not being erased from every iPhone and iPad. While Apple does have a "kill switch" that would allow the company to remotely nuke a piece of software from all of its devices, it has never deployed the "kill switch." It's reserved for malware and other havoc-inducing apps. (For example, developers who have snuck emulators onto the App Store hidden have not seen their apps forcefully removed from users who downloaded them before being pulled.) But even if these users better understood Flappy Bird's ultimate fate, it's no excuse, and underscores the flippant nature to much of Internet commentary.

What's one comment in a large sea? Well, It adds up. How many people need to tell you that you're an asshole in real-life for it to have an impact on your day?

When I linked to the aforementioned Twitter list, it spread quickly, and generated sympathy and questions. I want to respond to some of the commentary that I found troublesome, and explain why what people did to Nguyen underscores some deeper cultural issues about what we consider acceptable Internet behavior.

(I'm not going to publish the actual tweets, just quote them.)

"I've never experienced any hate like this but I have to imagine 75% of the world would choose to endure this for 50k a day."

The most important part of this is "I've never experienced any hate like this." Red flag. The Verge speculated Flappy Bird was generating $50,000 daily. Nguyen's simply said it's "a lot." This has become the de facto excuse for why it's okay to dismiss Nguyen. He's rich! Who care if he's miserable about it? If a person is making a substantial amount of money, the logic goes, that's reason to put up with whatever the Internet can throw you. (Whether money buys happiness remains an open-ended question in academia.) But this displays an amazing lack of empathy. Can you imagine what it would be like to become a celebrity overnight? No. What gives you the right to evaluate their mental well-being? Why are you allowed to tell them how to feel?

"What mob? The mob of teenage girls who make completely idle death threats? I wouldn't take this too seriously."

"but it's not a real mob though. No one is actually gonna kill this guy."

A threat sent to former Call of Duty developer Robert Bowling.
A threat sent to former Call of Duty developer Robert Bowling.

It's hard to take this tweet seriously. What, mind you, is an idle death threat? That such a damningly vague phrase even exists is evidence itself that we've allowed discourse on the Internet to reach a point where we're supposed to be emotionally, mentally, and physically okay with death threats. If someone writes a death threat in a letter or in-person, that individual may be arrested by the police. At the very least, there are consequences. If someone writes a death threat over a social networking service, it's an "idle threat."

Words are powerful, and people should be responsible for them. When we characterize threats as "idle," we remove the individual from the equation. It's victim blaming. It's hard to imagine how Nguyen is to blame here.

When the Internet turns on you, it's hard to describe the emotional rollercoaster that goes along with it. You can't exactly walk away from the Internet forever. While looking at a long list of abuse Tweets directed at Nguyen, it's easy to distance yourself from it because, hey, it's not you. But I've been on the other side of that equation, albeit not to the same scale as Nguyen. When someone directs a threat of violence at you, it feels very personal. Every single one of them. When someone photoshops my wife into a photo to try and unsettle me, it feels very god damn personal. You cannot distance yourself from attacks that are directed at you, and to suggest otherwise only underscores one's lack of experience with the subject. You need a thick skin to survive as a public figure on the Internet, but that doesn't mean there aren't chinks in your armor. And as Jim Sterling mentioned on this week's morning show, it doesn't mean there isn't skin underneath. That skin can get raw.

We lack empathy on the Internet. There are people behind every game, every username, every Twitter account.

"what is the discussion at hand here? Should we be allowed to insult and/or threat people via the internet?"

Insult? Yes. Threaten? No. That is not protected speech. Learn how to construct a real argument.

"It's not that bad. I see worse shit in an average game of Dota."

This, unfortunately, rings true. It wouldn't surprise me if, statistically, the gaming audience was found to be more prone to this type of vitriolic commentary than other communities. The hardcore gaming demographic skews young. I'm afraid to imagine what kind of stupid things I might have said on today's Internet when I was 14-years-old. Many games, especially those online, are competitive, and adrenaline can bring out the worst in us.

But none of these are excuses for such poor behavior, and merely pointing out the problem doesn't solve it, either. A combination of legal, technological, and societal changes are needed to make the Internet a safer place, especially for critical, dissenting voices. You shouldn't have to put up with death threats on the Internet, and individuals shouldn't be allowed to get away with them without a reciprocal impact. This article won't change that, but the next time a situation like this flares up, you don't have to contribute to the problem, either.

Don't be silent. Speak up for targets of harassment. They're victims, after all.

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If you're interested in reading more about Flappy Bird (there's lots to digest), here are some terrific pieces:

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Here's an interesting idea, when we see something like this happening on twitter, why doesn't everyone just click the "Report for spam" button and get that persons account suspended/deleted? Any idea how devastating that would be to the average twitter user who bases their self worth on how many followers they have?

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@nl_skipper: Maybe I wasnt being clear. There has never been a time in history where the majority of people weren't shit. We can teach people what good and bad means, but we can't teach someone morals or values. We can't teach someone how to think.

Are you saying there have never been cultural revolutions? that we should never attempt them? That being a shitty person is okay because most people are shitty people too? Again your attitude is poor, though it could be changed!

I never said any of those things. Cultural revolution is much smaller than the entire ability to understand why we should be good people. Many people are stuck with the early logic that they should be good so they don't get punished. The world should be taught the way Roseau had envisioned, but it is not practical, for most people only see life as how much money they can get before they die. If you are not pessimistic for mankind I do not think you have thought enough about the world.

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@mr_otas said:
@yutt said:

Has anyone ever considered the fact that these people making threats to others, like most real world criminals, may very well be mentally ill themselves? Patrick so kindly left their names up for public shaming.

I have to agree with this.

@patrickklepek: First I want to thank you for a clearly thought-provoking article (this comment section, and @rorie's sweaty palms is a testimony to this). But I think that you really should try and hide the names of those twitter users in the image of this article. I don't see how knowing their identity would be relevant to anyone of your readers.

Not to be confrontational or anything, but if their tweets are public to begin with, what's the difference? Anyone can see them, and easily, whether or not they're published in an article. If the messages were originally private, that would be a whole other can of worms.

And I think someone else said this, but having a mental illness does not make death threats acceptable. Patrick pointing out that they are telling people to kill themselves is not on the same level as someone actually telling someone to kill themselves. I don't think that he wanted to shame anyone by calling out actions he disagreed with. However, if there were no examples of what the article was about, the whole thing would be a moot point.

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I can't wait to live in a Utopian future where the INP (Internet Niceness Police) show up, beat you with a rubber hose and send you off to a camp where your "wrong thinking" can be corrected.

Or maybe whenever a braindead teen types the words OMFG KILL URSELF NOOB there can be a program that "auto-corrects" it to WHAT LOVELY WEATHER WE'RE HAVING.

It's going to be great!

*sarcasm detected. violation 83B. INP correctional squad en route*

I'm offended. Somebody do something.

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I can't wait to live in a Utopian future where the INP (Internet Niceness Police) show up, beat you with a rubber hose and send you off to a camp where your "wrong thinking" can be corrected.

Or maybe whenever a braindead teen types the words OMFG KILL URSELF NOOB there can be a program that "auto-corrects" it to WHAT LOVELY WEATHER WE'RE HAVING.

It's going to be great!

*sarcasm detected. violation 83B. INP correctional squad en route*

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@zombieslayingin3d: Are you saying there have never been cultural revolutions? that we should never attempt them? That being a shitty person is okay because most people are shitty people too? Again your attitude is poor, though it could be changed!

What the consensus I'm reading here scares me even more.

Government control / registration so people act nice on the internet. Really? This is where we're at? That seems like an incredibly bad idea.

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Girls are scary.

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It's hard to take this tweet seriously. What, mind you, is an idle death threat? That such a damningly vague phrase even exists is evidence itself that we've allowed discourse on the Internet to reach a point where we're supposed to be emotionally, mentally, and physically okay with death threats. If someone writes a death threat in a letter or in-person, that individual may be arrested by the police. At the very least, there are consequences. If someone writes a death threat over a social networking service, it's an "idle threat."

Dude "discourse" like this has been on the web since forever, and been in everyday speech since forever. "I'm gonna kill you!" is a pretty ordinary hollow threat that one kid might shout at another for breaking his shit.

If you get a threat in the mail it means someone went to the trouble to find your home address, so knows where you live, and spent time writing and mailing a letter. Writing a furious tweet can be done in a moment of blind rage, writing a letter takes consideration and that's what makes it a credible threat.

You shouldn't have to put up with death threats on the Internet, and individuals shouldn't be allowed to get away with them without a reciprocal impact. This article won't change that, but the next time a situation like this flares up, you don't have to contribute to the problem, either.

Hey man, life sucks. I'd never contribute to the problem because I'm not 14 any more, and I doubt anyone else who arrived at this paternal admonishment would either.

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@zombieslayingin3d: Are you saying there have never been cultural revolutions? that we should never attempt them? That being a shitty person is okay because most people are shitty people too? Again your attitude is poor, though it could be changed!

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@kerned said:

@thesoutherndandy said:

@kerned: It doesn't matter if they stand by their tweets or not. Obviously those people aren't going to kill the developer. The issue is that they feel totally comfortable saying vile garbage like that. Also, as dumb as Patricks tweet was (which, again, he apologized for) it wasn't directed at anybody, it was towards a nebulous 'they'. These people are very deliberately aiming their crap at Nguyen. There's a pretty distinct difference, regardless of if it's meant seriously or not.

It doesn't matter if those people stand by their tweets, but Patrick's is totally okay because he apologized for his. You don't see that as a double standard? Neither is okay.

Except it's not a double standard. It would be a double standard if Patrick was still acting that way. The fact is, people slip up. People make mistakes. If they apologize, and (and this is the important part) back up that apology with actions, you don't continually hold what they did against them. A persons past mistake does not invalidate future actions.

Again you continue to ignore the point and also my previous comment as to what the difference between Tricks tweet and the tweets in the article. I mean, I can pretty much just copy and paste my last comment as to why they're not the same.

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@5figh said:

@marokai said:

The internet is a culture of anonymity, but it's also a culture of hyperbole, perpetuated by damn near everyone, including this site and its peers. That hyperbole combines with the anonymity to create prime conditions for drive-by abuse. Everything is the worst thing in the world. Everyone you disagree with should go die in a fire. Everything's "omg it's incredible."

Yeah I agree with the sentiment of the article but I also agree with this. You only have to listen to one episode of the bombcast to realise that discussion nowadays has been influenced by the internet to just be constantly fucking on,whether the people involved really think that way or not. I'm not trying to equate Jeff Gertzmann talking shit about something to a lone dude receiving endless death threats, obviously. But I do think they come from the same place.

Who knows though, maybe I'm just a weak tit who cant handle that shit.

And I feel like as soon as people get on their soapboxes preaching about the awfulness of "The Internet" they get the conversation off on a horrible start, because that is hyperbole. That is generalizing. That is painting people who agree with you as someone bad. It's such a ridiculous overstatement. "The Internet" is not an awful place. These few people on twitter saying something shitty are still just a few people on the internet saying something shitty. Even if they are thousands of people, they are still a tiny percentage of all of us.

I'm tired of hearing about how this is all an awful place, how it's so rotten to the core and only some nanny-ish intervention can save it. It is not that bad out here. That kind of attitude is such a cable news level of overly paranoid freak-out. It's the equivalent of "is your child on drugs?!" and daily 6 O'Clock news reports about murders near your street. It's too easy to not be able to see the forest because of all those irritating trees, but back away from it from time to time, don't get so close to everything, don't feel like every controversy is your controversy to be a part of, and you'll realize that the internet is so much better now than it was ten, fifteen, twenty years ago. It's just much bigger, and so you hear about more of it.

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I really enjoyed this article, Patrick. Thank you.

I find it interesting how there is this sort of separation between the Internet and "real life." As if the Internet is this whole other realm where everyone can disassociate from their "true" self. It's weird.

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@pepipopa: You clearly have no idea what an apology means.

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@kerned: I'm not sure. My feeling is that if you say something like that, in a public forum, I've got no problem with people posting a screen grab. If you don't want that to happen, either remove it or better yet, don't post it. But to be safe I have no problem with removing the Twitter handle becaue it adds nothing, the text is enough.

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@nl_skipper: Yeah sure, change international culture as we know it. While I agree, this will never happen.

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@zeekthegeek: No, I don't see any irony in considering the mental state of someone capable of making such serious threats. Why would that be ironic? It is simply realistic.

I feel like most of you must have absolutely no idea what people who are underprivileged, undereducated, senile, or mentally ill are like.

What you call "empathy" is wishing everyone shared your cultural values. You want the Internet to be limited to middle upper class, educated, first-world people like yourselves. You imagine all of the hateful people on the Internet probably had lives just like yours, they just chose to be hateful.

Looking at society at large, and the global access to the Internet, it is unlikely that is the case. Do you guys realize people who literally live in grass huts in Africa have access to the Internet, can have smart phones, and can say things on the Internet? Would you not imagine they might have different social skills, values, and perspective than you? Do you not imagine that someone who threatens to kill someone over a free phone game might be mentally unstable?

We can start a war on people with bipolar disorder, borderline personality disorder, and other social disorders if you want. Keep in mind these are the groups most likely to actually kill themselves with your brilliant "shame campaigns". But, if the thought of little blood on your hands to get the job done doesn't bother you, go ahead.

I'm not even asking you guys to be empathetic, which you are so quick to claim you are, just think about the problem.

You want to fix mean people on the Internet? Okay, lets do this!

  1. Let's make sure all children have access to adequate nutrition, education, and affection.
  2. Mentor trouble children, teens, adults. Adopt one.
  3. Make sure those with mental illness have constant access to help.
  4. Make sure those with substance abuse problems have the resources they need for help.

There we go, some first steps to making people nicer. Keep in mind, these are just the easy first-world problems. Fundamentalists Muslims with no formal education have access to the Internet in Yemen right now. Guerrilla fighters in violent African separatist groups have smartphones.

Wait yutt, these aren't simple short-term solutions! There are incredibly complex, multifaceted issues that could individually take centuries to reach any sort of notable progress on! I just want to have an Internet czar who tells people not to say things I find disagreeable or unpleasant.

That's fine, but you need to be honest about what you stand for and what your goals are.

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@atwa said:

People have always been horrible.

As much as this gets said when these issues arise, I still think it's a lazy dismissal of the discussion. Do you truly think that every one of the thousands of people who issued these vulgar threats is morally rotten? My bet is that were you to sit down face-to-face and have a conversation with virtually any of them, be they a teen or in their thirties, they'd at the very least be pleasant. You'd likely have a couple subjects of mutual interest to talk over, and whether or not you found their personality disconcerting or their viewpoints lame, you could make an effort to part on even terms.

So, then, if you can understand that these people are much like yourself (and I doubt you're very corrupt), you can understand that the trouble arises from a change in medium of communication. You mentioned the threats to Lennon by mail. Mail predates the internet as a faceless and frequently nameless medium, where it's not immediately apparent what sort of messaging any one person is receiving. Thus, I believe it's a logical conclusion that what's at fault is not just an attacker's anonymity, but their emotional inability to equate faceless entities with human victims.

How do we solve this, then? There's one step I think anyone with a computer/smartphone/wi-fi refrigerator/whatever can take, and another that needs more time and concerted effort. The first is raising awareness (as Patrick is doing with this article), which is why I think it's never constructive to say "ignore these people and they'll stop." Even if that were true for the first offender (and it often isn't), one person's abuse doesn't rely upon another's. The second step is early education on responsible internet usage, which requires government to feel the effects of step one, and so likewise I find "everyone knows this already, let it go" to be a totally useless contribution.

Basically, there are solutions. Most of what they depend on is us recognizing and acknowledging the problem.

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@kerned: It doesn't matter if they stand by their tweets or not. Obviously those people aren't going to kill the developer. The issue is that they feel totally comfortable saying vile garbage like that. Also, as dumb as Patricks tweet was (which, again, he apologized for) it wasn't directed at anybody, it was towards a nebulous 'they'. These people are very deliberately aiming their crap at Nguyen. There's a pretty distinct difference, regardless of if it's meant seriously or not.

It doesn't matter if those people stand by their tweets, but Patrick's is totally okay because he apologized for his. You don't see that as a double standard? Neither is okay.

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Thanks for the article, Patrick!

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@mr_otas said:
@yutt said:

Has anyone ever considered the fact that these people making threats to others, like most real world criminals, may very well be mentally ill themselves? Patrick so kindly left their names up for public shaming.

I have to agree with this.

@patrickklepek: First I want to thank you for a clearly thought-provoking article (this comment section, and @rorie's sweaty palms is a testimony to this). But I think that you really should try and hide the names of those twitter users in the image of this article. I don't see how knowing their identity would be relevant to anyone of your readers.

Having a mental illness shouldn't excuse you from threatening someone else. You say something like that, you suffer the consequences, regardless of who you are or what your story is. That's frontier justice.

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@kerned: It doesn't matter if they stand by their tweets or not. Obviously those people aren't going to kill the developer. The issue is that they feel totally comfortable saying vile garbage like that. Also, as dumb as Patricks tweet was (which, again, he apologized for) it wasn't directed at anybody, it was towards a nebulous 'they'. These people are very deliberately aiming their crap at Nguyen. There's a pretty distinct difference, regardless of if it's meant seriously or not.

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@amyggen: The point is that you can find one stupid things that anyone says and use it against them. If Patrick is comfortable quoting those people from Twitter by name and holding up what they said as an example of why they are deserving of public ridicule, without allowing them a public forum to defend themselves (as he, in his position of privilege, has) he deserves no different for himself.

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@zombieslayingin3d said:

...The internet gave the world the power of anonymity. Although you can argue whether it is good or bad, the only way to control this is to remove it. A world where all id monitored and attached to each individuals name is not a world I would like to live in.

Ok so this kind of attitude is a big part of the problem. There is so much middle ground between everyone tossing out threats as though they're candy, and everyone having to be monitored and treated like a criminal. A little common decency would go a long way...

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Thank you Patrick! The more visible the opinion that internet troll culture needs to end can be made, the better.

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I understand people getting outraged and annoyed by companies having horrible policies. However, if you get to the point of wishing, thinking, or threatening physical harm to another person over an entertainment product, you need to step away and get some perspective on life. The same applies to sports- if you really feel the urge to physically hurt someone for cheering for a different team than you, maybe it's time to get a new hobby that's healthier for you.

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I applaud all who decided to write something more than one or two sentences in response to this article. I am reading through some of them and two things amaze me. How well you understand what this is about and how we are all more or less on the same page. That is amazing and credits for mentioning Slavloj Zizek :) I love that guy.

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@kerned: Those people hadn't deleted the comments when Patrick wrote the story, and thus they still stand by them. That's it. If you did it in the heat of the moment and don't stand behind the tweet anymore, delete it. If not, sorry. Also, if you make direct death threats the law generally do not care if you "stand behind" them after the fact.

And my point was more about Patrick here, and people still using that single tweet to discredit him from ever making stories about this again. It's sad, because these are not people who care about Patrick's credibility, they just don't want him to write these kinds of stories.

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We need less articles detailing people being mean on the internet.

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@kerned said:

Remember when Patrick told people who use AdBlock that they should "die in a fire?" Good times. I'm not in any way defending the despicable vitriol that has been directed towards the developer of Flappy Bird, but I sure have a hard time taking Patrick seriously on this matter.

Yep, I also remember when he apologized for it, something you conveniently forgot to mention.

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Every.Single.Time.

Why do I start reading the comments, every single time? Never, ever, ever have I said afterwards "Man, I'm so glad I read those comments. Lots of insightful discussion. I feel better now". Urgh.

"Oh, he made money with a product I don't like, therefore he lost his right to complain about people sending him death threats". Urgh. BAH

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@kalnet101: I don't actually think they're those kind of people though. People don't realize what their words mean when they are behind a screen and a keyboard, I'm guilty of it myself. It would surprise me if nobody said something dumb and/or hateful on twitter, facebook, youtube, or any other site that allows you to comment on something. Even Patrick is guilty of it, which really speaks to his own point. It really has become a problem, and it needs to change.

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Thanks for writing this, Patrick.

For as much as the internet connects us to each other, those connections are generally weak, virtual ones. I suspect the verbal aggression is worse among gamers in this case, since we're used to acting aggressively towards entities with which we have weak, virtual attachments.

There is certainly no serious debate in social psychology about the fact that consumption of violent media contributes to aggressive behavior, both immediate and long-term. That doesn't mean that playing a game will make someone kill somebody, or that we can't enjoy violent media- I love violent media but have never killed or tortured anyone- but it very clearly contributes to aggression.

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@kerned: Nice job not contributing to either side of the argument in any way while also entirely missing the point. It's almost impressive.

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Its funny how an article about internet anger brings out as much RAGE as the actual (usually stupid) things that get people all angry in the first place. That says a lot.

Also, this attitude of Well Its the Interwebs..what do you expect doesn't help either. It just enables the bad behavior.

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PUT FLAMPY BIRDS BACK UP OR I WILL POOP MY JEAN SHORTS

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@yutt said:

Has anyone ever considered the fact that these people making threats to others, like most real world criminals, may very well be mentally ill themselves? Patrick so kindly left their names up for public shaming.

I have to agree with this.

@patrickklepek: First I want to thank you for a clearly thought-provoking article (this comment section, and @rorie's sweaty palms is a testimony to this). But I think that you really should try and hide the names of those twitter users in the image of this article. I don't see how knowing their identity would be relevant to anyone of your readers.

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For 50k a day I would endure a real, personal, none internet, ever looming threat of death. But yeah the internet is a shitty place.

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LOTS of people are coming out to immediately attack any ideas that stink of censorship. That s definitely cool and I agree with it. I really have to add though that the internet has been NEITHER free NOR anonymous for quite some time if ever.

I would like to promote the concept that but that s the internet not IRL is no longer valid in 2014. The internet IS real life. If I am talking to you via text here or on mumble I am talking to a real person not words on a screen. Feeling like there s an OBVIOUS disconnect between the people you talk to physically vs. those you communicate with via the internet thousands of miles away seems a little on the shortsighted side to me.

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@amyggen: Is he polling all the people whose Tweets he quoted in his story to see if they stand behind those tweets? Probably not. It's okay if he makes a mistake and is overcome by emotion, he's just one guy. No big deal.

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Oh Patrick, why concern yourself so much with the hate others express on the internet? You should be concerned with the well being of whom these threats are addressed. The internet gave the world the power of anonymity. Although you can argue whether it is good or bad, the only way to control this is to remove it. A world where all id monitored and attached to each individuals name is not a world I would like to live in.

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@yutt:

Do you not see the irony of this argument you've made? That you care more about the aggressors potentially feeling bad than you do about the people being harassed? You jump to the defense of people who are going out of the way to make other people suffer.

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@kerned: Oh please. He said he was sorry for that. One such comment doesn't make what he says invalid. It would if he stood by the comment, but he doesn't. People who bring that up in here when they know what I just said just do it to discredit him, nothing more nothing les.

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@marokai said:

The internet is a culture of anonymity, but it's also a culture of hyperbole, perpetuated by damn near everyone, including this site and its peers. That hyperbole combines with the anonymity to create prime conditions for drive-by abuse. Everything is the worst thing in the world. Everyone you disagree with should go die in a fire. Everything's "omg it's incredible."

Yeah I agree with the sentiment of the article but I also agree with this. You only have to listen to one episode of the bombcast to realise that discussion nowadays has been influenced by the internet to just be constantly fucking on,whether the people involved really think that way or not. I'm not trying to equate Jeff Gertzmann talking shit about something to a lone dude receiving endless death threats, obviously. But I do think they come from the same place.

Who knows though, maybe I'm just a weak tit who cant handle that shit.

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@blupotato: Completely agree. However, as long as humanity exists there will always be cultural norms and what is considered "culturally acceptable". For instance, I was on the Portland (Oregon) mass transit train recently, and some guy was spouting off expletives for what-seemed-like minutes on the ride from downtown to the airport. Everyone was looking at him as if he were a psychopath. That is "culturally unacceptable". People, i.e. people that Patrick mentioned, who spout off on the internet with death threats or homophobic invectives and the like should be considered "culturally unacceptable" as that is not considered "normal" behavior for our society. Ultimately, why should Patrick (or any indie developer) have to endure these hateful comments? Should they have to adjust their lives to accommodate anyone's immature or entitled behavior? I say no. Why does that person's right to spew venom override the recipient's right to feel safe or not accosted while doing their job?

In some ways, it's surprising how some people scream "Freedom!" on a post such as this when it only applies to their ability to be a douche to say whatever they want without possible recourse on their victim(s). That is a sign of perpetual immaturity.

As far as Patrick is concerned, please continue to investigate/comment on these issues facing the gaming community, prosecute (as best you can) those people who threaten you and your family, and consider me a yearly subscriber to GiantBomb. I have followed the alum since their days at GameSpot and X-Play, and am glad to see they are doing well in their efforts since then.

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The fact that @patrickklepek even has to put this into an article is depressing to me, because as far as I'm concerned everything he says should be common sense. The inevitable vitriolic comment explosion from people who get all angry and frustrated that this is on the site accomplish nothing but to further prove Patrick's point - that you can't have a "dissenting" opinion about ANYTHING online without getting personally threatened and torn to shreds, and that's the way it should be apparently.

Scoops is right about the need for change, because this "us versus them" mentality is programmed into everyone from a very young age, across a huge range of media, and especially when it comes to videogames.

Brand loyalty encourages the clan-like behaviour that breeds this kind of thinking - this weird desire to fiercely defend giant billion-dollar corporations because they make the black box that you bought (or was bought for you) and tucked into your entertainment unit. Look at all the recent shit-slinging between fans of Sony / Microsoft over the new consoles. It's no different from Sega fans decades ago drawing pictures of Sonic ripping Mario's head off in primary school playgrounds to make Nintendo fans cry.

When you're in this polarising frame of mind, anything will set you off. Review scores can do nothing but confirm your bias or send you down the warpath. Indie devs who get media coverage on your precious website for a game that you're not interested in become assholes and a blight on the industry. And anyone who doesn't fit into your definition of how this all works is deserving of all the shit that comes their way, right?

...sigh...

Why is it so hard for us to be empathetic towards other people? Every time we boot up a Skyrim or a Papers Please or even a Call of Duty, we are stepping into the shoes of characters with a point of view - one that may not be our own. Whether that viewpoint is agreeable or controversial, expertly written or a blank canvas, episodic or impressionistic, gamers are constantly fulfilling the wills of others, because to not do so would be to stop playing or break the very world we're playing in. Gamers should be masters of empathy, but evidently we aren't, and that really bums me out.

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@likeassur: "Good job bringing this to light, Patrick. I wish more websites did this, but they won't."

IGN already did.